Bad Seller Alert!! TOSPHASER
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Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
Especially with a "lawyer" on call like that.
Robot Monster
Sr Member
Lock the thread, I sure don't want to read any more of this.
Trekguy
New Member
Perhaps this thread should stay open to see if DrkMatter gets his money and to see when and if, any of ALL these issues happens again from TOSPHASER.
I cannot think it could be anything but beneficial to EVERYONE to know and remember all these issues and what has been said.
As long as there are no more NEW issues... There won't be anything to comment on and the thread would go away naturally.
What's the urgency in closing this thread?
....Just my thoughts.
I cannot think it could be anything but beneficial to EVERYONE to know and remember all these issues and what has been said.
As long as there are no more NEW issues... There won't be anything to comment on and the thread would go away naturally.
What's the urgency in closing this thread?
....Just my thoughts.
Amish Trooper
Master Member
Then don't! There many other threads that are far more interesting.
defstartrooper
Sr Member
The flipside is of course an ordinariily good member ripping someone off for 13 lousy dollars.
propologist
Sr Member
weird how all the focus has been on newbies and then more of the older members are falling by the wayside...
13.00 dollars.....13.00 dollars.....
13.00 dollars.....13.00 dollars.....
Amish Trooper
Master Member
He got his money back and kept the bad resin prop. So how was he ripped off?
MooCriket
Master Member
Three dollars and fifty cents. He wanted money you say? That's right!
Only this thread is about something else...Thirteen Dollars.
It has been a looooooooong week. Time for Friday happy hour....YEAH!!!
TheSt.LouisKid
Sr Member
I was hoping to not make anymore posts here.
I am amazed by this question posed by Amish Trooper.
Ethic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
I entered into an agreement for a good and workable part to be shipped the day after payment and because this is the RPF, I expected a 1st generation casting.
The piece was not fully formed.
It has air bubbles.
It has warpage.
It has large areas of unmixed resin creating soft spots on the surface(not to be confused with weeping oil) that would never dry if painted.
It is not 1st generation as it should have been as that is what is to be sold on the RPF by people who make their own castings.
Knowing all this...being able to see all of this on the part Bruce still put a worthless part in the mail to me. The part was unworkable. It was literally garbage. I was sent garbage and was somehow expected to be satisfied?
Anyone with good ethics would not have sent this. The part is an embarrassment yet it was still sent.
Yes Amish, I did get my money back as Bruce refunded the $13 ...on an installment plan.
It's not a matter of me keeping the part, Bruce chose not to pay for it's return.
So Amish, if someone robs a bank but returns the money a few days later in installments should everyone just forget the whole matter?
How is this scenario? The deli guy at your grocery store slices you up some sandwich meat that he knows full well smells bad and can't be eaten. He doesn't say anything but gives it to you anyway. Does the deli guy get a clean his slate if he refunds your money even after insults and abuse?
I ask you Amish, do you think it's okay for a person to misrepresent a product, advertise a product with a picture he doesn't own, and abuse a customer as long as money is refunded when all is discovered? I hope you don't think that and if you do I don't think I'll buy from you. In some cases selling something that doesn't do what it's supposed to as well as being not as described is considered fraud.
I consider myself a craftsman. I have worked in plastic and resin for 20+ years. I have seen pictures of Bruces TOS captains chair and I consider him a craftsman. For a craftsman to send that quality to another craftsman is a poorly conceived joke...even an insult.
And I'll repeat this again for those still in a rut on the $13.
Look how long it was before I chimed in on this thread.
I posted my experience as it had the same tune as other people accounts. I posted to let people know this was a repeating pattern for Bruce.
It's unfortunate that it takes time to read all the information in this thread but that is how it goes. If people want to simply skim the information of this entire thread and not think past the first conclusion that they arrive at then so be it.
So MooCricket, just out of curiosity and since you are stuck on the money issue, what should the dollar be in order to be valid in your world? (a rhetorical question)
I am amazed by this question posed by Amish Trooper.
Ethic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
I entered into an agreement for a good and workable part to be shipped the day after payment and because this is the RPF, I expected a 1st generation casting.
The piece was not fully formed.
It has air bubbles.
It has warpage.
It has large areas of unmixed resin creating soft spots on the surface(not to be confused with weeping oil) that would never dry if painted.
It is not 1st generation as it should have been as that is what is to be sold on the RPF by people who make their own castings.
Knowing all this...being able to see all of this on the part Bruce still put a worthless part in the mail to me. The part was unworkable. It was literally garbage. I was sent garbage and was somehow expected to be satisfied?
Anyone with good ethics would not have sent this. The part is an embarrassment yet it was still sent.
Yes Amish, I did get my money back as Bruce refunded the $13 ...on an installment plan.
Bruce wanted the part back. I told Bruce he could have the part back. After all the aggravation, verbal abuse, as well as other behavior (not unlike the kind Bruce has demonstrated here) I told Bruce he was welcome to have the part back...when sent money for shipping. It's a matter of principle for me. I didn't order garbage. Why should I have to take the time, the gas, and pay shipping on something that I didn't order? Why should I have to go through this trouble when Bruces common sense should have told him it would only be returned when it was recognized for the reject it is?
It's not a matter of me keeping the part, Bruce chose not to pay for it's return.
So Amish, if someone robs a bank but returns the money a few days later in installments should everyone just forget the whole matter?
How is this scenario? The deli guy at your grocery store slices you up some sandwich meat that he knows full well smells bad and can't be eaten. He doesn't say anything but gives it to you anyway. Does the deli guy get a clean his slate if he refunds your money even after insults and abuse?
I ask you Amish, do you think it's okay for a person to misrepresent a product, advertise a product with a picture he doesn't own, and abuse a customer as long as money is refunded when all is discovered? I hope you don't think that and if you do I don't think I'll buy from you. In some cases selling something that doesn't do what it's supposed to as well as being not as described is considered fraud.
I consider myself a craftsman. I have worked in plastic and resin for 20+ years. I have seen pictures of Bruces TOS captains chair and I consider him a craftsman. For a craftsman to send that quality to another craftsman is a poorly conceived joke...even an insult.
And I'll repeat this again for those still in a rut on the $13.
Look how long it was before I chimed in on this thread.
I posted my experience as it had the same tune as other people accounts. I posted to let people know this was a repeating pattern for Bruce.
It's unfortunate that it takes time to read all the information in this thread but that is how it goes. If people want to simply skim the information of this entire thread and not think past the first conclusion that they arrive at then so be it.
So MooCricket, just out of curiosity and since you are stuck on the money issue, what should the dollar be in order to be valid in your world? (a rhetorical question)
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Amish Trooper
Master Member
The quality of the casting was not the point of my question. The item sucked I saw it as did everyone else. My question is simple. You were made whole in the end and have not been ripped off. So the only thing you are out is time and some pain in the ass messaging. Is what Bruce did wrong Maybe . I as others have asked what item was this recast based off of?
For those of you stuck on 13.00, when does it become enough for you to complain about it?
My take on why TSTK posted in this thread was because he had an issue with Bruce and was letting other people know about it. But others think it was a witch hunt against Bruce, including Bruce himself.
I've seen all the good things Bruce has done over the years, and I've even bought a few of his items off of Ebay and I've always been happy with his work, but that doesn't condone the fact that he also has messed up big time.
My take on why TSTK posted in this thread was because he had an issue with Bruce and was letting other people know about it. But others think it was a witch hunt against Bruce, including Bruce himself.
I've seen all the good things Bruce has done over the years, and I've even bought a few of his items off of Ebay and I've always been happy with his work, but that doesn't condone the fact that he also has messed up big time.
Another one for the no sell list.
It's funny how many here want to create a don't buy list.
I've been creating a no sell list.
Honestly if someone bugs out this much over $13, I'll pass on your patronage.
And if SLK does not PROVE his recasting claim, I think HE should be banned for making false accusations without proof. I have yet to see any.
Ah that really hurts me. And guess what, I could really care less if you don't sell to me because you have never had anything I would buy.
MooCriket
Master Member
AJK001: to quote "Married With Children"...No, Bundy...like a neutered dog, you don't get it. I think what really astounds is the fact that yes, the quality sucked, okay...you got a refund even if it was $13.00 in an installment payment plan...but to go through such measures...and then make them public, even when you got your refund, and got to keep the sub standard piece. I mean common.....$13.00, Dude. And where is the recast proof?
For all the talk of "community" around here, a well known, and high quality producing member was tossed under the bus pretty quickly.
Nobody is perfect you know.
Makes you wonder about all these "cyberfriends".
INHO, Bruce came forward, and was making good. Then was provoked.
I'll agree the threats of legal were bad, but to be accussed of recasting with no proof would **** me off too.
Nobody is perfect you know.
Makes you wonder about all these "cyberfriends".
INHO, Bruce came forward, and was making good. Then was provoked.
I'll agree the threats of legal were bad, but to be accussed of recasting with no proof would **** me off too.
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