Bad plot holes in good movies...

[MooCriket]

In BTTF how would Marty's parents not eventually remember meeting a guy that looked just like their teen son, who sang a popular Chuck Berry song, before Chuck Berry?

In Signs, why would aliens invade a planet that is 2/3 water...which is lethal to them without developing/wearing some type of protective equipment?

 

[firesprite]

Tony Stark should have access to all the files on his work computer at home, why would he have to return to the office to download them? Iron man.

Same for Green Hornet- if He's got the info on a camera or thumb drive, why can't he upload it to the internet on a phone or laptop?

I'm actually watching Iron Man right now. Tony was locked out of the systems thanks to Obidiah's maneuvering control of the company away from him at that time. Pepper went in with a jump drive that had code on it to hack the system so she could download the stuff on Obidiah's 'ghost drive' in the system.

 

[11051955]

Well in the first draft of BTTF, George McFly thought of Marty looking like the guy who played at the dance. In that draft there was a picture taken. George looks at it and said something to the effect," can't be." Gale and Zemeckis wrote in the script: it is.

I was talking with a friend about a couple plot holes at the ends of Part 1 and Part 3.

Part 1, where are the Libyans? The whole Fox photo center is gone. Marty runs up to Doc and they aren't in the background where they should be. I would say they got sucked into the wormhole portal, but we know that didn't happen (could you imagine if they went back to 1955, Otis Peabody would have taken care of those bastards!)

At the house Biff is outside waxing the BMW.

He comes in carrying George's novel. Biff then hands over the keys to the truck. Camera cuts to Marty getting into the garage. Now with film editing, it is possible and intended that Biff left the McFly house because he was all done. There is no Biff truck in the driveway when Jennifer walks up.

So at the end of Part 1 is fair to say that Biff left and that there was a lot of time between when Biff handed him the keys and when he walked out to the garage. However at the beginning of Part 2, Biff is still there and for some reason match books are the big rave

And some how by the end of Part 3, Biff is still at the house, waxing the truck (which has changed a third time).

I love BTTF more than anyone, and you know what, when I first saw BTTF 2, I never thought of it about Biff still being there running out. At the end of Part 3, there was so much shock over the destruction of the DeLorean, I didn't think too much of Biff still being there. It was all just to show the audience that things were normal.

The great thing about BTTF is alternate time lines can explain away most mistakes

 

[darthgordon]

In Signs, why would aliens invade a planet that is 2/3 water...which is lethal to them without developing/wearing some type of protective equipment?

Aaaaahhhhh... but the thread topic says "good movies..."

 

[Wes R]

I think that's just how his character is. He's wound up tight and far from calm. Everything seems like a crisis to him. You can see it when he's explaining the DeLorean on camera; you can see it when he finds out how much energy is required to run the time machine... he jumps around and shouts a lot like he's had too much caffiene... he's very twitchy.

Of course his character seems to have mellowed quite a bit by the end of Part III.

He calmed down after getting some...or it was the ball and chain of marriage that keeps him down :lol

 

[ShadowX81]

In BTTF how would Marty's parents not eventually remember meeting a guy that looked just like their teen son, who sang a popular Chuck Berry song, before Chuck Berry?

And then what is going to happen when he realizes his teenage son is a ringer for that guy. Usually when a man notices that his son bares a strong resemblance to his wife's ex-boyfriend, the first thought on his mind is not "time travel conspiracy".

In Signs, why would aliens invade a planet that is 2/3 water...which is lethal to them without developing/wearing some type of protective equipment?

LOL!!! I see what you mean about my question...

What I meant was, when Doc comes back from the future with the Flying Delorean and grabs Marty and Jennifer. Why the rush?

Haha, I gotcha now. I was just thinking to myself "Hes seen the movie and he really doesn't get this?"

 

[ghostryder]

Orci/Kurtzman Trek:

Nero was driven mad by the destruction of his homeworld...

He time travels into the past where Romulus still exists...

...and instead of warning his own people about their future (yes, I know he was in a Klingon prison for most of the time, but not all)...

...he focuses his rage not on saving his planet and people, but on making Spock bear witness to the same destruction...

 

[ghostryder]

And there's Kirk's escape pod landing within miles of Spock.

More:

5 Gaping Plot Holes Hollywood Knows You Won't Notice | Cracked.com

 

[Angelus Lupus]

Orci/Kurtzman Trek:

Ahem:

Aaaaahhhhh... but the thread topic says "good movies..."

:lol

 

[PHArchivist]

Speaking of T2, why doesnt the T1000 replicate the face of the cops he imitates? Neither the first one or the biker cop.

And why invest so much into creating 101 Terminator cyborgs, and still make them look like one guy? No need for dogs smelling for infiltrators, if he is big and looks exactly like the other ones before, dont let him in.

Good point. And another I never really questioned. The original Austin cop should look just like Robert Patrick!

 

[firesprite]

Speaking of T2, why doesnt the T1000 replicate the face of the cops he imitates? Neither the first one or the biker cop.

And why invest so much into creating 101 Terminator cyborgs, and still make them look like one guy? No need for dogs smelling for infiltrators, if he is big and looks exactly like the other ones before, dont let him in.

Because, I presume, they paid money for Robert Patrick to be in the movie and wanted him to actually be in it?

Seriously though, I don't think there's any sort of explanation given... maybe it's just less energy for him to hold that face and general shape?

 

[Abelugo]

I'm actually watching Iron Man right now. Tony was locked out of the systems thanks to Obidiah's maneuvering control of the company away from him at that time. Pepper went in with a jump drive that had code on it to hack the system so she could download the stuff on Obidiah's 'ghost drive' in the system.

haha thanks! Although there seem to be other holes in those two movies!

 

[Jedi2016]

Because, I presume, they paid money for Robert Patrick to be in the movie and wanted him to actually be in it?

Seriously though, I don't think there's any sort of explanation given... maybe it's just less energy for him to hold that face and general shape?

The book goes into it in more detail, even going so far as to say the film got it wrong.. in the book, he did take the shape of the first cop that came across him, that was supposed to be the Robert Patrick cop.

As far as energy consumption, it did explain that's why he changed back into Robert Patrick in the mental hospital, because it had to spread its mass out further when it was shaped like the night guard.

As for making itself bullet-proof (in reference to PHA's OP), it had no reason to. Making its surface harder would have made it get knocked further back by the impacts, rather than absorbing the impact through the liquid. Remember that bullets didn't actually hurt it in any way, they only made it slightly off-balance until it could stop and expel them (doing so "on the run" expends energy, that's why it never healed itself until it stopped moving).

The glitches at the end weren't caused by bullet impacts, it was the fact that it was frozen (solid against its will) and then shattered into a million pieces. It wasn't a "clean split" of components like it was when his hook-hand got shot off earlier in the film.

I personally miss the scene where it was "scanning" John's room. The way Robert Patrick is doing it is very unnatural, and very creepy as a result (and always with that expressionless face.. *shudder*). Makes the character more frightening, I think. Cameron says he took it out because the audience would already understand that it could "read" objects by touching them, but honestly, I never got that at all from the film, I got it from the book. The only time we really see it in action in the final cut is when it first gets into the police cruiser at the beginning, and briefly touches the computer before using it, so it can understand how the computer works before it starts pushing buttons. It's almost a throwaway motion, I bet most people don't even realize that he does it.

 

[SSgt Burton]

Star Trek II (yes... my favourite movie )-


Powerful Starfleet scanning technology but they didn't notice that the Ceti Alpha system was missing a planet? They couldn't count the number of dots?


Not to mention the catastrophic event that blew up Ceti Alpha VI, and shifted the orbit of Ceti Alpha V...

Perfectly shifted Ceti Alpha V's orbit into (now obliterated) Alpha VI's old orbit... How else could they mistake one ENTIRE FREAKING PLANET for another?


Now I'm going to pretend I never wrote this. :lol



Kevin

 

[SSgt Burton]

Speaking of T2, why doesnt the T1000 replicate the face of the cops he imitates? Neither the first one or the biker cop.

I "think" what Cameron was going for initially is that you weren't supposed to know that the T-1000 was indeed the bad guy (perhaps not even a Terminator at all).

There is some back and forth as Arnie Terminator is going through the same motions as the T-1000, gathering weapons, searching for John Connor etc.

The T-1000 assumes the identity of a cop and while he took out "Austin" the cop, you didn't really see if he had killed him (of course it becomes obvious later on when the T-1000 displays his "stabbing weapons" ability). He has to steal his gun (this mimics Kyle Reese stealing a gun from the cop in T1, also supporting the "he's not the bad guy/ Arnie is" ruse).

Besides a cop is supposed to protect us right?

In T1, Kyle Reese looks for Sarah much in the same fashion as The Terminator does. He acts like a wildman and a criminal at first, and then goes kind of stalker and creepy as he methodically follows Sarah downtown. When they both converge on her in Tech Noir, you really don't know what's up with Kyle until he blasts The Terminator with his shotgun.

So the "big reveal" in T2 that Arnie is in fact John's "protector" occurs when they both converge on John in the hallway, and surprise surprise- Arnie blasts the T-1000 with a shotgun. :rolleyes


However they totally blew this by leaking that the Arnie Terminator would be the "good guy" this time around before the movie hit the theaters. And I'm not sure what prompted Cameron to add the "Bad to the Bone" music cue, which definitely takes you out the moment and makes you "cheer Arnie."


So getting back to the original question- if the initial intention was to have you guessing whether the T-1000 was in fact a Terminator at all (and not John's new protector like Kyle was with Sarah), it wouldn't make sense to have him perfectly imitate "Austin's" face; you would know he is a Terminator or at the very least not human.

And why invest so much into creating 101 Terminator cyborgs, and still make them look like one guy? No need for dogs smelling for infiltrators, if he is big and looks exactly like the other ones before, dont let him in.

The "Future Terminator" in T1 was Franco Columbu (a different model), and they let him into the Resistance bunker. Not "every" Terminator looks like Arnold.


Kevin

 

[darthgordon]

Star Trek II (yes... my favourite movie )-


Powerful Starfleet scanning technology but they didn't notice that the Ceti Alpha system was missing a planet? They couldn't count the number of dots?


Not to mention the catastrophic event that blew up Ceti Alpha VI, and shifted the orbit of Ceti Alpha V...

Perfectly shifted Ceti Alpha V's orbit into (now obliterated) Alpha VI's old orbit... How else could they mistake one ENTIRE FREAKING PLANET for another?


Now I'm going to pretend I never wrote this. :lol



Kevin

It's very true... considering that they could do that in the original series (The Doomsday Machine comes to mind) pretty easily. You'd also think that since Chekov makes it sound like the planet has been surveyed before, they'd notice that the surface mapping was different. Even we can tell the difference between Venus and Mars today. We'd certainly notice if they changed places.

 

[MrSinistar]

Fifth Element...why did the Diva put a bomb in with her luggage? How did Leeloo know it was a bomb?

 

[darthgordon]

Okay... since we're on a Terminator kick- why would the machines make their terminators, big hulking guys that stick out like a sore thumb. I mean, not only are they huge, but I can't imagine that in the post-apocalyptic future of the Terminator movies, food and gyms are in great abundance. They’d be far less conspicuous if they were scrawny, with bad skin and losing their hair.

“Gee, there’s a 6’3” guy with a 60 inch chest… well, he looks just like everyone else, so let’s not notice him.”

I mean, I don’t think they need all the muscle, since they’re just robots underneath.

 

[Satxer]

I am gonna have to touch upon a time travel movie. The Time Machine(modern day). He just get's done talking to that psychic guy(Jeremy Irons), and he is explaining the whole Paradox thing and about the whole reason he created the machine. Soon after, he travels forward in time to see that the beasts take over the world and it is a bigger wasteland. So, he goes back to the time he talked to (Jeremy) and makes the machine go poof to destroy the creatures in his cave. Considering he JUST got done talking to Jeremy about how you can't change the past and whatnot, why didn't he realize, "Doh, I can't change the past, it is gonna happen one way or another!" Instead says: "Maybe I can change the future", he was just there in that time, and went to the past, attempting to change that future. Isn't that exactly what he got done explaining? Same reason that he kept going back to stop his wife from dying.

Oh, another one, Star Trek...7 is it? The Generations one. They figure out the plan to blow up a star to move the ribbons path. Picard says: "Why doesn't he just fly into it with a ship?" Than Data replies something about "badly damaged, or destroyed". The movie started off with them entering the ribbon and ships within it. Kirk ended up in the Nexus, and I don't know if they consider that the Enterprise was in the ribbon or just outside of it. It just seems like he could of been able to just try that and end up in the Nexus anyway?

And last: Fifth Element. The Monochiwan(sp?), gets closed in the temple, where the hell did it go!?

The second part ot this is more of a comedic value: In the basic cable showing, you see the machine that Leeloo is being reconstructed, and magically when she is naked, a console appears that wasn't there before(I think it was lower possibly), did they really think they could get away with adding a console that was seen both before and after, in a different spot?! *Again, this one is more of a joke plot hole*

Fifth Element...why did the Diva put a bomb in with her luggage? How did Leeloo know it was a bomb?

I think you have that mixed up. Leeloo grabbed a box that she believed was the stones. She tosses it to Zorg, and he takes that to the ship, returns and thats where the Mangalores activate a different case. They brought it with them.

 

[MrSinistar]

I think you have that mixed up. Leeloo grabbed a box that she believed was the stones. She tosses it to Zorg, and he takes that to the ship, returns and thats where the Mangalores activate a different case. They brought it with them.

But if Leeloo thought those were the stones, why did she risk tossing it back to Zorg?

Also, I thought that was the same case that came out of the diva's luggage.

And last: Fifth Element. The Monochiwan(sp?), gets closed in the temple, where the hell did it go!?

Yeah, what did happen to him? Obviously, he must've died being stuck there for 300 years. But, did like David move his body or something before Korben and the gang showed up? lol