Any Van Halen fans?
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jt001
Sr Member
PropMeUp, I respect your opinion, but I defer. I dunno about the "sucks" term. A kid that's been playing for 2 weeks sucks. Someone who redefined a style and re-invented guitar rock doesn't "suck" in my book. Even if it's a style that I don't like; of course, this is not the case. I am not saying that everything he did was top notch, but I gotta say the guy is good. Anyways, he plays a ton better than me, so there's a reason for me to admire him.
Tapping you say? Before Van Halen even ZZ Top had an early and simple "tapping" in a song. EVH did invented the tapping "as we know it today". Hey, he didn't re-invent the wheel, you know.
Overrated? Maybe. Great guitarist? Absolutely
PS,
I agree with jedi5150. If you can't say anything constructive, or at least something that has to deal with the topic, you should aim your comments to an "EVH sucks thread" at any other forum board. I think you were pretty rude with your comment and had nothing to do with this. You are most welcome if you change your mind and bring something constructive.
Let's get back on topic.
Jt001
Tapping you say? Before Van Halen even ZZ Top had an early and simple "tapping" in a song. EVH did invented the tapping "as we know it today". Hey, he didn't re-invent the wheel, you know.
Overrated? Maybe. Great guitarist? Absolutely
PS,
I agree with jedi5150. If you can't say anything constructive, or at least something that has to deal with the topic, you should aim your comments to an "EVH sucks thread" at any other forum board. I think you were pretty rude with your comment and had nothing to do with this. You are most welcome if you change your mind and bring something constructive.
Let's get back on topic.
Jt001
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
Jason Becker, Marty Friedman, Yngwie Malmsteen...blah blah blah. I can appreciate what they have done for guitar, but can you tell them apart from any other speedy wankmaster? Their only concern was "let's play faster" not about how they sounded, hence the reason they are not, nor ever will be, very well know guitarists outside of the guitar player's circles. You can listen to Eddie and pick his sound out, just like Hendrix, Clapton, Page, BB King and all of the other great guitar players. Are they the fastest fret smokers out there? not by a long shot, but they put everything into crafting the sound and feeling of their music, not how fast the radar gun tracks their fingers.
That said, don't forget the white stripe around the contour of the guitar on the replica. You're off to a decent start and I can't wait to see how you handle the buttons and "pick" of the Guitar Hero guitar.
That said, don't forget the white stripe around the contour of the guitar on the replica. You're off to a decent start and I can't wait to see how you handle the buttons and "pick" of the Guitar Hero guitar.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
I believe the original Frankenstrat was the white and black striped one. He was sick of everyone copying that look, masked it off and painted it red. As far as the 5150, I would start with white, then red then end up with black. Don't try to get it too perfect, as there is a lot of overspray with the black stripes. He was notoriously harsh with that guitar. I read one article where he just tossed it in the bed of his pickup and drove off, leaving the interviewer to gape at him as he did it. "It's meant to be played, man".
mike5150
Sr Member
Frankenstrat:
Step 1: Spray base coat black.
Step 2: Tape off stripes for VH1 pattern.
Step 3: Spray top coat white.
Step 4: Remove tape.
Step 5: Re-tape so new stripes show the proper mix of black and white.
Step 5: Spray second top coat red.
Step 6: Remove tape to reveal design.
5150:
Step 1: Spray base coat white.
Step 2: Tape off white stripes.
Step 3: Spray top coat red.
Step 4: Remove tape to show red base with white stripes.
Step 5: Mask off all parts of the guitar except for the area to be striped black.
Step 6: Spray second top coat black.
Step 7: Remove masking to reveal design.
Step 1: Spray base coat black.
Step 2: Tape off stripes for VH1 pattern.
Step 3: Spray top coat white.
Step 4: Remove tape.
Step 5: Re-tape so new stripes show the proper mix of black and white.
Step 5: Spray second top coat red.
Step 6: Remove tape to reveal design.
5150:
Step 1: Spray base coat white.
Step 2: Tape off white stripes.
Step 3: Spray top coat red.
Step 4: Remove tape to show red base with white stripes.
Step 5: Mask off all parts of the guitar except for the area to be striped black.
Step 6: Spray second top coat black.
Step 7: Remove masking to reveal design.
voice in the crowd
Sr Member
Great projest Rook it's looking great :thumbsup Definitely one of the most iconic guitars ever EVH is the man.
EVH may seem very overrated to people now but seriously dig out any guitar band records from before 1978 and then listen to Van Halen's debut and you will realise at the time there had been nothing like Eddie Van Halen and truly nobody touched him for years after that.
As for the modern guitar players I would doubt if any of them wouldn't list Eddie as a big influence. Remember you can see more when you stand on the shoulders of giants .
Please keep us updated with pics I love this guitar
Cheers Chris.
EVH may seem very overrated to people now but seriously dig out any guitar band records from before 1978 and then listen to Van Halen's debut and you will realise at the time there had been nothing like Eddie Van Halen and truly nobody touched him for years after that.
As for the modern guitar players I would doubt if any of them wouldn't list Eddie as a big influence. Remember you can see more when you stand on the shoulders of giants
. Please keep us updated with pics I love this guitar
Cheers Chris.
Jedi-72
Sr Member
Most guitarists today probably wouldn't cite Ed as an influence anymore than any "rap artists" would cite Muddy Waters or Jimi Hednrix as influences...and that's a good thing. That'd be like McDonald's citing filet mignon as an influence. Aside from being something that you put in your mouth, the two have little in common.
All the speed demons in the world Malmsteen, Vai...etc may be great technical players, but you tire of them rather quickly. What they lack in feel and groove isn't really subsituted for by speed. A guitarists guitarist....maybe. But after going on 20 years of playing I still can't listen to a Vai, Satch, or Malmsteen album all the way through. To me, THAT'S what makes a great musician. That's why none of those guys will ever hold a candle to Hendrix, Page, Richards, Clapton (Cream-era), or Eddie. Aside from the esoteric world of guitar geeks, who can name a single song by any of those players? Just about everyone in the world, fan or not, can name or hum at least ONE Halen, Hendrix, Stones or Zeppelin tune. Everybody. That's what great music does.
Ed may be overrated in comparison to all the type-writer players out there. But, technique will fall to feel EVERY time, and Ed has more feel in his playing than most of the guitarists of the last 30 years put together. And his rythm playing is second to none. That dude had some funk in him in his prime.
Back on topic, though. This is a fun thread with some great pics of project guitars. Awesome work. I have a striped Frakine clone that I built about 14 years ago that plays and sounds great. Still living in the dark ages without a digital camera, I can't post pics.
All the speed demons in the world Malmsteen, Vai...etc may be great technical players, but you tire of them rather quickly. What they lack in feel and groove isn't really subsituted for by speed. A guitarists guitarist....maybe. But after going on 20 years of playing I still can't listen to a Vai, Satch, or Malmsteen album all the way through. To me, THAT'S what makes a great musician. That's why none of those guys will ever hold a candle to Hendrix, Page, Richards, Clapton (Cream-era), or Eddie. Aside from the esoteric world of guitar geeks, who can name a single song by any of those players? Just about everyone in the world, fan or not, can name or hum at least ONE Halen, Hendrix, Stones or Zeppelin tune. Everybody. That's what great music does.
Ed may be overrated in comparison to all the type-writer players out there. But, technique will fall to feel EVERY time, and Ed has more feel in his playing than most of the guitarists of the last 30 years put together. And his rythm playing is second to none. That dude had some funk in him in his prime.
Back on topic, though. This is a fun thread with some great pics of project guitars. Awesome work. I have a striped Frakine clone that I built about 14 years ago that plays and sounds great. Still living in the dark ages without a digital camera, I can't post pics.
You know, I wish this thread would stop. The more I see it, the more I'm wanting to build a Frankenstrat and the last thing I ned right now is ANOTHER project. :lol
Love to see the guitars you gys have done and I can't wait to see yours, Rook.
"Aside from the esoteric world of guitar geeks, who can name a single song by any of those players? Just about everyone in the world, fan or not, can name or hum at least ONE Halen, Hendrix, Stones or Zeppelin tune. Everybody. That's what great music does. "
Great point. Ed's always been a favorite of mine. During VH's hayday, I used to look forward to each new album to hear what new technique he would come up with. "Cathedral" is an all time favorite.
-B89.
Love to see the guitars you gys have done and I can't wait to see yours, Rook.
"Aside from the esoteric world of guitar geeks, who can name a single song by any of those players? Just about everyone in the world, fan or not, can name or hum at least ONE Halen, Hendrix, Stones or Zeppelin tune. Everybody. That's what great music does. "
Great point.
Ed's always been a favorite of mine. During VH's hayday, I used to look forward to each new album to hear what new technique he would come up with. "Cathedral" is an all time favorite.-B89.
Thanks everyone. yes, I know about the white edge stripe that runs the circumfrence of the guitar.
I'm having trouble locating any maple wood in my area. Home Despot only carries oak or pine, and I'm NOT making the neck out of pine. Bleh.
And I can't believe nobody has mentiones Satriani. THAT guy knows how to play guitar. It's too bad he doesn't have the mass appeal that any "band" guitarists do. "Surfing With The Alien" is still one of my favorite Satriani albums.
Russ
I'm having trouble locating any maple wood in my area. Home Despot only carries oak or pine, and I'm NOT making the neck out of pine. Bleh.
And I can't believe nobody has mentiones Satriani. THAT guy knows how to play guitar. It's too bad he doesn't have the mass appeal that any "band" guitarists do. "Surfing With The Alien" is still one of my favorite Satriani albums.
Russ
mike5150
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jedi-72 @ Dec 15 2006, 02:52 PM) [snapback]1378712[/snapback]</div>
I don't consider myself a guitar geek but I can name songs from all those shred players you listed. Just because they can shred doesn't mean they can't play with "feel and groove". To me that sounds narrow minded to make statements like that. Then again you don't like shred and that's cool but don't sell those players short because you can't handle listening to them.
I don't consider myself a guitar geek but I can name songs from all those shred players you listed. Just because they can shred doesn't mean they can't play with "feel and groove". To me that sounds narrow minded to make statements like that. Then again you don't like shred and that's cool but don't sell those players short because you can't handle listening to them.
Jedi-72
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mike5150 @ Dec 16 2006, 04:52 AM) [snapback]1379064[/snapback]</div>
I don't consider myself a guitar geek but I can name songs from all those shred players you listed. Just because they can shred doesn't mean they can't play with "feel and groove". To me that sounds narrow minded to make statements like that. Then again you don't like shred and that's cool but don't sell those players short because you can't handle listening to them.
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I'm not selling them short as players. They can very obviously play. But they certainly don't have the appeal that somerbody like Ed and others do. As I say, they are more of a guitar geek's kind of player...and I'm a guitar geek. That's mostly where their appeal lies. Their music has a technical wizardry about it, but I think you can argue that it lacks the more elemental feel and the intangible mojo. It's kind of like comparing CGI effects to "old school". Yeah, technically it is amazing and it looks pretty, but there's something missing, something real and tangible. While you can name some tunes by these guys, most people can't. You'd be surprised how many people don't even know who they are. People remember what touches them.
When I began playing way back when, I listened to Vai and Satch, etc. The music just felt so sterile and processed to me. I lost interest in them quickly. In fact, that is how I first really began to understand "feel". I thought I was drawn to the fancy @#$%. that Ed did...the whacky tapping, bar dives, fan picking, etc.. I thought I wanted to shred. These guys did that @#$%. in spades. But it lacked something. Eventually it dawned on me that the technique wasn't what was intriguing me...it was the feel of how it was employed, it was the groove and the classical and blues roots with which Ed had infused it all. It ain't the technique...it's the feel in the hands of the guy using it. That's why to this day nodbody comes close to tapping like Ed, or using harmonics like he does, or dives, or bends. I can hear 100 players bend the same damn note and I can pick Ed out every time. The sound of that guitar is his voice.
That music (guitar only) appeals to a pretty narrow segment of people. For me, it makes me feel like it strongly emphasizes the style over substance. That's part of the reason Ed has begun to suck somewhat recently. He's developed on over-reliance on effects for his sound that saps it of the heart that so much of his earlier playing had. He's begun putting too much between what happens when his fingers hit the strings and when the sound comes out of his amp. When music begins to sound mechanical, which to me a lot of those players do, it feels less like music and more like machinery.
I don't consider myself a guitar geek but I can name songs from all those shred players you listed. Just because they can shred doesn't mean they can't play with "feel and groove". To me that sounds narrow minded to make statements like that. Then again you don't like shred and that's cool but don't sell those players short because you can't handle listening to them.
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I'm not selling them short as players. They can very obviously play. But they certainly don't have the appeal that somerbody like Ed and others do. As I say, they are more of a guitar geek's kind of player...and I'm a guitar geek. That's mostly where their appeal lies. Their music has a technical wizardry about it, but I think you can argue that it lacks the more elemental feel and the intangible mojo. It's kind of like comparing CGI effects to "old school". Yeah, technically it is amazing and it looks pretty, but there's something missing, something real and tangible. While you can name some tunes by these guys, most people can't. You'd be surprised how many people don't even know who they are. People remember what touches them.
When I began playing way back when, I listened to Vai and Satch, etc. The music just felt so sterile and processed to me. I lost interest in them quickly. In fact, that is how I first really began to understand "feel". I thought I was drawn to the fancy @#$%. that Ed did...the whacky tapping, bar dives, fan picking, etc.. I thought I wanted to shred. These guys did that @#$%. in spades. But it lacked something. Eventually it dawned on me that the technique wasn't what was intriguing me...it was the feel of how it was employed, it was the groove and the classical and blues roots with which Ed had infused it all. It ain't the technique...it's the feel in the hands of the guy using it. That's why to this day nodbody comes close to tapping like Ed, or using harmonics like he does, or dives, or bends. I can hear 100 players bend the same damn note and I can pick Ed out every time. The sound of that guitar is his voice.
That music (guitar only) appeals to a pretty narrow segment of people. For me, it makes me feel like it strongly emphasizes the style over substance. That's part of the reason Ed has begun to suck somewhat recently. He's developed on over-reliance on effects for his sound that saps it of the heart that so much of his earlier playing had. He's begun putting too much between what happens when his fingers hit the strings and when the sound comes out of his amp. When music begins to sound mechanical, which to me a lot of those players do, it feels less like music and more like machinery.
propgangsta
New Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Qui-Gonzalez @ Dec 15 2006, 05:04 PM) [snapback]1378544[/snapback]</div>
Oh yes I can. No one sounds like Yngwie. Many have tried but failed. I can spot him easily. Jason Becker and Marty Friedman had a similar style when they played together in Cacophony. But it's easy enough to tell who's who. Marty has a more asian influence. Jason had a more middle eastern influence. Both were great, but Jason was the best. It's a shame what happened to him. God bless.
Back on topic. Sorry for slamming EVH. But I had to. I think he's overrated. Period.
The guitar looks sweet though. I can appreciate the love and dedication behind this project. If I had the skills needed I'd love to replicate Uli Jon Roth's Sky guitar. Now there's a guitarist nobody can touch. He's got talent, speed and plenty of feeling to boot. He's also very innovative. Yngwie Malmsteen and Marty Friedman wouldn't sound like they do without him. Uli is a very underrated guitarist. I've played for +20 years myself so I would know.
P.S. The Yngwie of today 'sucks' compared to Yngwie pre 1986. Something happened to him after that car crash. In combination with too muhc alcohol and whatnot he lost something important. Suddenly the genious licks were replaced with senseless shredding. It's like he had to prove himself or something. Like "Look all you young wannabees, I can still play faster than you". His early stuff (Alcatrazz + 1st album) was full of shredding, but it was played with 100% feeling. And you could hear that many licks were planned, not just improvised at a whim.
Oh yes I can. No one sounds like Yngwie. Many have tried but failed. I can spot him easily. Jason Becker and Marty Friedman had a similar style when they played together in Cacophony. But it's easy enough to tell who's who. Marty has a more asian influence. Jason had a more middle eastern influence. Both were great, but Jason was the best. It's a shame what happened to him. God bless.
Back on topic. Sorry for slamming EVH. But I had to. I think he's overrated. Period.
The guitar looks sweet though. I can appreciate the love and dedication behind this project. If I had the skills needed I'd love to replicate Uli Jon Roth's Sky guitar. Now there's a guitarist nobody can touch. He's got talent, speed and plenty of feeling to boot. He's also very innovative. Yngwie Malmsteen and Marty Friedman wouldn't sound like they do without him. Uli is a very underrated guitarist. I've played for +20 years myself so I would know.
P.S. The Yngwie of today 'sucks' compared to Yngwie pre 1986. Something happened to him after that car crash. In combination with too muhc alcohol and whatnot he lost something important. Suddenly the genious licks were replaced with senseless shredding. It's like he had to prove himself or something. Like "Look all you young wannabees, I can still play faster than you". His early stuff (Alcatrazz + 1st album) was full of shredding, but it was played with 100% feeling. And you could hear that many licks were planned, not just improvised at a whim.
mike5150
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PropMeUp @ Dec 16 2006, 09:56 AM) [snapback]1379191[/snapback]</div>
I agree that Uli plays a big influence on how they sound. He is definately underrated.
Yngwie was one bad mofo back in his early days. I still like him but I'd love to see him go more back to his roots.
I agree that Uli plays a big influence on how they sound. He is definately underrated.
Yngwie was one bad mofo back in his early days. I still like him but I'd love to see him go more back to his roots.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jt001 @ Dec 17 2006, 04:23 PM) [snapback]1379939[/snapback]</div>
Yngwie Rocks...well, rocked back in the day.
A friend of mine (Ron KEEL) brought him over in the 80's for his first album with Steeler.
I was out with Yngwie's drummer just a couple months ago...says he's still going strong and living in Florida.
- Rylo
Yngwie Rocks...well, rocked back in the day.
A friend of mine (Ron KEEL) brought him over in the 80's for his first album with Steeler.
I was out with Yngwie's drummer just a couple months ago...says he's still going strong and living in Florida.
- Rylo
Darth Detroit
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jt001 @ Dec 17 2006, 03:23 PM) [snapback]1379939[/snapback]</div>
YESSS..... So did I. The best album he EVER made. :thumbsup
YESSS..... So did I. The best album he EVER made. :thumbsup
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