Another 1/2 studio scale 1701 TOS - SHE'S DONE!!!!!

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  1. Orbital Drydock

    Orbital Drydock Active Member

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    Hi All,
    I'm new here & thought why not post my model. I Love the work I see here on the rpf & wanted to join in on the fun!
    This is the kit by "he who shall not be named". I must say I was a bit intimidated by the amount of work it would need, but enough of that.
    So here we are 4 months after start, getting ready for windows, lighting, & all the fun detail. I'm not sure even where to start on what has been done so far, The E-hull body has been completely built up & resurfaced, most of the body detail was ground off, rebuilt, or moved. All of the original parts were scrapped. They were all sculpted, or scratch built, then molded & cast. All grills for the nacelles & pylons are photo-etched brass, then painted with S.steel metalizer. The saucer is under going it's final surfacing & is almost ready for detail work & windows.
    Enough of the blather. Enjoy the pics!
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  2. Ray22

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    God *! those are some rough castings did he use concrete to make that molds?
     
  3. Orbital Drydock

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    That's what I'm thinking. Hard gypsum molds with no gelcoat. Possibly bad masters, it looks like the original was paper mache. All of the body lines are a half inch wide & look like over lapped paper.
    Hoping to get this finished soon & get one of Steve Neill's FANTASTIC 1/2 studio scale 1701 TOS.
    I'll be posting new pics soon!
     
  4. SteveNeill

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    Amazing. I like you're re-made parts better than some of my own. You have the end caps corrugation better than mine. I couldn't find anything as accurate as you have there. I might have to re-due mine for round two.

    Steve
     
  5. Orbital Drydock

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    Thanks Steve,
    For the master I made a 6 piece hard mold for the contour & corrugation, then added the extra ring in styrene, & finished up with a cue ball for the rear dome. Made a silicone mold & cast in resin.
    The styrene is HO-scale corrugated siding by JTT scenery products. I looked everywhere for the pattern & finally found it a one of the better model train shops.
    If you want to PM me I can talk a little more about it.
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  6. ZOMBIEREPELLENT

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    I applaud you for even considering trying to repair this kit. You've done an astounding job.
     
  7. IEDBOUNTYHUNTER

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    LOL, he who shall not be named. say no more. youve got your work cut out for you. looks like your doing fine.

    I use a tooling concrete for some molds, but never turned out like that.


    great so far. keep us posted on this.

    Al
     
  8. Orbital Drydock

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    Thanks guys,
    It started out as a lighting fx job, then I went on a mission.

    I've also gotten good results from tooling gypsums like hydrocal & such. I guess it really just depends on the master & condition of the mold, could be sil or gyp.
     
  9. trooper

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    i'd sure like to know....just so i dont buy from the guy.
     
  10. crackerjazz

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    Sweet buiid, Orbital Drydock!!!
     
  11. Orbital Drydock

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    Thanks CJ, it's a labor of love!

    trooper, I don't really want to discuss it here. PM me, & I'll give you the kit builders name, but still don't want to talk about it.

    I said I'd post more pics, but then I decided to head out for the weekend.
    Promise I'll do it, & make my way around some threads when I'm home.
     
  12. trooper

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  13. Orbital Drydock

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    Thanks trooper, used to play at the b-side years ago, not sure if it's there still.
    If you make it to pdx hit me up, be glad to give you a tour.
     
  14. 3d-builder

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    Yup good save so far......looking much better!
    I think at the end you could be in the running
    for the noble peace prize! Looking forward to
    the build/restoration.:thumbsup
     
  15. opal1970

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    Hey Drydock,

    looks like you have a long road ahead of you, but so far it is looking really good! I can't wait to see the next update.

    Jason
     
  16. Orbital Drydock

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    Thanks 3d & opal!
    I'm back home tomorrow & will have something new up by wed!
     
  17. Orbital Drydock

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    Hi All,
    So it's been a little longer than planned for posting, but here we go!
    The body has been cut in half for the fourth & final time. Got the aluminum support structure & lighting for the E-hull installed. Put together the brussard collector boards & leds. Here are some pics with the light test on the E-hull, my led nightmare, & the boards for the collectors. Today I'm on to full nacelle assembly & will post pics & video late tonight or tomorrow am. Sorry about pic quality my phone cam sux.
    Happy Modeling & Enjoy!

    Brett

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  18. frakme

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    Looking good so far.
     
  19. Orbital Drydock

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    Okay, okay, so I guess when I said updates tonight on my last post. I really meant next month.
    Anyway here's a photo barrage of what I've been up to.
    Some have captions, some don't.
    Yes I know the windows are over sized & rough looking. I decided to flush sand them with the body contour & use paint masking to define the window shape & size. I cheat when it comes to paint masks. I have a vinyl cutter, so it's much easier to machine cut masking in order to get a uniform window size & shape. Plus who doesn't like windows that follow the body contour!
    Thanks for looking & enjoy!
    Happy Modeling!

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    YAY Twins!

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    Brussard collector section

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    I added monocoque support ribs to stiffen the upper saucer section.
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    YAY panel lines!

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    Custom cast nav lights using clear acrylic, mixed in red & green tint with red & green leds cast into the part.

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    Shuttle bay section.
    I must say a HUGE thank you to Steve Neill, for the shuttle bay doors.
    They are from his 1/2 SS 1701 & he was kind enough to provide me with the part.
    THANK YOU STEVE!

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  20. robn1

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    Wow, talk about making a silk purse out of a sow's ear! That's great work :thumbsup
     
  21. Orbital Drydock

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    Rob, Thanks for the kind words! I've been having a lot of fun with the challenge of taking this to the next level.
     
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  22. trooper

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    man your doing some darn fine work there.
     
  23. IEDBOUNTYHUNTER

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    Looking good. Keep it coming. waiting for more.
     
  24. Gamera68

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    wow, such a HUGE project :O

    It must be over 6 feet long, since the studio model was around 11-12 feet in length, IIRC.

    I can not wait until she's all finished.

    And I thought the 1/1000 scale was a lot of work, LOL.
     
  25. KUROK

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    To take on a kit like this and do such a good job, I believe you should get builder of the year award! Your patience is amazing!!!!
     
  26. trekriffic

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    Well I have to admire your sticktoitouvness. Remarkably nice job so far.
     
  27. Orbital Drydock

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    Thanks trooper! Thought I saw you're waiting for one of steve's 1/2 SS 1701. I've had the pleasure of using a couple of his parts on this build. If they're any representation of the rest of the kit, all I can say is start getting excited!
    Thanks IED! At your request Here are more pics. I'm still getting used to being able to show off progressive build shots. A lot of the work I've done in the past, I can't even show. Too many non-disclosure agreements have been signed. I'll just say Di$ney.
    Thanks Gamera! She's a big'n, weighing in at just under 6'.
    WoW... Thanks Kurok! Belive me I didn't start out patient with this. After the first month of working on it & discovering all of it's eccentricities, I had to resign myself to a full re-design & the slow & thoughtful road.
    Thanks trekriffic! It's been a mission.


    On to the art show!
    I'll try to post at least every 2 days from here out. As the end is approaching, I have a pretty good plan on where it's going. So, more build time, less pulling out of hair & pacing. I hope.....
    I'll also try to write more captions & explanations of what I'm up to.
    Thanks again all, for the wonderful words of encouragement.
    Enjoy!




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    Here she is supported by her own structure! I will still be adding an aluminum support for more strength & rigidity.
     
  28. trooper

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    trust me, Ive got enough excitement to supply 10 people right now :lol
    i wish i had some of your skills, I am so impressed :)
     
  29. trooper

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    you need to get a video recorder, it would be nice to see :)
     
  30. Orbital Drydock

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    really do need to get something to post videos with. Right now all I have is a phone for pics & vids, it's a bit frustrating to work with.
     
  31. Ray22

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    You have done a tremendous job on this so far I remember the 1st pics of the rough casting it doesn't even look like the same model Super Job!
     
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  32. Orbital Drydock

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    Thanks Ray, I plan to do a before & after pic series when finished. something to show the massive transformation side by side.
    It's still hard for me to believe that paint is only days away!
     
  33. trooper

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    no one would believe it's the same kit if you didnt have pics to prove it :)
    simply amazing work you have done!

    ready for paint huh? thats got to be exciting :)
     
  34. Orbital Drydock

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    Thanks T,
    I even have a hard time believing it's the same kit!

    Here are more pics, should have more up tonight
    Enjoy!

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    Yay, lower saucer lights done!

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    bridge section magnetically attached, made it removable for electronics access

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    Adding in the bridge from the 1992 franklin mint model. It's pretty dang close to the right scale

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    shuttle bay section almost done, just a little cleaning up & light blocking.
    THANK YOU, STEVE NEILL FOR THE BAY DOORS!
     
  35. trooper

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    were did you get the bridge? i did some searching and didn't find anything. i would love to steal that idea from you :)

    are you going to build a landing bay? I'm seriously considering it, i need good reference pics though.

    again, very nice work!!
     
  36. Orbital Drydock

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    Hey trooper, the bridge is from the 1992 franklin mint 18" die cast. They're pretty hard to find, but can be cheap if in poor condition. They can run from $50-$500. The person I'm building the kit for had one & wanted me to use the bridge in the build.

    Shuttle bay is outside the scope of this build. Too much time on repair & reconstruction. Now if it had been Steve's kit, I'd have definitely done the shuttle bay & a whole lot more. Kinda sad I couldn't get this finished in time for Steve's run. Plan was to build this up, & use the cash to get one of his kits. Had big plans, bridge w/fiber optic lit control panels, shuttle bay with working turntable etc. More than a day late, more than a dollar short. C'est la vie.
     
  37. micdavis

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    Aren't you going to turn your bridge 26 degrees, or whatever it is?

    That round thing on the bridge dome is the Turbo Lift. It goes in the back.

    ...or has the thinking changed? I haven't built an E in 25 years.
     
  38. trooper

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    dont loose all hope yet on getting a kit, steve HAS mentioned a couple time that if he can find someone to make the molds and lay up the kits that he would sell em. i think it would be good to find some one that knows how to make vacumbag molds, they use less resin and there much less work.


    any chance you can make a mold of that bridge lol ?
     
  39. Orbital Drydock

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    It will be rotated when permanent install is done, just kind slapped it in there for the pic to show the idea.


    Had thought about it, just to have a spare in case of accidents. Ran into problems separating the handrails & decided to stop before I had that accident. With parts that small, I'd want to spincast it, & thats one toy I don't have.... yet.
     
  40. trooper

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    never heard of spin casting resin? you are talking about resin casting right? why not use a pressure chamber ?
     
  41. Orbital Drydock

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    yes resin, spincasting is using a cylindrical mold with fluid chambers that radiate from the center like spokes in a wheel. The part portion of the mold sits near the rim. The mold is mounted on a motor driven wheel & centrifugal force draws the fluid through the mold. It's more like injection molding, similar results, but no machine the size of a car.
     
  42. trooper

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    many moons ago i used to work at a steal foundry, i know what spin casting is :)
    i just never thought of doing it with resin :)
     
  43. Bryancd

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    My God, you have a bridge, that is outstanding!!!
     
  44. Caladonis

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    Love the bridge idea, good job!
     
  45. Orbital Drydock

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    Right on, yep resin indeed! I think it can be done with any fast hardening liquid.
     
  46. Orbital Drydock

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    Back with more fun! It's finally on to painting.
    Decided to paint all of the markings, instead of decals or vinyl. have a pretty decent vinyl cutter & use it for making the masks. So I've started the detail markings on the nacelles & put the first 2 coats of finish primer on the body & saucer.

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    Again I'd like to thank steve neill, the concentric rings are his second contribution to this build. THANKS STEVE!


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  47. KUROK

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    Wow! I am amazed.
    When I saw how rough this kit was when it came out, I never thought anyone would be patient enough to build one. You have not only done that but way more. Ron will be proud to see this when it's done!!!
     
  48. trooper

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    absolutely amazing :) very nice work!!
     
  49. robn1

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    Awesome work :thumbsup
     
  50. trekman1017

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    I love it, especially the painted on pinstriping
     

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