Blade Runner- A Web of Props (Original Pics updated)

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  1. nick daring

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    Edit 3- Many of the orignal pics that went down during the Wackychimp server switch are now back up. I should get the rest up soon.

    Edit number 2- I've decided to change the title of this thread to reflect it's broadening scope. I've found that the props of Bladerunner are so strangely interconnected that to focus on one you have to study them all. Enjoy the discussion.

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    This thread will plot my progress of my building an ESPER. Hopefully it will inspire others to try their hand at the project as well or at the very least inspire others to tackle a project that has never been done before. Uncharted territory as it were.

    There have been many strange and interesting facts learned while researching this this prop.

    Here is what I've discovered so far:
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    1. There are at least three different ESPERS used in the sequence.

    First we have the ESPER we know and love-

    The 'Frontview ESPER'-
    [​IMG]

    This is the ESPER that does all the cool stuff.
    This is a composited photo made up of about 10 different screen grabs in order to get the best image possible to work from. It's also Important to note that we NEVER see Harrison Ford's face during the use of this particular machine(and all that implies...).

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    The Sideview ESPER-

    [​IMG]

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    [​IMG]

    This last one might not be the Sideview ESPER but due to lack of detail I can only assume. Maybe a better copy will surface.

    This is the ESPER that we see Harrison Ford interacting with.

    The 'Sideview ESPER' lacks the attachments and clocks on the right side. The left side may or may not have any attachments. It also has a mystery box and the Bladerunner Phone(I'll talk about this later) sitting on top of it.

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    The 'Fake ESPER'-
    (which could very well be the 'Sideview ESPER')
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Here you can see the 'Fake Esper' and the 'Sideview ESPER' share a small detail in the upper left corner not present in the 'Frontview ESPER'. Both also have the monitor located much higher than the 'Frontview ESPER'. The 'Fake ESPER' could very well be the same as the 'Sideview Esper' in my opinion.

    I also believe that the 'Frontview ESPER' was very likely built from the 'Fake ESPER'. The rivets around the edge of the "Main Box Section" correlate perfectly and the "VCR Section" of the Esper is a near duplicate of the other's. The only difference lie in the overall color and the small detail in the upper lefthand corner of the "VCR Section".

    Here's a comparison of the two-
    [​IMG]
    The 'Frontview ESPER's' perpective has been flattened to help the comparison.

    It's also interesting to note that the monitor in this version is in a vertical orientation rather than the 'Frontview ESPER's' Horizontal. The screen's size are very close and may have simply been turned when rebuilt into it's final form.

    The grill and button to the right of the monitor also match up from one to the other when turned sideways and repositioned.

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    The Supercloseup/Microscope ESPER-

    [​IMG]

    This is a wierd one. Once deckard begins to zoom in on Roy the scene jumps to a close up of the 'Frontview ESPER' then cuts to this screen. What is really strange is that this ESPER shares the same "camera thing" found on upper left hand corner of the 'Frontview ESPER' BUT the three buttons to the right and the screen's general style are completely different and not similar to either of the previous ESPERs.

    HOWEVER, this screen does make another appearance as the closeup screen of the Electron-microscope in the Animoid Row sequence.

    [​IMG]

    Here we have the ESPER and the Microscope screens before and after the "zoom-in" shot occurs.

    Neat huh.?


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    2. The 'Frontview ESPER' is built on top of a Voight Kampf Machine.
    [​IMG]
    The screens at the bottom line up perfectly to the VK machines screens and structural features. This is great and let's us know how tall the entire unit really is since we cannot see the bottom. This also gives me the excuse to do Voigt Kampf research while doing ESPER research. Fun, fun.

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    3. The red light at the top of the 'Sideview ESPER' is actually the top of a Video-Phone.

    [​IMG]

    There are many of these Phones located throughout Deckard's Apartment at different parts of the movie.

    [​IMG]

    What really tipped me off about this connection was that the same Video-Phone was sitting on the desk of Holden's VK scene. Here you can see two different phones. One is one the desk in front of Leon the other is sitting on top of the monitor between the two men.

    [​IMG]



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    One thought concerning the 'Fake ESPER' being turned into the 'Front View ESPER'. The one big difference between the two's basic structure is the reorientation of the monitor from vertical to sideways. If you pay attention while watching the film, many of the monitors in Bladerunner are turned sideway like this. I think it was done to help give a slightly exotic feel to the technology without having to invest in new and wierd monitors. I believe this may have been a problem when it came to doing the practical images in the final 'Frontview ESPER'. Also the 'Fake Esper' is shiny, simple and silver and doesn't match most of the piece-meal technology in Bladerunner. I think once the 'Sideview ESPER' footage was shot a more exotic and interesting looking ESPER needed to be built for the closeups to match the coolness of the Voigt Kampf.

    They simply took the 'Fake Esper/Sideview ESPER' set it on top of the VK body and slaped some random techy stuff to the sides.

    That's my theory for now. Hopefully I can hunt down better reference to solidify some of these ideas.

    Here's is my initial rough sketch of the 'Frontview ESPER' I plan to build over the summer months.

    [​IMG]

    I've learned a few things since this drawing so a version 2 should be coming up soon.

    Nick
     
  2. Jedirick

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    Those look very similar to our high school (1967) Black & White video playback systems used by the varsity teams.
     
  3. Birdie

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    There is good reference for this in the BR PC game. Not sure how accurate to the movie it is. I think a replica would have to be a little idealised due to the lack of decent movie reference.
     
  4. Mechinyun

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    Yup, it looks like they used two different machines for diffrent camera angles.
     
  5. nick daring

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    The game version is a good bit different as well.

    [​IMG]


    I also found this CGI 3-d model made by a fan-

    [​IMG]

    Again, close but still off.

    Nick
     
  6. nick daring

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    Edit- This post has been moved to the top instead.
     
  7. nick daring

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    Alright, time for a cool update.

    As noted earlier, I found that the "Close up ESPER" and the Fish Ladies "Close Up Microscope Screen" were the same monitor used in two different effect scenes.

    In addition to those two scene the view screen found in the Police Spinner and Deckard's Land Car make use of this same "Closeup Screen". The screen is also very different than the screen seen in the medium shot. The Spinner's view screen is in a VERTICAL orientation inside the actual Spinner. This screen was like the ESPER Closeup and the Microscope filmed far from where the real Spinner likely was.

    Here are the three different screens.
    [​IMG]


    Notice the item Labeled Part A is shared in two of the versions of the closeup screen.

    What is also interesting is this same part is also located on the Hero "Frontview ESPER"!

    [​IMG]


    Notice that the part Labeled Part B can be found directly in front of the Spinner Screen.

    Last night with the help of Spinner44 I discovered this part to be a commonly available Camera flash.

    The Sunpak 522
    [​IMG]


    There is another very, very similar Flash, the Sunpak 544, but the lettering found it front is slightly different. The white lettering with lines on either side of the lettering of the 522 model are fairly visible in the "frontview ESPER photo above. The 544 model has gold lettering with no lines.

    [​IMG]




    Another shared ESPER part found elsewhere are the ESPER Clocks.

    Here you can see a rack of clocks and screens hanging from the ceiling of the Spinner Gaff and Deckard zoom around in.
    [​IMG]


    They appear to be simple alarm clocks screwed to the side of the Esper and Rack. You can see the adjustment pegs in the shots from behind.

    I also suspect the item beneath the flash on the "Frontview ESPER" to be a similar alarm clock turn around. The detail on the box is simply the adjustment peg found on the back of the clock.

    That's it so far but I do have some very exciting prospects coming up to gain even more insight on this surprisingly interesting prop.

    Until then, stay tuned for more startling revelations concerning the web of Blade Runner parts.

    Nick
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2008
  8. Howard

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    This really is superb detective work Nick - akin to the man himself!

    Thanks for these insights and a VERY interesting thread!

    Howard.
     
  9. Stormy320

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    The clocks look like travel alarm clocks that were sold in the early 80s. My dad has at least one, but I don't think it matches up perfectly.
     
  10. tommin

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    Congrats, Nick, on the results of your most thorough research. This has been an interesting read and I will be looking forward to your future updates.

    I've been studying these pictures with a keen interest on the upper "VCR section" of the ESPER. It looks as if this is the faceplate of some sort of invoice printer or even a paper shredder. Not sure if something like this was available in the early '80s though.

    Tom
     
  11. nick daring

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  12. nick daring

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    Spinner44 has located the correct clock for the ESPER Clock.

    It's an older style BRAUN brand alarm clock.

    [​IMG]

    Here are close ups of the Clock.
    http://www.nickderington.com/Images/brpost/braunfront.jpg

    Here you can see the the entire top of the clock lifts up and becomes the OFF button for the clock. THis button is in the raised position when used on the ESPER.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    Here you can see how the rear image matches up perfectly with the left side box labeled Part B in an earlier post.

    http://www.nickderington.com/Images/brpost/brauncompare.jpg


    [​IMG]

    It even has the same red dot.

    BRAUN continues to make very similar clocks to this day but none match up as well as I'd like.
    <.-- BBCode auto-link start -->http://www.braun.com/global/products/clock...cks/models.html<.-- BBCode auto-link end -->

    The main problem is that the correct clock isn't collectable enough to be found on Ebay (Believe me I've been looking) and from the looks of the BRAUN website the clocks they make are mainly marketed in Europe making thrift store hunts pretty much worthless.

    Due to this fact, I'd like to make a general call out to arms. If anyone has the correct clock I will gladly replace or buy it off you.

    Thanks.

    Nick

    PS- New Voight Kampf discoverys to be announced soon. Stay tuned.
     
  13. nick daring

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    Also, I have found some great new reference for the side and back of the 'sideview ESPER'.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    With these shots and the measurements from the Flash handle and the BRAUN clock I can begin scaling and building a mock-up of the main body.

    Nick
     
  14. DrStranglove

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    wow.

    Good finds!!!
     
  15. Macklin

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    Is that the same portable TV that was used for the Alien Motion Tracker?
     
  16. propsculptor

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    WOW! Nice job on the research,
    now I know who to contact when I need some accurate research done!
     
  17. phase pistol

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    You're a maniac! This is great stuff! [​IMG]

    - k
     
  18. gokarosama

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    FYI, the middle graphic of these pics you've posted:

    [​IMG]


    appears to be the inside of the Spinner when it is taking off, which reads "Purge" eventually.... No? I could be wrong.

    In any case if it IS part of that shot, something which might be of help: That "Purge" shot was not filmed for BR. It was originally meant for the movie Alien and I think discarded. Scott liked it and decided to use it for BR.

    As far as the providence of this information, I got it from the book "Future Noir: The Making of Blade Runner." You can either believe it or not, as you wish.
     
  19. nick daring

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    Yeah there's a good qoute about the reuse of the graphics by Terry Rawlings. The graphics are the same but were simply pumped into a new set up. He even states that they run the graphic through a mock-up of the spinner instead of in the real one.

    Nick
     
  20. nick daring

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    * double post.

    Nick
     
  21. Lupus Yonderboy

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    Brilliant thread!
    You've done some impressive work mate.

    Pontus
     
  22. nick daring

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    I've been busy with work lately but have been making bits of progress and interesting discoveries.

    I've found that like the ESPER the Voight Kampf is featured on screen in two different configurations. The one used by the actors has a smaller BW main screen and a few other general front details that more closely match the original Syd Mead sketch.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    and another image of the Actor model with the smaller screen and different detailing-
    [​IMG]

    On an unrelated note, I've also found that the commonly found Deckard ID replica is fairly far from what we see On screen. Most of the fan replicas use the Rep Detect eagle beneath the POLICE heading at the top of the ID. This detail is stolen from Phil's replica which was derived from a mystery Japanes replica.

    Here you can see after Deckard blasts Zhora and presents his ID that the ID simply uses the classic 995 beneath the POLICE title.

    [​IMG]

    It's hard to believe that no one has caught this yet (other than Phil, who now has acces to the original.) I also tend to feel that the purple commonly used is either too light or that the background to the ID may even be black.

    Also watch when Deckard is dialing Rachel's phone number from the Snake Pit's Vid-Phon the ID almost slides out of the wallet. Pretty cool.

    More info coming soon.

    Nick
     
  23. MattMunson

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    Great catch on the "995" detail. who knew??
     
  24. philippes

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    Very impressive.

    Phil
     
  25. Docking Bay 93

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    To quote Shatner:

    "Get a life!"

    Just kidding...awesome work!

    -E
     
  26. Harry Harris

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    </SPAN><TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>Quote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color> the ID simply uses the classic 995 beneath the POLICE title</TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE><SPAN CLASS=$row_color> I can see a blurry shape, but it doesn't look like an eagle or numbers to me. Are there any clearer shots?

    Harry.
     
  27. nick daring

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  28. TRIP3

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    </SPAN><TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
    nick daring wrote:
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    Wow! I'm impressed. This guy works fast! In less than one week of my last post he's made a new updated version of his ID.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3831400030

    </TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE><SPAN CLASS=$row_color>

    I got one of his old IDs and they are GREAT! very nice work....looks like I need to update [​IMG]
     
  29. Jack Bauer

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    what about that wall paneling inthe background. someone should make just one of those squares, mass produce vaccumm formed sets. I'll bet SOMEONE out there would like to decorate a room like that. Man I need a vac. form table.
     
  30. nick daring

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    Looks like having an over abundance of vid-phones is important in the Bladerunner trade.

    I have now found at least 5 of these vid-phones in Deckard's apartment.

    -one by the window
    -one on top of the 'sideview ESPER'
    -one next to the bed when Deckad passes out
    -one next to the piano
    -one can be seen on the wall in the bathroom.

    Also I found two more of these phones in Bryant office. One behind Gaff's shoulder and one in the video briefing sequence.

    [​IMG]



    This doesn't include the ones in Holden's scene as discussed earlier in the thread.

    Guess they are giving these things away in 2019.

    Also note that they come in black or grey to suit what ever your decor may be.[​IMG]

    I think that most of this item was a found part. There are just too many of these found throughout the movie not to be. Anybody recognise this thing or better yet have one sitting in their garage?

    Nick
     
  31. nick daring

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    And for Harry here is a comparison using the new ID replica for comparison. The 995 matches up perfectly to me.
    [​IMG]

    Nick
     
  32. Reel Fakes

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    Except, if you look REAL close - it's a red "X" - not a "V" imposed over everything but the photo... [​IMG]
     
  33. nick daring

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    I agree.

    In fact that was the one element I was gonna keep to myself and use on my personal ID but since you were sharp enough to notice you get the gold star (or the red X as the case may be).

    Nick

    Edit- Here is a quick mock-up of what Jedipunk and I are talking about.

    [​IMG]
     
  34. Harry Harris

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    </SPAN><TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>Quote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>And for Harry here is a comparison using John Domrzalski's new ID for comparison. THe 995 matches up perfectly to me.</TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE><SPAN CLASS=$row_color>Thanks Nick, that's much clearer now. I can see how the bottom parts of the numbers 995 could have been mistaken for a straight line etc.

    Harry.
     
  35. nick daring

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    And for the hell of it here is my only other pieces of reference for the Deckard ID.

    old starlog photo-
    [​IMG]

    and the Vid-phon scene where it almost slides out of the wallet-
    [​IMG]

    Nick
     
  36. spinner 44

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    All I can tell is congrats, you're doing an excellent dective work (my mouth is closed due to a non-disclosure agreement I happyly signed nad agree).

    What do you think Phil? This Nick has a very sharp eye, doesn't he?

    Regards and keep researching-by the way Nick any advance on the Esper?

    Sergio
     
  37. philippes

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  38. nick daring

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    Thanks fellas.

    I know you guys can't throw in any 'official' info. Don't worry about it for a second. Besides it's fun to figure it out purely by means of "movie archaeology".

    I'll be able to pick up one of your wallet sets once my big three picture movie deal hits, until then I'll just plug away on my own stuff for now. Much rather build it than buy it anyhow.

    As far as the ID goes, I think not much else can be pulled from these photos and have pretty much hit a research wall. The rest will have to be conjecture.

    The ESPER R&D goes slowly. I'm swamped with comic work right now so only bits and pieces of the blueprinting is getting done at any time. I've decided to first blueprint the Voigt Kampf since it is the base of the Hero ESPER. Once that work is done I'll jump to the blueprinting of the ESPER.

    Then comes building.

    Slowly but surely this baby will get done.

    Phil- How's the JW bottle project coming along?

    Also Phil when Deckard is dialing Rachel's number in the bar he is looking at a black piece of paper/cardboard with white lettering on it. Was this paper found in the wallet that you are replicating?

    [​IMG]



    Nick
     
  39. DrStranglove

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    God you are good!!!
     
  40. philippes

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    nick daring wrote:
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    Phil- How's the JW bottle project coming along?
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    Here's were the bottle project is--

    1. I've found a vendor on whose paper the labels will be output.

    2. I have a custom bottle manufacturer picked out for the bottle.

    3. A preliminary label (based on a real JW label) has already been created and tested.

    A lot more work is still needed, as this is going to be a huge project (e.g. bottle creation in a 3D program, possible SLA output for prototype glass molding, packaging for shipping, etc.) I imagine that we'll sell hundreds (if not thousands) of these bottles worldwide.

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    nick daring wrote:
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    Also Phil when Deckard is dialing Rachel's number in the bar he is looking at a black piece of paper/cardboard with white lettering on it. Was this paper found in the wallet that you are replicating?
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    No, that piece of paper was not included in the wallet I replicated.

    Phil
     
  41. PC1149

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    Phil,
    When you say "based on a real JW label" you mean a real prop label from the Blade Runner movie? Your basing your bottle and label from original source material, no guessing what something looks like, everything is being replicated from original source material right?
     
  42. philippes

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    Item #3 in my previous post referred to an early attempt at recreating the label. The final label will be based on original source material.

    I mentioned the previous work in the context of the overall job--to show the research that's been undertaken.

    Phil
     
  43. DrStranglove

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    Phil,

    Put me down for four!


    Thanks!!!
     
  44. Prop Runner

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    philippes wrote:
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    A lot more work is still needed, as this is going to be a huge project (e.g. bottle creation in a 3D program, possible SLA output for prototype glass molding, packaging for shipping, etc.) I imagine that we'll sell hundreds (if not thousands) of these bottles worldwide.
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    Phil, you mean a 3D model like this one:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    And that's without access to blueprints or the original, just eyeballed the screen caps below:

    [​IMG]

    Would be glad to help... SLA too!

    - Gabe
     
  45. nick daring

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    The neck of your model is a bit long-

    [​IMG]

    Very cool though.

    Nick
     
  46. Prop Runner

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    Nick,

    Thanks for the critique and the screen cap. [​IMG] I had trouble deciding on the length and girth of the neck because it appears squat and thick in some caps, long and narrow in others. Phil mentioned at one point that there were hero and stunt versions of the bottle made, so that might account for the discrepancy, or it could just be the way light and low magnification resolution distort the image, as they did with the famous shot glass, hindering efforts to ID it.

    I'm sure whatever Phil has in mind will be the final word in accuracy, so I'm not worried.

    Here's something for you, Nick - I don't know if it's deliberate on your part, but I noticed the "Y" in the little gray graphic on the bottom right hand side of Deckard's head shot is upside down...

    [​IMG]

    Also, I tend to believe that the white stripe below the "995" is solid from end to end, simply based on the way the red "X" distorts the "995" and "POLICE" graphics. Either that, or the stripe isn't a stripe, but a string of characters from end to end that we just can't make out, as I seem to notice breaks in the white outside the "X" on either side. Just a thought. [​IMG]

    - Gabe
     
  47. nick daring

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    I agree with your observations completely, Prop Runner.

    Also here is page of JW reference.

    [​IMG]


    Can't wait for your project to happen Phil.

    Nick
     
  48. phase pistol

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    Just blue-skying here, but I cranked up the ol' screengrabbin' machine:

    [​IMG]

    And i was wondering how we KNOW that that diamond shaped thing is really some kind of design.

    Could it be a number?

    [​IMG]

    - Karl
     
  49. nick daring

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    It's Deckard's Nexus 8 ID card!

    Nick
     
  50. phase pistol

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    Also the diamond could be broken, with type around like this

    [​IMG]
     

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