Blade Runner 2049 (Post-release)

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  1. Vivek

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  2. Reelo

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    Planning to see it as soon as it opens here.
    (Commented so that the thread shows up in my "participated" feed.)

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  3. Fawbish

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    I've rewatched the Final Cut just last weekend, and I'll be seeing this tomorrow. Excited!
     
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    Thursday at 700pm tickets....Wahoo.....been waiting 30 years!
     
  5. MooCriket

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    Going Thursday night as well. Please live up to the hype!
     
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    I saw it this morning, and it’s a brilliant addition to the Bladerunner world. I saw the Final Cut of the original again last Friday and I think that helped me appreciate the subtle callbacks to the original in this film.

    The original cast cameos are in context, and not just there for show. The final scene evokes Roy Batty’s final moments beautiful, I could here his words ringing in my head as I watched it.

    I’m going to rewatch the original and the three featurettes before heading back to see 2049 again.
     
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  8. Bentley

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    Since this is a spoiler thread, I am only interested if Deckard makes it out alive or not. That is the only thing I care about. Anyone? PM will be good also. Thanks!
     
  9. CutThumb

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    It won't be for everybody. But I was hugely satisfied by the end of it.

    Visually I don't think there will be a more powerful and striking film this year (and perhaps for many yet to come). There are some of the most absolutely beautiful and haunting images I've seen on screen for decades, which, coupled with perhaps the best soundtrack since the original (because it was so reverential toward it) hits a lot of the beats , both the old and new .You may find this digs deeply into your soul, it certainly did with me .

    All those moments (and there were many). The old dog looking out of that broken window,or perhaps when Harrison gets that lesson in pain then, the fight in the broken casino showroom and those shots of spinners drifting over terribly desolate landscapes. Truely more "tears in the rain" than I'd thought they would ever manage to get into a sequel.

    And I also really appreciated some of the scripting choices they made with the story. They preserved so much by doing the right thing by the original. But it will shock at times as well.

    A truely remarkable piece of work by the standards of its predecessor and by itself. And I cannot think of a better person than Villeneuve to take on "Dune" after seeing this.
     
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  10. Reelo

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    That sounds VERY encouraging, and is in line with what most critics (still under NDA) said. Can't wait.

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  12. Darth Lars

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    I just came back from seeing it.

    It will take a while for me to process all of it.

    If I had anything to gripe about, it would be the music and soundscape. They had turned up the music to 11 at times to really beat the audience with the feelings of the lead: K (Ryan Gosling).
    Overall, I found the soundtrack lacking though. They used one track from the original so as to instil the feel of the original, and ran variations of it all throughout the movie. There was a lack of melody, which they tried to make up for by being bombastic.
    The music does not have any character of its own, is not a character like in the 1982 movie. There was no tune in my head that I took with me when I left.

    The ending felt somewhat unfinished. As if it was left open for a sequel.
     
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  13. mofo77

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    wow,saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it.visuals and acting great.
    so different to Bladerunner but so much links to it and more so the plotlines between each film.
    any minor gripes would be exactly what Darth Lars mentions.
    i will say this,the film will polarise people just like bladerunner did,back in the 80's.
    villeneuve is a genius,up there with miller,nolan,scott and cameron......and yeah can you imagine what he will do with Dune!
     
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    I thought it was stunning. Hell of a lot to process, though, and I need to see it again as soon as possible. The thing that really stood out for me was that this seems like a movie totally out of time. If you didn't like the original (boring, slow pretentious blah blah) this movie is going to do nothing to change your mind. Long, contemplative, free of frenzied editing and ADD Bayisms, it's film I just don't know how millenial audiences are going to take.

    For me it's a Blade Runner sequel we never asked for, but one we deserve.
     
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  16. Mr Webber

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    I cant wait to see it again, haunted me all day yesterday and is still doing so.
     
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    saw it yesterday afternoon in essentially a private screening (14 other people), and i thought it was great.

    I was surprised right out the gate about a certain reveal that unless I missed something was kept very well hidden (and there were several more well kept secrets too).

    Going back and watching the trailers afterwards it's interesting to see just how much they showed in them, and seeing all the little bits of misdirection they put in there with different lines of dialogue and such.

    Probably won't see it again until the bluray comes out, but I'm very much looking forward to seeing it again.
     
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    Sitting and waiting.... 20 minutes to go!
     
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  19. Kylash

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    Absolutely amazing. I came out seriously questioning what was real or not, and feeling like a different person than when I went in.

    and Denise you sneaky bastard, you managed to add to the “Deckard is a replicant” idea without straight up answering it one way or another.
    ”I know what’s real...”
     
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    Processing. Processing.
     
  21. Jedisushi

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    My god it was just tremendous. Like others said, this is going to require some processing.

    I have some gripes about the soundtrack too, but sometimes that changes with repeat viewings.

    And once is definitely not enough. There’s so much to take in.

    But overall... staggering. This is one for the record books folks.
     
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    Well , at the least I would have thought she would have pointed out that its a woman who gets to dispense the bulk of violence and suffering in this story in a role that "traditionally" would have been given to a man ( I dread to imagine what may have been said had that actually been done so). But I guess if you want to have a go at the movie its a simple angle to take.

    The problem was that nearly all the characters were "unlikeable" in that they were rendered less than human by either their origin or circumstance or both . That was the major point of the movie I felt, the inhumanly manufactured were struggling to attain their humanity ,the humans left on Earth had lost or surrendered most of theirs. And under those conditions I think the choices of the roles given were a reasonable extension of what technology is enabling us to develop anyway ,much like the original.

    Certainly the slow pace of the first two thirds of the film very much allowed you to explore those ideas, and I did like how much misinformation and misdirection early on allowed a few ambiguities to survive to the end of the story. But the jump to the climax felt oddly miss paced though, though maybe I missed how K tracked Deckard to the final showdown ( I may have been somewhat distracted by the fifty foot digitally enhanced nude appearance of his ex girlfriend).

    And there were a small number of plot stupidities I disliked , like having tripwires in a building with a dog is not to be recommended, an immune compromised child is put in an orphanage ,bee hives thriving where there were no flowers ?????? The rest of the story seemed very straight forward though and didn't seem to have as many contradictions within it like the original ( apart from the smartly kept main question of course).

    But those were small niggles in comparison to the impact the entire movie had on you. It was a " movie experience" in every sense of the word , but its one I'd prefer to watch on Blu-ray again. There were a few quiet, thoughtful moments in it in which were difficult to appreciate above the loud grazing noises in the audience.

    I understand if some people don't like the soundtrack. I enjoyed the combination of the musical score with powerful sound effects , much like they did in "Arrival", though it was loud enough at points to feel in your body, and I don't know if its a coincidence but I have a slight numbness in the ears today. I've been to quieter concerts!!!

    Just one more question. Did anyone catch what was meant when Luv says "Now I am the last one" at the end?



    PS DId anyone think this felt very like some of the episodes in the Ghost in the Shell series?
     
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    I thought she actually said "Now I am the best one" which aligned with her clear desire to be favoured by Wallace.


    That...was freaking brilliant. I don't think it will resonate immediately with some, but you can just tell its going to ripen so well with age.

    Its packed full to the brim with feeling, and yet has times that feel so...empty. On purpose of course.

    It's telling that the most human character in this film is the AI, Joi. I think, anyway.
     
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  24. Darth Lars

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    Well, she did say that she had reached a certain age when her problems appeared. Was it seven or eight?

    I don't remember the words, but I remember that that was the gist of it that I got out of it, anyway.
     
  25. Mr Webber

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    I had the problem of people pawing through their plastic bags and an average theatre sound system as well that made me miss stuff.
    Love the whole dog thing and thought it was very cool to make that the object of what is real and what is not in the movie and done with humour as well. By the way, what does Gaff`s origami of that dog tell us? I`m a little confused on that one.

    I dont think the child was ever immune compramised, that was a cover story to protect her. I would be confused about the bees too but my neighbour has them and in winter he leaves a sugary liquid in a dispenser for them outside the hives. I think the worms in the movie are sustained and grown in the same way. Man I love this film and there is so much to be unravelled
     
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  26. CutThumb

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    Thanks, I probably miss heard due to the ringing in my ears, it was pretty loud at that point.

    I didn't think it was dog, it was an origami sheep ( a hint towards the old novel title of the original Bladerunner film, "Do Androids dream of electric sheep)

    And yes, the inclusion of the dog really touched a cord with me, being a dog owner. Over the debate whether it was real or not I'd have really liked to see the "red eye" effect included as it walked out of the shadow. That would have really put the cat amongst the pigeons!!!
     
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  27. Marv

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    Did anyone think the spinners were off? Was thinking about it this morning but in the original they really didn't have much sound and had a great sound as they passed, but these felt like they come out of the last Tron.

    Loved the film, get what people have said about the music but did enjoy it still (actually listening to soundtrack now). The scenery was amazing and the story was good, but for all that wish it had not been made I loved the way the original ended hanging like that, that is now gone!
     
  28. Kylash

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    I like that the answer Deckard have if the dog was real was “ask him”. Because to him, it didn’t friggn matter, just like it didn’t matter that Rachael was, that’s how I took it.

    i also found it odd that Deckard had a police spinner and not his car. I suppose it made sense to swap cars somewhere but you’d think stealing a police vehicle would have tipped someone off.

    Also, how awesome was it that they got to use that original opening idea for the first film with the farm, the soup, and the replicant.

    And, called this accurately back when the trailer first came out. Still curious if the date is when she dies, or when she gave birth.

    https://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=109660&p=4242978&viewfull=1#post4242978
     
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  29. Marv

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    Did she die in childbirth?
     
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    Considering there was the photo of her in front of the tree holding the child.... dont think so.
     
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    No, I believe she did did in childbirth. There was an emergency c-section to save the baby.

    Wasn’t the woman holding the baby in the photo the resistance leader we meet later who has removed her right eye? She talks about being there, etc.

    I could be wrong. It was a late night showing and I need to see it... a few more times. But I definitely got the clear impression Rachael died in childbirth.
     
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    Wasn't that the droid with the missing eye, picture didn't look like Rachel to me.
     
  33. Kylash

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    That could be, for some reason I assumed it was her, resembled her with straight hair.
     
  34. Jedisushi

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    Bingo.

    The real question is, within Villeneuve's diegesis (ignore what Ridley Scott has said for a moment), is Deckard a replicant?

    Clearly Rachael was given a human reproductive system, but if Deckard is a replicant, Tyrell must have done the same for him. One thing we know for sure is that Deckard was not shooting blanks.

    Was Wallace telling Deckard straight up he was designed to reproduce with Rachael, or was he taunting/manipulating him?

    I need to get back in the theater...
     
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    He definitely was trying to mess with him, making another Rachael is proof of that, so I wouldnt believe anything he said, just as Deckard doesnt.

    I think it was a way to just raise that question again without taking one side or the other. If he was designed to reproduce with her, why put him in such a dangerous line of work, there are several times where he almost didnt make it, and there goes the plan.
     
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    I need to watch it a second time to really have an opinion but I honestly felt like I was back in the blade runner universe but at the same time, it didn't feel like the original Ridley Scott type of story telling or the type of story to tell in that universe, if that makes any sense. The parts I loved about the original was the dystopian grim relationships between the characters. Funny how Joi's relationship with K was so...human.

    I was feeling a bit John Wick'ed during the attack on K, Deckard, and his dog. Thought the fella bought it in the explosion. Was instantly happy to see the dog was okay. Also, Kylash...When K's drone was surveying the city, I saw many abandoned police cars. Deckard probably just appropriated a working one...like the many, many, many bottles of liquor.

    I'm definitively going back to see this again this weekend.
     
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  37. Darth Lars

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    Joi's relationship with K was the result of clever programming. She was a software package, designed to be a dream girl for whichever Joe Q Loser that bought a copy.
    Designed to fall in love with him and to make him fall in love with her - and that required adapting to the customer. K was a non-human who was desperate for humanity, so that is what he got.

    All I've heard points to that Villeneuve would have chosen to leave that question open-ended for each audience member to decide for him/herself.

    That, and that Villeneuve had asked reviewers not to spill spoilers makes Villeneuve an awesome person in my book.
     
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    I got the impression that Rachael was specifically created to entice Deckard (or someone like him), not that he was a replicant, necessarily. Apparently Tyrell's experiment was more than just seeing if she could pass for human.

    By the way, maybe it's just me but was seeing Rachael like R1 Leia all over again?
     
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    Yeah there was some weirdness in her facial movements. But they were smart and kept her face out of picture for most of her lines.
     
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    I loved the answer to Is he or isn't he a replicant. Answer: Yes, No, Maybe. It doesn't matter. Ask the dog if it's real. It's alive and it wants to stay that way. Real or not.
    I saw the film last night and it's easily one of my favorite science fiction movies already. It was just that good. There's no way I'm making it through the weekend without seeing it again.
     
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    In my eyes, it was as perfect as it could have been. She wasn't supposed to be too human anyway.

    I stayed for the credits. Sean Young was credited - both among the leads and in the list of cast. I believe it must have been performance capture of a 3D model of her own younger face. Loren Peta got the credit as her body double.
     
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    I don't think that Rachel had human organs, my thinking is that the whole point was that Tyrell made her as close to human as could be down to the point that her replicant organs functioned as human organs do.
     
  43. Apollo

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    Well, you can never go home again, now with that being said i felt like this film is guilty of not having what one of it's questions is and that is Soul.

    After a second viewing of it though I realise it has a very painful and tortured one.

    Was not impressed with the cityscape as it did not jibe with Ridleys original vision and the lack of Asian character let alone leads was not only an insult but clear evidence someone did NOT do their homework of Ridleys original vision of the City.

    I also was not impressed with Deakins work it fell flat.

    His use of water reflected on the walls in some scenes although a nice homage to Jordan and Ridleys "Busy backgrounds that don't have to make sense", there certainly was room for them to come up with their own innovations and it just was not there.

    Loved ryans performance and what can you say about Harrison?

    Nice to knowthat he can still bust out his old acting chops when the material moves him to do so.

    Eddie James Gaff was absolutely horrible, the lack of voice and cityspeak lingo as well as his mannerisms just took me out of the movie that scene should have been left on the cutting room floor, but I blame Dennis for that one and not Eddie J

    All in all I thought it was a worthy sequel, but what scares me is that they are planning 3 to 4 sequels to this.

    If that happens there will not be enough rain or snow to cleanse oneself from that travesty. :unsure
     
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    One scene in this movie encapsulates the whole: a 45 second shot of the back of Ryan Gosling's head.

    If you like this movie you probably didn't really understand the original.
     
  45. Marv

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    Could it simply be that the area the first was set was like China town, so this time its simply set in another part of the metropolis?
    Yeah thought Gaff wasn't needed, and to add how did he know Deckard was being transported to the airport - that was an odd jump for me.
     
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    Well, my decision to never view it is justified, the critical spoilers I read are certainly verified in full by comments here.
    There is no way I can allow this in my head as canon without greatly diminishing the first film's value to me.
    I'm sure it's a great film on it's own, but it's smashing under it's boot the first film for me and I will protect those memories
    over further exposition on characters that in my belief was a no go zone to begin with.

    I am as alone as a man on the moon right now on this I know. Odd feeling.
     
  47. Apollo

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    No, Scott postulated that the Asian population would be the Majority by that time

     
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  48. Apollo

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    You are not alone, I know how you feel, one of my friends feels the same way, but I have talked him into seeing it.

    Is it as good as the first , hell no, but it is worth a viewing imo


     
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    Got nothing at all that wouldnt get me banned if I replied to that, just wanted to make sure it sticks.
     
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    I was so amazed by that opening scene flying to LAPD when i thought we were looking at flat barren land, when it was actually the tops of the city that was so smashed together, then you start seeing the lights from the ground level... just so amazing.

    Overall, the best thing was that they didnt forget that it was a noir movie.
     

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