Barahir.....Right or Left Hand? (Photo Added To 1st Post)

[SirJediKnightTim]

I just saw something that I never noticed while watching The Two Towers (extended edition) DVD. In one scene (on the second disc) Aragorn is smoking his pipe, when he raises his RIGHT hand to smoke it, he is wearing the Ring of Barahir on his RIGHT hand!?!?!?!

I wonder why Viggo did this? He knows that in all of the others scenes it's on his left hand.

When I wear my Ring of Barahir, I have always worn it on my right hand, because it would look pretty stupid next to my wedding ring on my left hand. And after all this time, I find a scene where he is wearing it on his right.

Just pop in the second disc, and look for Aragorn smoking his pipe and you will see it.




EDIT: ADDED PHOTO WITH AND WITHOUT THE FLASH ON.

 

[Kylash]

Re: Barahir.....Right or Left Hand?

they might have flipped the shot.

 

[SirJediKnightTim]

Re: Barahir.....Right or Left Hand?

they might have flipped the shot.

No, it's his right hand. You can see the hand, not the palm side.

 

[Westies14]

Re: Barahir.....Right or Left Hand?

What he means is that they may have flipped the image, so that it's backwards like when you look in a mirror. They did that a lot in this trilogy; if you can see the ring when they're looking at the burnt pile of orcs and they're thinking merry and pippen are dead, it should be on his "right" hand too, as that's another shot they flipped. The fingerless glove ends up on the "left."

 

[SirJediKnightTim]

Re: Barahir.....Right or Left Hand?

What he means is that they may have flipped the image, so that it's backwards like when you look in a mirror. They did that a lot in this trilogy; if you can see the ring when they're looking at the burnt pile of orcs and they're thinking merry and pippen are dead, it should be on his "right" hand too, as that's another shot they flipped. The fingerless glove ends up on the "left."

Yeah, I know what he means. But why would Peter Jackson want to do that and change the character? Would he want to say "Hey, lets have everybody fight left handed in this scene by flipping it". That doesn't make sense.

 

[DavidS]

Re: Barahir.....Right or Left Hand?

because they had a terrible editor?

the absolutle WORST example of this is when they are entering Fangorn in TTT..... that WHOLE scene is a reverse negative.....
everyones weapons are on the wrong side.....

i notice little things like that too, and it grates on my nerves that they were that careless about it

 

[SirJediKnightTim]

Re: Barahir.....Right or Left Hand?

because they had a terrible editor?

the absolutle WORST example of this is when they are entering Fangorn in TTT..... that WHOLE scene is a reverse negative.....
everyones weapons are on the wrong side.....

i notice little things like that too, and it grates on my nerves that they were that careless about it

Your right about editing. (And I was waiting for you to chime in on this Dave!). Check out after Pipin grabs the seeing stone and is laying on the floor, Gandalf runs over and puts his hand on the left side of his face. They keep going back and forth to showing Pipin's face, and Gandalfs fingers go from normal, to REALLY LONG, to normal again. It looks like they put fake fingers on Gandalf, then decided against it, but left part of the scene.

 

[DavidS]

Re: Barahir.....Right or Left Hand?

i know exactly what you mean........

a mess up in blocking or scene angles ect is a bit more forgivable because they do that stuff in different takes......... for instance Boromirs death scene.... his hand is on aragorns face in one scene... and not in another....

this is a bit more forgivable.... also in Spiderman 1... the end where mary janes hand magically dissapears from pepers face...

 

[SirJediKnightTim]

Re: Barahir.....Right or Left Hand?

i know exactly what you mean........

a mess up in blocking or scene angles ect is a bit more forgivable because they do that stuff in different takes......... for instance Boromirs death scene.... his hand is on aragorns face in one scene... and not in another......

Ohhhhh, but that was a great scene!

 

[Soundwave]

Re: Barahir.....Right or Left Hand?

Yeaah I can't recall the ring in the scene, but that'll be it, it pretty much occurs in the final cuts of most films.

 

[Westies14]

Re: Barahir.....Right or Left Hand?

They flip shots because they're looking at the big picture, not which hand a ring is on or a sword is in for any given shot. We're all nitpickers, but 99.9% of the moviegoing audience will never notice, and if the dynamics play out better by flipping a shot, I think it's worth doing. They certainly don't flip 'em casually or by accident.

 

[Noeland]

Re: Barahir.....Right or Left Hand?

Flipping/reversing shots can save the flow of a scene, and also fix the whole "180" eye line problem that happens if you shoot things wrong, and people are looking the wrong way once the scene is cut. It happens to the best of them.

Example. People having a conversation. Wide shot, frank is frame left looking to our right, john is frame right looking to our left. This has to be retained for the closeups, or the scene won't look right.

If by some strange chance John gets filmed from the other side of the table, and is looking to our right in his closeups, expect those close ups to get reversed.

Did that make sense?

 

[SirJediKnightTim]

Re: Barahir.....Right or Left Hand?

I took a photo of my tv, with the shot, and added it to the first post.

 

[JunkSabers1138]

If I may humbly ask.... what does wearing a ring on the wrong hand have to do with the prop forum? Couldn't this fit in better over in the costuming forum since its a nitpick at the costume piece being on the wrong place? Or in the OT forum since it also talks about why filmmakers flip shots?

 

[micdavis]

It's always happened in film, even on accident.

An entire reel of Lawrence of Arabia was flipped at the printers in its original release. So when they did the restoration a few year back, they fixed that.

 

[Westies14]

hahah I didn't know that story... Crazy stuff!

 

[SirJediKnightTim]

If I may humbly ask.... what does wearing a ring on the wrong hand have to do with the prop forum? Couldn't this fit in better over in the costuming forum since its a nitpick at the costume piece being on the wrong place? Or in the OT forum since it also talks about why filmmakers flip shots?

The Ring of Barahir is a prop. Most people wear their ring every now and then, and not with any costume.

 

[CeSquared]

It is also done for continuity.

That shot might not have been filmed for that exact part of the film. It might have been left over footage that was added in post-production. So if Aragorn is looking to the right, and they felt they needed additional footage of him looking to the right but didn't have anything that worked, they'll flip the image.

A great example is in Blackhawk Down.

When Shughart and Gordon are trying to rescue Durant, They show Shughart shoot two people shooting left to right with his right hand. The very next scene they also show him shooting left to right but with his left hand and the cocking lever is on the wrong side of the gun. They had to flip this footage for continuity.