Anovos Stormtrooper.... thoughts?
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ggriffaw
Sr Member
I don't have an issue with the original asymmetrical armor. It was designed that way. We can see many consistent examples of those choices.
I question replicating things like strange bumps. Those don't seem like design choices. Maybe it was weathering for a particular suit. Maybe it was a flaw when making the piece. Maybe it was introduced at some point in the many years since filming. Unless it appears on multiple copies in the films, I don't think it belongs on the replicas.
I question replicating things like strange bumps. Those don't seem like design choices. Maybe it was weathering for a particular suit. Maybe it was a flaw when making the piece. Maybe it was introduced at some point in the many years since filming. Unless it appears on multiple copies in the films, I don't think it belongs on the replicas.
mortifactor
Well-Known Member
Going for the warts and all approach ensures what you have looks like what is on screen. With my RS helmet, it looks like I plucked it straight out of the screen. Other helmets don't give me that feeling, because they have been changed. Correcting them is an act of changing them. I think deep down I'd have preferred they did a better job when assembling these things 40 years ago, but they didn't... so tough haha.
I also think there is a difference between prop collectors and costumers, as well as between people who like accuracy to reality and accuracy to the fantasy. Accurate to reality (prop shop) and accurate to the fantasy (as in, an object that looks like it is plucked straight from the star wars universe, and not the star wars set) are different aims within the same hobby. I think fans of the "fantasy" outnumber fans of the "reality" (film buffs as opposed to ordinary Star Wars fans), and that will dictate the items a company like Anovos will put out.
That said, I hate looking at the symmetrical EFX helmet :lol, I imagine some people are disgusted at an RS helmet though.
I build/collect things as relics, or specimens, so being as close to the real thing as possible is very important, or it just feels like a Star Wars toy to me. No magic.
I also think there is a difference between prop collectors and costumers, as well as between people who like accuracy to reality and accuracy to the fantasy. Accurate to reality (prop shop) and accurate to the fantasy (as in, an object that looks like it is plucked straight from the star wars universe, and not the star wars set) are different aims within the same hobby. I think fans of the "fantasy" outnumber fans of the "reality" (film buffs as opposed to ordinary Star Wars fans), and that will dictate the items a company like Anovos will put out.
That said, I hate looking at the symmetrical EFX helmet :lol, I imagine some people are disgusted at an RS helmet though.
I build/collect things as relics, or specimens, so being as close to the real thing as possible is very important, or it just feels like a Star Wars toy to me. No magic.
jkno
Legendary Member
The asymmetry, the bumps, the wonkiness and roughness of Stormtrooper helmets were all design flaws, but they were also the signature of what makes these helmets and armors so iconic.
Exactly. :thumbsup
Myself being a prop collector, I am interested in as much accuracy as possible.
Going for the warts and all approach ensures what you have looks like what is on screen. With my RS helmet, it looks like I plucked it straight out of the screen. Other helmets don't give me that feeling, because they have been changed. Correcting them is an act of changing them. I think deep down I'd have preferred they did a better job when assembling these things 40 years ago, but they didn't... so tough haha.
I also think there is a difference between prop collectors and costumers, as well as between people who like accuracy to reality and accuracy to the fantasy. Accurate to reality (prop shop) and accurate to the fantasy (as in, an object that looks like it is plucked straight from the star wars universe, and not the star wars set) are different aims within the same hobby. I think fans of the "fantasy" outnumber fans of the "reality" (film buffs as opposed to ordinary Star Wars fans), and that will dictate the items a company like Anovos will put out.
That said, I hate looking at the symmetrical EFX helmet, I imagine some people are disgusted at an RS helmet though.
I build/collect things as relics, or specimens, so being as close to the real thing as possible is very important, or it just feels like a Star Wars toy to me. No magic.
Exactly. :thumbsup
Myself being a prop collector, I am interested in as much accuracy as possible.
Lichtbringer
Master Member
I´m also a collector and no costumer - i just prefer my props build in a way as if those dabblers have done the paid job right in a way as it should have been done. Not as a 12 year old who wants to make a movie with his dads 8mm camera. The ideas and designs were good, but the completion is oh so bad at many things.
Usually i start my builds as accurate as possible - but in in the process of building i correct all those sloppy work they could have corrected too, with just a little more attention to their work.
Usually i start my builds as accurate as possible - but in in the process of building i correct all those sloppy work they could have corrected too, with just a little more attention to their work.
ggriffaw
Sr Member
Wouldn't it look a little silly to have 10 stormtroopers all with the exact same flaws? That doesn't seem realistic at all. If someone wants their armor to look weathered, the weathering should not be identical on multiple copies. Where are screen shots showing multiple stormtroopers with the exact same flaws?
KrangPrime
Master Member
regarding anovos shipping..
I had the same thought as posted earlier. it seems they are announcing so much new stuff, and yet are having trouble getting stuff promised 6 months ago out the door. STOP ANNOUNCING NEW STUFF and get to work giving us what you promised months ago.
I can't help but wonder if this stupid teir system is actually hurting them. don't take orders for stuff you don't even have production shots of yet. wait till it's all done, and then release it in a free for all buy like everyone else. if your stock sells out, use the same money to restock. then you'll be able to judge what is popular and not popular and you can focus your construction efforts that way.
I don't know. as a first company buy, especially an expensive buy, anovos isn't exactly winning me over yet.
I had the same thought as posted earlier. it seems they are announcing so much new stuff, and yet are having trouble getting stuff promised 6 months ago out the door. STOP ANNOUNCING NEW STUFF and get to work giving us what you promised months ago.
I can't help but wonder if this stupid teir system is actually hurting them. don't take orders for stuff you don't even have production shots of yet. wait till it's all done, and then release it in a free for all buy like everyone else. if your stock sells out, use the same money to restock. then you'll be able to judge what is popular and not popular and you can focus your construction efforts that way.
I don't know. as a first company buy, especially an expensive buy, anovos isn't exactly winning me over yet.
Lichtbringer
Master Member
If you think you can do it better ....... go ahead. Take your money and start a company to bring us this stuff in a way you like.
KrangPrime
Master Member
not saying I can. but if you are having trouble producing stuff already announced, announcing more stuff doesn't seem like smart business sense.
cyberpyrot
Sr Member
The tweenies on this board don't seam to understand economics. Guess you have to be closer to 50 then 12 to know this. They will defend Anovos till they file chapter 11. Litchbringer I'm not referring to you.
Lichtbringer
Master Member
Oh, i´m not defending Anovos, i just try to stay unbiased to any direction. If you read my review on their FO helmet you see i´m not all hurray without any criticism.
In fact i think they try to run faster forward than their feet can - but i assume it´s not really their fault.
Wouldn´t be the first time the bigger business partner forces the smaller one "We need a broad range of products, if you don´t go with our wishes, we will find another one". And when you already placed all you money into that business you can´t simply step back, you have to try the best you can.
I don´t say that´s the story, as i don´t know .... but i wouldn´t wonder to learn it´s something that way.
In fact i think they try to run faster forward than their feet can - but i assume it´s not really their fault.
Wouldn´t be the first time the bigger business partner forces the smaller one "We need a broad range of products, if you don´t go with our wishes, we will find another one". And when you already placed all you money into that business you can´t simply step back, you have to try the best you can.
I don´t say that´s the story, as i don´t know .... but i wouldn´t wonder to learn it´s something that way.
cyberpyrot
Sr Member
I agree with with you I don't like it but what choice do we have there are 0 options. I'm not pulling out yet because of that. But my patience will only last till the end of quarter 1.
DBoz
Sr Member
There are plenty of other options for pretty much all of this stuff out there. Not necessarily at this price point, though.
The old adage comes to mind:
You can have it cheap
You can have it good
You can have it fast
Pick two.
cyberpyrot
Sr Member
Does any of those options come with a apology when they miss a ship date along with an email stating what went wrong?
Reelo
Sr Member
ggriffaw
Sr Member
I'm not confusing weathering and flaws. Neither should be present on newly produced armor unless it was a common feature on the original armor. Saying every defect on a 40 year old set of armor is screen accurate doesn't make sense. There were many more years after filming for deterioration or other things to cause defects after filming. If you want a replica of 40 year old armor, don't clean the molds up. If you want armor that likes like it did when the film was made, some clean up is necessary.
ggriffaw
Sr Member
How many ship dates have been announced? There has mostly been minimum lead times and estimates.
I'm not sure people are taking into account all of the approvals they are being required to get and the complications of scheduling the work. These aren't being built in factories Anovos controls. This is far different than someone building things in their garage with no required approvals and having more control over when the work is done.
I think one of the purposes of the preorder model is to help determine how many of the item to produce. They probably don't have the resources to sell lots of items at a loss or have huge warehouses for storing stock.
What high quality prop/costume replica company has done it better and survived for long? Most have gone out of business. There must have been issues with how they were operating, so why repeat the same mistakes?
jkno
Legendary Member
You don't get it, and simply not worth in trying to explain to you again and again. I'm talking about how the TK armor and helmet looks with the "defects" that were present back then (due to producing errors, materials quality, rush etc.), not what it could have appeared due to storage of 40 years. And yeah, the bump in the eye, the overall asymmetry in the helmet, the forearm length, the fingerprint mark, etc., are present on each and every Stormtrooper. At least 2 of these are present on Anovos too. Make your research on how the armor looked back then, and maybe we'll talk again after that - at least visit www.starwarshelmets.com.
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