LZeitgeist
Sr Member
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Thanks, very much. ::smile::
Thanks, very much. ::smile::
Braveheart sword
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Wakal
Sr Member
I used to live in Italy, not far from Fulvio Del Tin's workshop. He told me, for what that is worth, that he did the blades on the live steel swords. He was more evasive when I asked him about the furniture, but he still makes (IMO) the best of the Braveheart blades.
I, of course, had to order one.
http://www.dreadnaught-industries.com/imag...room_june04.JPG
Alex
I, of course, had to order one.
http://www.dreadnaught-industries.com/imag...room_june04.JPG
Alex
JunkSabers1138
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(LZeitgeist @ Jul 9 2006, 10:36 AM) [snapback]1277223[/snapback]</div>
Are you sure that's a Del Tin movie sword? I really doesn't look like the movie sword in terms of the look of the leather (smooth side out and not fuzzy side out like the film), the skinny handgrip (rather than that thicker grip that widens at the cross gaurd as seen in the film), the very thin crossgaurd (I remember the film version as being thicker), the long ricasso leather (The film version has a slightly shorter ricasso), and the third grip ring on the handle (not evident on the film version). The huge 60"-61" size is accurate to the film as I remember the sword being HUGE in that film. You said it was unused. Was it a discarded design? Did they like the sword with the features I described above better than the one you have? I'm not doubting your sources, it just doesn't look totally screen accurate to me.
Great display by the way.
The overall length is a bit over 60" - hard to tell to the perfect measurement because the tape measure won't stand up straight enough long enough to get an exact length, but I'd say it's 61". The width of the crossguard is right at about 12".
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Are you sure that's a Del Tin movie sword? I really doesn't look like the movie sword in terms of the look of the leather (smooth side out and not fuzzy side out like the film), the skinny handgrip (rather than that thicker grip that widens at the cross gaurd as seen in the film), the very thin crossgaurd (I remember the film version as being thicker), the long ricasso leather (The film version has a slightly shorter ricasso), and the third grip ring on the handle (not evident on the film version). The huge 60"-61" size is accurate to the film as I remember the sword being HUGE in that film. You said it was unused. Was it a discarded design? Did they like the sword with the features I described above better than the one you have? I'm not doubting your sources, it just doesn't look totally screen accurate to me.
Great display by the way.
JunkSabers1138
Sr Member
Update. I just saw in my pic collection of the Braveheart sword a poster with a sword that looks similar (yet missing that third hilt grip ring) to the one LZeitgeist posted. Did they have multiple swords for multiple tasks and functions (i.e. promtional shoots, posters, hero sword, fighting sword, special FX sword, etc. etc.)? And LZeitgeist, I'm sorry for doubting you on your claim that your sword is a Del Tin/Movie sword. It just didn't look right until now.
sithmasterjedi
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the pics, great display LZeitgeist.
LZeitgeist
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(JunkSabers1138 @ Jul 9 2006, 07:35 PM) [snapback]1277503[/snapback]</div>
My sword contacts go a *long* way back.
<div class='quotetop'>(sithmasterjedi @ Jul 9 2006, 09:02 PM) [snapback]1277557[/snapback]</div>
Glad to share - thanks for the compliments.
No worries - I know for a fact that the source for this sword is absolutely 100% unquestionable, but you don't know that, so I understand. No hard feelings.
My sword contacts go a *long* way back.
<div class='quotetop'>(sithmasterjedi @ Jul 9 2006, 09:02 PM) [snapback]1277557[/snapback]</div>
Glad to share - thanks for the compliments.
JunkSabers1138
Sr Member
But did yours ever appear on screen or any other material? It could've been another design that was discarded for the one seen in the film (with all the features I described) Or is it a custom Del Tin made to your specifications?
LZeitgeist
Sr Member
PM sent.
JunkSabers1138
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(LZeitgeist @ Jul 9 2006, 10:04 PM) [snapback]1277644[/snapback]</div>
Thank you.
BTW, would you please tell us what the other swords surrounding this thing are? The gold hilted sword to the right (your left) of the Braveheart sword looks like an old drawing of Narsil/Anduril I saw a few months ago. It even had the symbols down the fuller like your sword has. Am I correct on this?
Thank you.
BTW, would you please tell us what the other swords surrounding this thing are? The gold hilted sword to the right (your left) of the Braveheart sword looks like an old drawing of Narsil/Anduril I saw a few months ago. It even had the symbols down the fuller like your sword has. Am I correct on this?
JunkSabers1138
Sr Member
My mistake, I was thinking of this
The sword that was broken
However, your sword does look like the Hildebrant Bros. rendition of the Gondorian soldiers' sword. That may explain its small size when compared to the Narsil/Anduril sized Wallace/Braveheart sword.
The sword that was broken
However, your sword does look like the Hildebrant Bros. rendition of the Gondorian soldiers' sword. That may explain its small size when compared to the Narsil/Anduril sized Wallace/Braveheart sword.
LZeitgeist
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(JunkSabers1138 @ Jul 10 2006, 10:09 PM) [snapback]1278353[/snapback]</div>
The other swords are (more or less) from episodes of 'Highlander: the TV Series'.
Starting from the left - a Marto 'Christopher Columbus 500th Anniversary' Commemorative rapier, one of 500 ever made in 1992 -- next, a Marto katana -- next, just to the left of the Wallace, a Marto 'El Cid' Tizona -- to the right of the Wallace, Marto/Martespa's version (really an homage to) the MacLeod claymore as seen in the first Highlander film -- then Marto's 'Alexander the Great' swordsword -- and finally, a Marto cavalry sabre.
The other swords are (more or less) from episodes of 'Highlander: the TV Series'.
Starting from the left - a Marto 'Christopher Columbus 500th Anniversary' Commemorative rapier, one of 500 ever made in 1992 -- next, a Marto katana -- next, just to the left of the Wallace, a Marto 'El Cid' Tizona -- to the right of the Wallace, Marto/Martespa's version (really an homage to) the MacLeod claymore as seen in the first Highlander film -- then Marto's 'Alexander the Great' swordsword -- and finally, a Marto cavalry sabre.
JunkSabers1138
Sr Member
Do you think that someone got hold of another extra sword that had all the innacuracies seen in most ebay swords (SKINNY handgrip, smooth leather side out, ricasso too long, wrong cross gaurd shape, wrong pommel shape, etc.) and showed it to most of the cheapo sword makers so they could use it as a reference to make their abominations of this awesome weapon?
Just my 2 cents .
Just my 2 cents .
JunkSabers1138
Sr Member
Wakal, is your Del Tin sword a custom made sword? I seems to be smaller than LZeitgeist's sword as well as having that strange third grip ring. The ricasso's length looks right to me.
P.S.-- Would anyone do me a favor and email me any pics you have or can find of the original Wallace sword, as well of the movie sword or any of the inaccurate replicas, or even pics of your own? I've tried to find some good pics of the original but they are mostly shots taken from far away so that the sword is but a tiny object in the frame so you can't really see it at all. I want the pics because I'm going to be writing an in depth discussion as well as collect a gallery of pics (not online) about the two swords and their differences for my friends (who don't know squat about swords and especially don't know about these swords) because they asked it of me as a favor. And they said to "Include all the photo reference you can find" They also want the photos of ebay replicas, as well as seller names, so they (and even myself) can pick which one looks best to them and buy it as their first replica sword.
Any help would be appreciated an thank you all in advance.
JS1138
P.S.-- Would anyone do me a favor and email me any pics you have or can find of the original Wallace sword, as well of the movie sword or any of the inaccurate replicas, or even pics of your own? I've tried to find some good pics of the original but they are mostly shots taken from far away so that the sword is but a tiny object in the frame so you can't really see it at all. I want the pics because I'm going to be writing an in depth discussion as well as collect a gallery of pics (not online) about the two swords and their differences for my friends (who don't know squat about swords and especially don't know about these swords) because they asked it of me as a favor. And they said to "Include all the photo reference you can find" They also want the photos of ebay replicas, as well as seller names, so they (and even myself) can pick which one looks best to them and buy it as their first replica sword.
Any help would be appreciated an thank you all in advance.
JS1138
Wakal
Sr Member
That is just a factory DT in my picture. Ordered with dark brown leather, because the first one I bought (through MRL, back before they became All Indian All The Time) had really light leather (bleah).
Just watching the hero swords, I think there are at least three varients that a guy can clearly see on camera. Stunt swords galore, though.
Alex
Just watching the hero swords, I think there are at least three varients that a guy can clearly see on camera. Stunt swords galore, though.
Alex
JunkSabers1138
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Wakal @ Jul 11 2006, 01:31 PM) [snapback]1278731[/snapback]</div>
Well, I don't want my sword leather too dark, but not too light either.
As for the variations, do you have any screencaps of what your talking about?
Thanks in advance.
Seth
Well, I don't want my sword leather too dark, but not too light either.
As for the variations, do you have any screencaps of what your talking about?
Thanks in advance.
Seth
Wakal
Sr Member
I didn't bring all my movies over here, sorry, so no screen caps from this side (sigh).
And I wish I had better pictures so you could see the rather striking differences between my incontrovertably (since I bought it from his little hands myself ) Del Tin sword and LZeitgeist's Hero blade. The washer type fitting on the pommel (where my tang is just peaned over the pommel itself) and the contours of the crossguard, for two. The DT is a bit...fatter...and rounded.
Oddly enough, that is one of the few things that the Windlass (MRL) version gets right. Even a blind hog... :lol
Here is another, euqally worthless, shot of my DT:
http://www.dreadnaught-industries.com/imag...ovie_blades.JPG
One thing to keep in mind is that Mel is SHORT. Not quite Tom Cruise midget short, but about Sly Stallone short. I'm 6'3" and the Braveheart sword looks quite out of proportion with me compared to Mel.
Alex
And I wish I had better pictures so you could see the rather striking differences between my incontrovertably (since I bought it from his little hands myself
) Del Tin sword and LZeitgeist's Hero blade. The washer type fitting on the pommel (where my tang is just peaned over the pommel itself) and the contours of the crossguard, for two. The DT is a bit...fatter...and rounded.Oddly enough, that is one of the few things that the Windlass (MRL) version gets right. Even a blind hog... :lol
Here is another, euqally worthless, shot of my DT:
http://www.dreadnaught-industries.com/imag...ovie_blades.JPG
One thing to keep in mind is that Mel is SHORT. Not quite Tom Cruise midget short, but about Sly Stallone short. I'm 6'3" and the Braveheart sword looks quite out of proportion with me compared to Mel.
Alex
JunkSabers1138
Sr Member
"Fatter and Rounded"
What do you mean? The crossgaurd?
Thanks for the other pic.
What do you mean? The crossgaurd?
Thanks for the other pic.
JunkSabers1138
Sr Member
Okay, having now bought the DVD instead of renting it and never having time to watch it, I now have some new understanding of this sword's details. You are free to correct me on anything I get wrong. This is just what I see when I watch the film.
Pommel:
1. Has that nut and washer assembly at the end. Not seen on most replicas, even the DT.
2. Seems to have a flat finish rather than the SHINY plated look on most replicas.
3. Shape and notches differ from most replicas.
Handgrip:
1. Is a little shorter than most replicas.
2. Has a baseball bat's upper portion shape rather than a thin skinny rod shape apparent in most replicas.
3. Leather is dark brown and is smooth side out (Sorry for assuming fuzzy side out ONLY all this time. But I swear I've seen an official BH sword with fuzzy leather.).
4. Handgrip is rounded/oval shaped in some models and on others it is rounded on the sides and flat on the front and back.
5. Has ONLY the two front grip rings on all screen used models, and the rings are thinner than most replicas.
Crossguard:
1. Width varies between different props, but averages a little wider than most replicas.
2. Stunt swords have wider crossguards for safety reasons.
3. Like the pommel, it has a flat finish look and is NOT plated.
4. Is relatively square shaped with two little notches on each end, unlike most replicas that sport either the round ball shape tips or the clover shaped tips like other claymores.
Ricasso:
1. Length varies between props but averages MUCH shorter than most replicas. The shortest ricasso sword is featured most (most prominently at the end when it is in the dirt after Hammish throws it. My favorite music in the film BTW.) and is the choice length for the DT.
2. The ricasso is usually shorter than the handgrip in the film, not longer like on most cheapos.
3. Like the handgrip, the leather is dark and smooth.
4. Stunt swords have the longest ricassos for ease of handling in the fight sequences.
5. Grip ring varies in thickness between variations but seems to be thicker than the handgrip rings and seems flat, not rounded like most replicas.
6. Doesn't seem to be attatched really well (As seen in one of the battles in that eyesore of a shot. How is this thing attatched to the sword in the first place?)
Blade:
1. Varies in length throughout the film, but is mostly shown as VERY LONG (60"+ like LZ's sword and the A&A replica).
2. Has either an entirely flat cross section or a flatened diamond cross section depending on the variation. Most replicas choose the diamond shape but inaccurately show it off more prominently.
3. Stunt swords have shorter blades for easier handling in the fight scenes.
4. The shorter blade, long ricasso look for the stunt swords may have been the inspiration for the cheapos on eBay and other sites.
That's all I have to say about that. Feel free to correct me with reasonable evidence if I'm wrong.
Pommel:
1. Has that nut and washer assembly at the end. Not seen on most replicas, even the DT.
2. Seems to have a flat finish rather than the SHINY plated look on most replicas.
3. Shape and notches differ from most replicas.
Handgrip:
1. Is a little shorter than most replicas.
2. Has a baseball bat's upper portion shape rather than a thin skinny rod shape apparent in most replicas.
3. Leather is dark brown and is smooth side out (Sorry for assuming fuzzy side out ONLY all this time. But I swear I've seen an official BH sword with fuzzy leather.).
4. Handgrip is rounded/oval shaped in some models and on others it is rounded on the sides and flat on the front and back.
5. Has ONLY the two front grip rings on all screen used models, and the rings are thinner than most replicas.
Crossguard:
1. Width varies between different props, but averages a little wider than most replicas.
2. Stunt swords have wider crossguards for safety reasons.
3. Like the pommel, it has a flat finish look and is NOT plated.
4. Is relatively square shaped with two little notches on each end, unlike most replicas that sport either the round ball shape tips or the clover shaped tips like other claymores.
Ricasso:
1. Length varies between props but averages MUCH shorter than most replicas. The shortest ricasso sword is featured most (most prominently at the end when it is in the dirt after Hammish throws it. My favorite music in the film BTW.) and is the choice length for the DT.
2. The ricasso is usually shorter than the handgrip in the film, not longer like on most cheapos.
3. Like the handgrip, the leather is dark and smooth.
4. Stunt swords have the longest ricassos for ease of handling in the fight sequences.
5. Grip ring varies in thickness between variations but seems to be thicker than the handgrip rings and seems flat, not rounded like most replicas.
6. Doesn't seem to be attatched really well (As seen in one of the battles in that eyesore of a shot. How is this thing attatched to the sword in the first place?)
Blade:
1. Varies in length throughout the film, but is mostly shown as VERY LONG (60"+ like LZ's sword and the A&A replica).
2. Has either an entirely flat cross section or a flatened diamond cross section depending on the variation. Most replicas choose the diamond shape but inaccurately show it off more prominently.
3. Stunt swords have shorter blades for easier handling in the fight scenes.
4. The shorter blade, long ricasso look for the stunt swords may have been the inspiration for the cheapos on eBay and other sites.
That's all I have to say about that. Feel free to correct me with reasonable evidence if I'm wrong.
JunkSabers1138
Sr Member
Is THIS what the basic, uncustomised 5154 looks like?.?.?.
Ebay 5154
Doesn't look screen accurate to me.
Or is this a totally custom made sword to the buyers specifications (certainly doesn't care for accuracy, does he )?
It's just this is the first time I've seen a good 5154 pic that wasn't a catalouge pic and I'm suprised how inaccurate it is compared to the movie sword.
Wakal's looks pretty good being specific about what he wanted in it when comapred to this one (they both have that third grip ring though)
Ebay 5154
Doesn't look screen accurate to me.
Or is this a totally custom made sword to the buyers specifications (certainly doesn't care for accuracy, does he
)?It's just this is the first time I've seen a good 5154 pic that wasn't a catalouge pic and I'm suprised how inaccurate it is compared to the movie sword.
Wakal's looks pretty good being specific about what he wanted in it when comapred to this one (they both have that third grip ring though)
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