Braveheart sword

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  1. JunkSabers1138

    JunkSabers1138 Sr Member

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    I've been wanting one of these for a while but all the swords on ebay are either too small, disproportioned, inaccurate details, leather looks awful, and so forth. I found one I wanted to buy but was concerned about how the leather looked and emailed him for info but he sent a discouraging "What you see in the auction is what you get". However, the pic in the auction isn't that impressive when you know it's a doctored up catalouge pic. Has anyone here bought one off ebay before and do you have any pics so that I may compare them to each other? Please include the sellers name so that it will be easier for me to find it on ebay.

    Thank you all in advance.
     
  2. JunkSabers1138

    JunkSabers1138 Sr Member

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    :) :confused Anyone?
     
  3. jddurst

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    I remember seeing some offered a few years back from a few different vendors, but I never took the time to research their accuracy. If you like I can try to find my old cataloguesÂ….
     
  4. JunkSabers1138

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Hero of Canton @ Jul 7 2006, 04:21 PM) [snapback]1276227[/snapback]</div>

    Thank you. How old is that catalog? I bet some of the current sellers aren't in there as well as the old ones not being active today. Try going on ebay and try either "William Wallace sword" or Braveheart sword. I've spotted at least 15 different sellers with at least 10 different designs on ebay alone and that number is tiny compared to other online sellers. I'd like to save up some cash and by a 100% accurate one from Del Tin (the guy who built the sword in the film) himself but these are at least $375-$450 depending on your specifications and I do NOT have that much to throw away on a sword.
     
  5. sithmasterjedi

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    I have one that was made by Marto. It's not perfectlly acurate but I think it looks pretty good. I think I spent around $100, it was a while ago so it might have been less.
     
  6. JunkSabers1138

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    <div class='quotetop'>(sithmasterjedi @ Jul 7 2006, 04:41 PM) [snapback]1276246[/snapback]</div>

    That's a good buy right there. How big is it? Most ebay swords from the movie never exceed 52" (the Del Tin reaches 54"-56" and the Arms and Armor version is 63"). I'd buy Marto since thay made the official one and then cut the clover shaped things off the cross gaurd and make it more accurate. This link has some of the old retailers but the one that I know is still active and the one I truly want is the huge and accurate Del Tin version near the bottom of the screen:

    Here
    Braveheart swords

    The sword in the top pic horrifies me due to that oarnge colored rather plastic looking "leather" I see on so many ebay swords rather than that fuzzy looking leather seen on the film.
     
  7. jddurst

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    <div class='quotetop'>(JunkSabers1138 @ Jul 7 2006, 02:28 PM) [snapback]1276240[/snapback]</div>
    Dude, the Del Tin swords are totally worth it. $400 for one of his swords is anything but throwing it away. Yeah, it's more because he is Italian, not Pakistani or Indian (who knows what kind of conditions THOSE guys work under, or how old the labor is). I have always admired and wanted one of his swords, I just haven't had the excuse to get one. Don't let the color of the leather throw you off if the rest of the weapon is spot-on. Leather can not only by dyed or replaced, but the color may vary form the sword in the photo.
     
  8. JunkSabers1138

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Hero of Canton @ Jul 7 2006, 08:29 PM) [snapback]1276379[/snapback]</div>
    Dude, the Del Tin swords are totally worth it. $400 for one of his swords is anything but throwing it away. Yeah, it's more because he is Italian, not Pakistani or Indian (who knows what kind of conditions THOSE guys work under, or how old the labor is). I have always admired and wanted one of his swords, I just haven't had the excuse to get one. Don't let the color of the leather throw you off if the rest of the weapon is spot-on. Leather can not only by dyed or replaced, but the color may vary form the sword in the photo.
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    When I get the money, I'll be torn between the 54"-56" Del Tin version or the Arms and Armor 63" version. I think the A&A version is more accurate in terms of size because I remember the sword being HUGE in the film, but the Del Tin 5154 with the expanding rounded hilt, straight squared-off cross gaurd, shorter ricasso grip(WAY TOO MANY SWORDS MAKE THIS GRIP TOOOOO LONG. I saw one sword at a huge marketplace in the country that took up half the blade's length...), correct leather color and texture, and overall length does look nice though. The A&A would be a good choice for others on a semi-tight budget, like me, but I'll be patient and get a Del Tin when I'm older. It's hard to earn money as a 15 year old these days :( .

    P.S.-- How can you dye already died leather without ruining it?
     
  9. jddurst

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    <div class='quotetop'>(JunkSabers1138 @ Jul 7 2006, 06:46 PM) [snapback]1276387[/snapback]</div>
    Ah, the $10,000 question. :unsure
    Small pieces are a breeze, large fields need to be sprayed.
    Many coats of a lighter dye are better than few of a dark.
    Sealers can darken and smooth things out.
    Aviod dying suede, that you will ruin.
    I've seen incredible things dont with leather paint, but don't ask me how to use it.
     
  10. sithmasterjedi

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    <div class='quotetop'>(JunkSabers1138 @ Jul 7 2006, 09:48 PM) [snapback]1276253[/snapback]</div>

    That's a good buy right there. How big is it? Most ebay swords from the movie never exceed 52" (the Del Tin reaches 54"-56" and the Arms and Armor version is 63"). I'd buy Marto since thay made the official one and then cut the clover shaped things off the cross gaurd and make it more accurate. This link has some of the old retailers but the one that I know is still active and the one I truly want is the huge and accurate Del Tin version near the bottom of the screen:

    Here
    Braveheart swords

    The sword in the top pic horrifies me due to that oarnge colored rather plastic looking "leather" I see on so many ebay swords rather than that fuzzy looking leather seen on the film.
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    Yea I just measured it. 52"
     
  11. JunkSabers1138

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    <div class='quotetop'>(sithmasterjedi @ Jul 7 2006, 10:39 PM) [snapback]1276436[/snapback]</div>

    That's a good buy right there. How big is it? Most ebay swords from the movie never exceed 52" (the Del Tin reaches 54"-56" and the Arms and Armor version is 63"). I'd buy Marto since thay made the official one and then cut the clover shaped things off the cross gaurd and make it more accurate. This link has some of the old retailers but the one that I know is still active and the one I truly want is the huge and accurate Del Tin version near the bottom of the screen:

    Here
    Braveheart swords

    The sword in the top pic horrifies me due to that oarnge colored rather plastic looking "leather" I see on so many ebay swords rather than that fuzzy looking leather seen on the film.
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    Yea I just measured it. 52"
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    I thought so :unsure . No wonder all the sword copycats make their swords either 52" or shorter.

    <div class='quotetop'>(Hero of Canton @ Jul 7 2006, 10:33 PM) [snapback]1276433[/snapback]</div>
    Ah, the $10,000 question. :unsure
    Small pieces are a breeze, large fields need to be sprayed.
    Many coats of a lighter dye are better than few of a dark.
    Sealers can darken and smooth things out.
    Aviod dying suede, that you will ruin.
    I've seen incredible things dont with leather paint, but don't ask me how to use it.
    [/b][/quote]

    Are the movie sword's grips made out of suede? It certainly looks like it. I could be wrong though.
     
  12. SmilingOtter

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    I'd doubt it, but can't say for sure one way or another. I've only seen the Museum Replicas version.

    It's a shame very few sources exist for replicas of the actual Wallace sword. It's on display in Striling, Scotland, (and yes, it's been refurbished more than once since Sir William was executed.) I got a look at it when on vacation over there, and its obvious the blade had seen a LOT of use.

    There's a good article about it here:
    http://swordforum.com/fall99/sword-of-william-wallace.html
     
  13. JunkSabers1138

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    <div class='quotetop'>(SmilingOtter @ Jul 7 2006, 11:14 PM) [snapback]1276455[/snapback]</div>
    I have heard that although the blade is original on that sword, the hilt has had quite a few makeovers in the past 700 years. And many doubt it is Wallace's sword since he no doubt used many in his lifetime (even the movie has him wielding several different swords and weapons). I want a replica of the "original" wallace sword but they are some of the most expensive swords I've ever seen. Also, how did you feel when you were able to see this legendary sword in person? I've always wanted to go to Scotland to visit this monument as well as uncover some history of my own ancestors. But anyway, I just can't help but get the feeling that people always feel this overpowering sense of awe when they see this sword like Boromir seeing Narsil in person in LOTR FOTR.
     
  14. SmilingOtter

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    I was thoroughly impressed with it. I couldn't help but wonder how many lives were taken using that blade...

    It's not really explained in the movie, but Stirling (the location of the first battle) and Bannockburn (the last battle) are practically in sight of each other. So it's very easy to visit the Wallace Monument, then head right over to the Bannockburn museum (where it's explained that Wallace and his men went into battle most likely dressed much like Robert the Bruce was - maille and plate - rather than kilts and woad.
     
  15. LZeitgeist

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    Del Tin makes the most accurate replica. So much more screen-accurate than the rest that the rest aren't worth the price of recycling as scrap.

    The leather on the sword is smooth side out, not suede side out.

    I have an unused Wallace Claymore that I acquired after the filming of the movie was completed. The Del Tin version is by far the closest to the one that I have, which, given his connection to the film and to the work of Mr. Atherton, makes sense.

    (Edited to protect source.)
     
  16. Montagar

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    <div class='quotetop'>(LZeitgeist @ Jul 9 2006, 10:09 AM) [snapback]1277200[/snapback]</div>
    Any possibility of seeing a pic of the one you have?
     
  17. LZeitgeist

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Montagar @ Jul 9 2006, 11:14 AM) [snapback]1277207[/snapback]</div>
    It's hanging 15' off the floor in my foyer, but I'll see what kind of pics and measurements I can get of it. I currently don't have an extension ladder available to take it down for exact measurements and such.

    Be right back...
     
  18. sithmasterjedi

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    Yea, I'd love to see some pictures of it.
     
  19. LZeitgeist

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    The overall length is a bit over 60" - hard to tell to the perfect measurement because the tape measure won't stand up straight enough long enough to get an exact length, but I'd say it's 61". The width of the crossguard is right at about 12".
     
  20. PHArchivist

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    That's a classy display, Patrick... Nicely done.
     
  21. LZeitgeist

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    <div class='quotetop'>(PHArchivist @ Jul 9 2006, 11:46 AM) [snapback]1277229[/snapback]</div>
    Thanks, very much. ::smile::
     
  22. Wakal

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    I used to live in Italy, not far from Fulvio Del Tin's workshop. He told me, for what that is worth, that he did the blades on the live steel swords. He was more evasive when I asked him about the furniture, but he still makes (IMO) the best of the Braveheart blades.

    I, of course, had to order one.

    http://www.dreadnaught-industries.com/imag...room_june04.JPG






    Alex
     
  23. JunkSabers1138

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    <div class='quotetop'>(LZeitgeist @ Jul 9 2006, 10:36 AM) [snapback]1277223[/snapback]</div>

    Are you sure that's a Del Tin movie sword? I really doesn't look like the movie sword in terms of the look of the leather (smooth side out and not fuzzy side out like the film), the skinny handgrip (rather than that thicker grip that widens at the cross gaurd as seen in the film), the very thin crossgaurd (I remember the film version as being thicker), the long ricasso leather (The film version has a slightly shorter ricasso), and the third grip ring on the handle (not evident on the film version). The huge 60"-61" size is accurate to the film as I remember the sword being HUGE in that film. You said it was unused. Was it a discarded design? Did they like the sword with the features I described above better than the one you have? I'm not doubting your sources, it just doesn't look totally screen accurate to me.

    Great display by the way.
     
  24. JunkSabers1138

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    Update. I just saw in my pic collection of the Braveheart sword a poster with a sword that looks similar (yet missing that third hilt grip ring) to the one LZeitgeist posted. Did they have multiple swords for multiple tasks and functions (i.e. promtional shoots, posters, hero sword, fighting sword, special FX sword, etc. etc.)? And LZeitgeist, I'm sorry for doubting you on your claim that your sword is a Del Tin/Movie sword. It just didn't look right until now.
     
  25. sithmasterjedi

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    Thanks for the pics, great display LZeitgeist.
     
  26. LZeitgeist

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    <div class='quotetop'>(JunkSabers1138 @ Jul 9 2006, 07:35 PM) [snapback]1277503[/snapback]</div>
    No worries - I know for a fact that the source for this sword is absolutely 100% unquestionable, but you don't know that, so I understand. No hard feelings. :)

    My sword contacts go a *long* way back.

    <div class='quotetop'>(sithmasterjedi @ Jul 9 2006, 09:02 PM) [snapback]1277557[/snapback]</div>
    Glad to share - thanks for the compliments.
     
  27. JunkSabers1138

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    But did yours ever appear on screen or any other material? It could've been another design that was discarded for the one seen in the film (with all the features I described) Or is it a custom Del Tin made to your specifications?
     
  28. LZeitgeist

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    PM sent.
     
  29. JunkSabers1138

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    <div class='quotetop'>(LZeitgeist @ Jul 9 2006, 10:04 PM) [snapback]1277644[/snapback]</div>
    Thank you.

    BTW, would you please tell us what the other swords surrounding this thing are? The gold hilted sword to the right (your left) of the Braveheart sword looks like an old drawing of Narsil/Anduril I saw a few months ago. It even had the symbols down the fuller like your sword has. Am I correct on this?
     
  30. JunkSabers1138

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    My mistake, I was thinking of this


    The sword that was broken

    However, your sword does look like the Hildebrant Bros. rendition of the Gondorian soldiers' sword. That may explain its small size when compared to the Narsil/Anduril sized Wallace/Braveheart sword.
     
  31. LZeitgeist

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    <div class='quotetop'>(JunkSabers1138 @ Jul 10 2006, 10:09 PM) [snapback]1278353[/snapback]</div>
    The other swords are (more or less) from episodes of 'Highlander: the TV Series'.

    Starting from the left - a Marto 'Christopher Columbus 500th Anniversary' Commemorative rapier, one of 500 ever made in 1992 -- next, a Marto katana -- next, just to the left of the Wallace, a Marto 'El Cid' Tizona -- to the right of the Wallace, Marto/Martespa's version (really an homage to) the MacLeod claymore as seen in the first Highlander film -- then Marto's 'Alexander the Great' swordsword -- and finally, a Marto cavalry sabre.
     
  32. JunkSabers1138

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    Do you think that someone got hold of another extra sword that had all the innacuracies seen in most ebay swords (SKINNY handgrip, smooth leather side out, ricasso too long, wrong cross gaurd shape, wrong pommel shape, etc.) and showed it to most of the cheapo sword makers so they could use it as a reference to make their abominations of this awesome weapon?

    Just my 2 cents .
     
  33. JunkSabers1138

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    Wakal, is your Del Tin sword a custom made sword? I seems to be smaller than LZeitgeist's sword as well as having that strange third grip ring. The ricasso's length looks right to me.

    P.S.-- Would anyone do me a favor and email me any pics you have or can find of the original Wallace sword, as well of the movie sword or any of the inaccurate replicas, or even pics of your own? I've tried to find some good pics of the original but they are mostly shots taken from far away so that the sword is but a tiny object in the frame so you can't really see it at all. I want the pics because I'm going to be writing an in depth discussion as well as collect a gallery of pics (not online) about the two swords and their differences for my friends (who don't know squat about swords and especially don't know about these swords) because they asked it of me as a favor. And they said to "Include all the photo reference you can find" They also want the photos of ebay replicas, as well as seller names, so they (and even myself) can pick which one looks best to them and buy it as their first replica sword.

    Any help would be appreciated an thank you all in advance.

    JS1138
     
  34. Wakal

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    That is just a factory DT in my picture. Ordered with dark brown leather, because the first one I bought (through MRL, back before they became All Indian All The Time) had really light leather (bleah).

    Just watching the hero swords, I think there are at least three varients that a guy can clearly see on camera. Stunt swords galore, though.




    Alex
     
  35. JunkSabers1138

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Wakal @ Jul 11 2006, 01:31 PM) [snapback]1278731[/snapback]</div>
    Well, I don't want my sword leather too dark, but not too light either.

    As for the variations, do you have any screencaps of what your talking about?

    Thanks in advance.

    Seth
     
  36. jddurst

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    Wakal, I love your living room. Quite a nice selection there from across the ages.
     
  37. Wakal

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    I didn't bring all my movies over here, sorry, so no screen caps from this side (sigh).

    And I wish I had better pictures so you could see the rather striking differences between my incontrovertably (since I bought it from his little hands myself ;) ) Del Tin sword and LZeitgeist's Hero blade. The washer type fitting on the pommel (where my tang is just peaned over the pommel itself) and the contours of the crossguard, for two. The DT is a bit...fatter...and rounded.

    Oddly enough, that is one of the few things that the Windlass (MRL) version gets right. Even a blind hog... :lol

    Here is another, euqally worthless, shot of my DT:

    http://www.dreadnaught-industries.com/imag...ovie_blades.JPG

    One thing to keep in mind is that Mel is SHORT. Not quite Tom Cruise midget short, but about Sly Stallone short. I'm 6'3" and the Braveheart sword looks quite out of proportion with me compared to Mel.




    Alex
     
  38. JunkSabers1138

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    "Fatter and Rounded"

    What do you mean? The crossgaurd?

    Thanks for the other pic.
     
  39. JunkSabers1138

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    Okay, having now bought the DVD instead of renting it and never having time to watch it, I now have some new understanding of this sword's details. You are free to correct me on anything I get wrong. This is just what I see when I watch the film.

    Pommel:
    1. Has that nut and washer assembly at the end. Not seen on most replicas, even the DT.
    2. Seems to have a flat finish rather than the SHINY plated look on most replicas.
    3. Shape and notches differ from most replicas.

    Handgrip:
    1. Is a little shorter than most replicas.
    2. Has a baseball bat's upper portion shape rather than a thin skinny rod shape apparent in most replicas.
    3. Leather is dark brown and is smooth side out (Sorry for assuming fuzzy side out ONLY all this time. But I swear I've seen an official BH sword with fuzzy leather.).
    4. Handgrip is rounded/oval shaped in some models and on others it is rounded on the sides and flat on the front and back.
    5. Has ONLY the two front grip rings on all screen used models, and the rings are thinner than most replicas.

    Crossguard:
    1. Width varies between different props, but averages a little wider than most replicas.
    2. Stunt swords have wider crossguards for safety reasons.
    3. Like the pommel, it has a flat finish look and is NOT plated.
    4. Is relatively square shaped with two little notches on each end, unlike most replicas that sport either the round ball shape tips or the clover shaped tips like other claymores.

    Ricasso:
    1. Length varies between props but averages MUCH shorter than most replicas. The shortest ricasso sword is featured most (most prominently at the end when it is in the dirt after Hammish throws it. My favorite music in the film BTW.) and is the choice length for the DT.
    2. The ricasso is usually shorter than the handgrip in the film, not longer like on most cheapos.
    3. Like the handgrip, the leather is dark and smooth.
    4. Stunt swords have the longest ricassos for ease of handling in the fight sequences.
    5. Grip ring varies in thickness between variations but seems to be thicker than the handgrip rings and seems flat, not rounded like most replicas.
    6. Doesn't seem to be attatched really well (As seen in one of the battles in that eyesore of a shot. How is this thing attatched to the sword in the first place?)

    Blade:
    1. Varies in length throughout the film, but is mostly shown as VERY LONG (60"+ like LZ's sword and the A&A replica).
    2. Has either an entirely flat cross section or a flatened diamond cross section depending on the variation. Most replicas choose the diamond shape but inaccurately show it off more prominently.
    3. Stunt swords have shorter blades for easier handling in the fight scenes.
    4. The shorter blade, long ricasso look for the stunt swords may have been the inspiration for the cheapos on eBay and other sites.

    That's all I have to say about that. Feel free to correct me with reasonable evidence if I'm wrong.
     
  40. JunkSabers1138

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    Is THIS what the basic, uncustomised 5154 looks like?.?.?.

    Ebay 5154

    :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

    Doesn't look screen accurate to me.

    Or is this a totally custom made sword to the buyers specifications (certainly doesn't care for accuracy, does he ;) )?

    It's just this is the first time I've seen a good 5154 pic that wasn't a catalouge pic and I'm suprised how inaccurate it is compared to the movie sword.

    Wakal's looks pretty good being specific about what he wanted in it when comapred to this one (they both have that third grip ring though)
     
  41. LZeitgeist

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    <div class='quotetop'>(JunkSabers1138 @ Jul 17 2006, 01:27 PM) [snapback]1282473[/snapback]</div>
    Seems more or less right on the mark to me...
     
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  43. JunkSabers1138

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    Okay, having now bought the DVD instead of renting it and never having time to watch it, I now have some new understanding of this sword's details. You are free to correct me on anything I get wrong. This is just what I see when I watch the film.

    Pommel:
    1. Main hero sword has that nut and washer assembly at the end. Not seen on most replicas, even the DT.
    2. Seems to have a flat finish rather than the SHINY plated look on most replicas.
    3. Shape and notches differ from most replicas.
    4. UPDATE. Some of the stunt swords and at least one of the hero swords lack the nut and washer assembly (Most clearly seen in the second battle when Mel sticks it in the ground before he orders the archers to shoot the flaming arrows)

    Handgrip:
    1. Is a little shorter than most replicas.
    2. Has a baseball bat's upper portion shape rather than a thin skinny rod shape apparent in most replicas.
    3. Leather is dark brown and is smooth side out (Sorry for assuming fuzzy side out ONLY all this time. But I swear I've seen an official BH sword with fuzzy leather.).
    4. Handgrip is rounded/oval shaped in some models and on others it is rounded on the sides and flat on the front and back.
    5. Has ONLY the two front grip rings on all screen used models, and the rings are thinner than most replicas.

    Crossguard:
    1. Width varies between different props, but averages a little wider than most replicas.
    2. Stunt swords have wider crossguards for safety reasons.
    3. Like the pommel, it has a flat finish look and is NOT plated.
    4. Is relatively square shaped with two little notches on each end, unlike most replicas that sport either the round ball shape tips or the clover shaped tips like other claymores.

    Ricasso:
    1. Length varies between props but averages MUCH shorter than most replicas. The shortest ricasso sword is featured most (most prominently at the end when it is in the dirt after Hammish throws it. My favorite music in the film BTW.) and is the choice length for the DT.
    2. The ricasso is usually shorter than the handgrip in the film, not longer like on most cheapos.
    3. Like the handgrip, the leather is dark and smooth.
    4. Stunt swords have the longest ricassos for ease of handling in the fight sequences.
    5. Grip ring varies in thickness between variations but seems to be thicker than the handgrip rings and seems flat, not rounded like most replicas.
    6. Doesn't seem to be attatched really well (As seen in one of the battles in that eyesore of a shot. How is this thing attatched to the sword in the first place?)

    Blade:
    1. Varies in length throughout the film, but is mostly shown as VERY LONG (60"+ like LZ's sword and the A&A replica).
    2. Has either an entirely flat cross section or a flatened diamond cross section depending on the variation. Most replicas choose the diamond shape but inaccurately show it off more prominently.
    3. Stunt swords have shorter blades for easier handling in the fight scenes.
    4. The shorter blade, long ricasso look for the stunt swords may have been the inspiration for the cheapos on eBay and other sites.

    That's all I have to say about that. Feel free to correct me with reasonable evidence if I'm wrong.
     
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  44. JunkSabers1138

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    Okay, having now bought the DVD instead of renting it and never having time to watch it, I now have some new understanding of this sword's details. You are free to correct me on anything I get wrong. This is just what I see when I watch the film.

    Pommel:
    1. Main hero sword has that nut and washer assembly at the end. Not seen on most replicas, even the DT.
    2. Seems to have a flat finish rather than the SHINY plated look on most replicas.
    3. Shape and notches differ from most replicas.
    4. Some of the stunt swords and at least one of the hero swords lack the nut and washer assembly (Most clearly seen in the second battle when Mel sticks it in the ground before he orders the archers to shoot the flaming arrows)

    Handgrip:
    1. Is a little shorter than most replicas.
    2. Has a baseball bat's upper portion shape rather than a thin skinny rod shape apparent in most replicas.
    3. Leather is dark brown and is smooth side out (Sorry for assuming fuzzy side out ONLY all this time. But I swear I've seen an official BH sword with fuzzy leather.).
    4. Handgrip is rounded/oval shaped in some models and on others it is rounded on the sides and flat on the front and back.
    5. Has ONLY the two front grip rings on all screen used models, and the rings are thinner than most replicas.

    Crossguard:
    1. Width varies between different props, but averages a little wider than most replicas.
    2. Stunt swords have wider crossguards for safety reasons.
    3. Like the pommel, it has a flat finish look and is NOT plated.
    4. Is relatively square shaped with two little notches at each end, unlike most replicas that sport either the round ball shape tips or the clover shaped tips like other claymores.
    UPDATE. 5. Crossgaurd tips seem to be a LITTLE bit thicker than the rest of the crossgaurd. Some swinging shots create the illusion of the clover tips seen in the Marto version and other cheapos.

    Ricasso:
    1. Length varies between props but averages MUCH shorter than most replicas. The shortest ricasso sword is featured most (most prominently at the end when it is in the dirt after Hammish throws it. My favorite music in the film BTW.) and is the choice length for the DT.
    2. The ricasso is usually shorter than the handgrip in the film, not longer like on most cheapos.
    3. Like the handgrip, the leather is dark and smooth.
    4. Stunt swords have the longest ricassos for ease of handling in the fight sequences.
    5. Grip ring varies in thickness between variations but seems to be thicker than the handgrip rings and seems flat, not rounded like most replicas.
    6. Doesn't seem to be attatched really well (As seen in one of the battles in that eyesore of a shot. How is this thing attatched to the sword in the first place?)

    Blade:
    1. Varies in length throughout the film, but is mostly shown as VERY LONG (60"+ like LZ's sword and the A&A replica).
    2. Has either an entirely flat cross section or a flatened diamond cross section depending on the variation. Most replicas choose the diamond shape but inaccurately show it off more prominently.
    3. Stunt swords have shorter blades for easier handling in the fight scenes.
    4. The shorter blade, long ricasso look for the stunt swords may have been the inspiration for the cheapos on eBay and other sites.

    That's all I have to say about that. Feel free to correct me with reasonable evidence if I'm wrong.
     
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  45. JunkSabers1138

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    Does anyone know what the inspiration for the design of this sword was? I know it wasn't the "real" Wallace sword. Is this sword the ONLY sword with a leather covered ricasso? Was that detail used before Braveheart? If not, why did Simon Atherton design a sword like that? Couldn't he just design it with a regular ricasso? Surely there has to be SOME type of sword that looks even REMOTELY close to this sword's design. Any info?

    Thanks in advance.

    BTW, LZ's pics of his collection have the Braveheart and the Highlander MacLeod swords sharing a similar pommel design. Was there any connection between the two films in terms of weaponry?
     
  46. JunkSabers1138

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    BUMP. Well at least this thread and my wooden swords thread aren't as neglected as my Mouth of Sauron costume thread.
     
  47. JunkSabers1138

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    Since all the replicas on eBay pretty much suck and have discouraged me from buying them entirely, I've now changed this thread into a "Movie and replica prop study thread".

    Also, I would appreciate it if the questions I asked in post #45 could be answered by anyone who has any idea what the answers are.

    Thanks in advance.

    Seth
     
  48. noonch

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    Here are some old photos of my Braveheart sword. It's cross guard is a tad different than some of the others featured in this thread. I got it close to 8 years ago and it took months to find one online that even looked close to the poster version. Unfortuntely, I do not remember where I finally tracked it down.

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  49. JunkSabers1138

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    Cool display. I must say that your sword, while being unique with the black leather and having the stunt sword sized ricasso that even LOOKS like the movie stunt sword's (The movie mostly showed off the shorter ricasso hero sword more prominently. See my previous posts.), the hilt is in the typical, generic style seen on many replicas today.

    One question though, how big is it? It looks larger than some ebay swords I've seen but you can always tell when you get a cheapo sword if the sword is smaller, or of lower quality than as it was described in the ebay auction (or anywhere for that matter). I had to learn this the hard way when I bought a LOTR Anduril sword that used pics of a really high quality custom made sword (looked almost as good as UC) and stated that it was 54" long in the auction. When I recieved it it was VERY low quality (It was just a crappily made Narsil with the symbols merely scratched in with a knife in the WRONG ORDER in a fuller that was smaller than in the pics and film) and under 50". Being a forgiving person, I gave the seller positive feedback anyway. To me, 52" (and sometimes less than that) is the average cheapo size for replica swords.

    Some examples I've seen:

    Narsil/Anduril:
    Real: (as described in Weapons and Warfare and in books): 60".
    Film: Some 60" and most others smaller; usually 54".
    UC: 53".
    Most other replicas (M.O.R.): 52" and under. Smallest was 33".

    Rohan swords (Herugrim, Guthwine, and Eowyn):
    Real: Between 36" and 42"
    Film: Same as real.
    UC: Same as real.
    M.O.R.: Oversized at 52" apiece (I've seen auctions for these. Believe me.)

    NOTE: Most LOTR sword replicas, while still lacking quality, match the UC size and sometimes the film size as well. But these examples are the ones that stick out like a sore hangnail IMO.

    Braveheart sword:
    Real (monument version): 66"
    Film (Film version): 60" hero swords with smaller stunt swords, promo shoot swords, etc.
    Del Tin: 54"
    Marto and M.O.R.: 52" and under. Smallest was 30"

    Flamberge:
    Real: 72"
    Major replicas: Accurate to real size.
    M.O.R.: 52" and under. Smallest was 40". FEW sellers get these swords right and they are HARD to find, but they are out there.

    Claymore:
    Real: 56" and up.
    Major Replicas: Accurate to real size.
    M.O.R.: 52" and under. Smallest was 36"

    There are many other sword dissapointments out there, but these were the ones that stuck out the most for me. Please note that the M.O.R. doesn't apply to ALL the replicas you'll find, just the majority that are found on ebay and most other sword stores out there.
     
  50. vadermania

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    I have a replica Braveheart aluminum sword which was made by the same person who was commissioned by Simon Atherton to produce the aluminum versions of the sword for the movie. As far as I remember, he did about 9 swords, all were individually handmade and differ in length and other details. Some were outfitted with blood letting tubes by the SPFX department. Most of the surviving swords were presented as gifts to the producers/co-producers.

    Gibson donated a sword to an auction house, I told them that it was a replica and is has been removed from the auction.

    There's a fun story about Gibson circulating, when they gave him the hero steel version of the sword for the first time, he swung it around and landed right on his butt. He then kindly asked for a lightweight aluminum version.

    I'll see that I take some pics of my sword and post them here.
     

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