ANH VADER brushed gunmetal paint?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by paulcarson, May 20, 2006.

  1. paulcarson

    paulcarson Well-Known Member

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    I've seen one or two helmets that have had the silver/ gunmetal hand painted, one of them belonging to a member here. Does anyone else have an A new hope style vader helmet with this style?

    I ask because I'm going to paint mine the same way. ;)
     
  2. jedivigneri

    jedivigneri Well-Known Member

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    GOOD QUESTION, i know im probably gonna try it :) if it looks ratty ya did it right ;) curt


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  3. yakcam

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    I had a couple of days off last week and attempted it, I think it came out ok.....

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    I used automotive paint, I wish I hadn't, it dried too fast after painting it on (2-3 sec) and if you went over it again it would either blister or dissolve, so I had to work fast and accurate to compensate. It was a little nerve racking.

    Cheers,

    Kraig
     
  4. KevVader

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    Nice job Kraig.....craptacularily accurate.
     
  5. lambotour

    lambotour Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Here are a few shots of my WIP ANH, brush marks and all :)

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  6. kell

    kell Well-Known Member

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    Did I miss the thread on how to do it ? What's the process ? What would be best to tape off your black areas first, and then just start brushing.

    These Vaders are looking awesome .

    Kell
     
  7. phase pistol

    phase pistol Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Lambotour, is the DOME gunmetal? :eek



    - k
     
  8. paulcarson

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    Whoa. :) some seriously good work there.

    Kraig that looks brilliant. Did you mask any of the black off before painting the grey? Or was it all freehand buddy?

    lambotour thats a terrific job too. :)

    You'll have to give us a step by step on how this was done. I'm al psyched up to get my helmet going now.
     
  9. yakcam

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    That's a sweet looking job you've done there Lambotour :)

    Hey Paul. thanks for your kind comments, I really do appreciate it :$

    What I did, considering my problems with blistering, I stripped the face back to it's original gelcoat (oven cleaner works best, I used to use it on my 1:24 scale drag slotcars). Then I masked each colour off, so I didn't paint over any existing paint, so the grey is over gelcoat and the black is on gelcoat. I tried to paint it all black and do the silver over it, I got blisters...again :confused

    I did, against better judgement, mask it REALLY roughly. I did it like I didn't give a *, which I imagine would've happened in the prop dept in 1976, it was very hard to do, as I did care, it's a weird feeling.

    Thanks again :)

    Cheers,

    Kraig
     
  10. Too Much Garlic

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    Very cool looking paint jobs. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup
     
  11. TazVader

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    :) Wow guys...this stuff looks great. Looks like it rolled off the original assembly lines LOL

    Great job Kraig BTW:)

    Regards
    TAZ
     
  12. Darth Kahnt

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    Excellent work all around everyone. I am constantly impressed by all the talent here on the RPF, it never gets old.
     
  13. yakcam

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    <div class='quotetop'>(TazVader @ May 21 2006, 09:11 PM) [snapback]1247862[/snapback]</div>
    TAZ....

    How the heck are ya mate? great to know you're a member :thumbsup, Choib speaks highly of you. I hope you can make it to an amour party here in Vic sometime, it was great to meet Woppo a couple of months ago.

    Sorry about the OT folks, it's just that it's cool to know there's someone from my neck of the globe's here too.

    Anyway, I forgot to mention, the GH armour is as I got it (untrimmed) and I did do it free hand (no masking tape).

    Cheers,

    Kraig
     
  14. paulcarson

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    Kraig, thanks for the info. What type of oven cleaner did you use? I was just wondering if that is what made the paint blister? Did you spray the paint into something before brushing it on?

    Thanks. :)
     
  15. lambotour

    lambotour Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Thanks for all the kind words. Kraig excellent work on yours :thumbsup The dome is a GH, but at the moment it only has black primer on it. The faceplate is a CT converted into a ANH. I've always felt that the current faceplates out there are way too small in comparison to the screen look. I had thought my SPFX helmet was pretty close, but after a comparison with the CT, I felt it (CT) was closer in size to the original. Don't get me wrong, I love the SPFX, but the faceplate seems a little bit smaller than it should be. I believe Phil thinks the same, which is why he has widen the neck area and made modifications to his. Here's a comp, CT on left SPFX on right.:

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    I initially did something similar to what Kraig did, but opted for something different in the end. I sprayed the whole helmet in a flat black, waited several days then sanded it with 1000 grit. The light sanding gives it a worn look which is what I wanted. I then repainted it with gunmetal and waited a fews days then again sanded it with 1000 grit. I then, as Paul had asked, sprayed the gunmetal into a cup and used a fine brush and added the paintbrush marks all over the faceplate. As Kraig stated, you want to try and do a nice job, but ultimately the crappier the better :) After that I just masked off the areas for the black. I still need to remove a bit of the black on the cheeks and so forth. I actually scratched up the faceplate prior to painting it, adding the necessary indents on the cheek, noseslots etc. The knowledge of the members of this forum helps out tremendously when going for a screen look on anything, so thanks to all of you.

    Hope this helps anyone interested in doing a crappy job on their ANH helmet. Keep the pics coming. :D
     
  16. paulcarson

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    Thanks for that. :) I like the look of both of your helmets. The spfx does indeed look a lot smaller than the CT. I know that the spfx is a bit further back in the photo but you can see the difference.

    I don't suppose you could give us a closeup on the "damage" could you? Are you going to display this by itself or on a full size mannequin?
     
  17. KevVader

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    Je$u$....is that just perspective or is the SPFX THAT much smaller? :eek It looks like a DP Standard next to the CT/GH combo.
     
  18. lambotour

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    <div class='quotetop'>(KevVader @ May 21 2006, 11:24 AM) [snapback]1247936[/snapback]</div>
    Here's a side by side. Yeah in that one pic the CT looks a lot bigger, here is a more fair comp:

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    Paul, as soon as I can I'll shoot some pics of the "damaged" areas. :) BTW IMHO I don't believe the nose was painted silver on the original. Of all the screen caps and pics I've studied it appears that the nose was left the same gunmetal color as the faceplate. As you can tell I've left it gunmetal.
     
  19. HDPE

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    Awesome Pete, I think you did a great job with the combo :) .

    edited: ok nevermind and thanks for the new pic
     
  20. KevVader

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    Ahhh....that's better. Yup, the SPFX does look slightly smaller. That CT combo looks great.
     
  21. paulcarson

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    Thanks lambotour. Here's another pic request- I hope you don't mind, can you take a pic of the GH dome on the spfx please? I'm not sure if it because the dome on the spfx is smaller that the whole thing looks smaller. I'm looking forward to the new pics.

    That's a good theory about the nose being the same colour. It has certainly made me think.
     
  22. lambotour

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    No problem Paul, here are some pics. I've tried to avoid any lense distortion etc..to be fair. First off here is the CT with the SPFX dome:

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    Next are two pics of the SPFX faceplate with my GH dome:

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    And here are some of the "damaged" areas I'm still working on, since this is still a WIP.

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    Hope these help in your quest. :)
     
  23. paulcarson

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    Indeed they will. Thanks again.
     
  24. Too Much Garlic

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    <div class='quotetop'>(lambotour @ May 21 2006, 09:17 PM) [snapback]1248085[/snapback]</div>
    This combo looks pretty cool, imo. The CT is a Celtic Touch, right?

    Like the "Used Universe" look. Very impressive. And the idea about the nose being painted gunmetal... hmm... it seems plausible enough to actually be true.

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    WOAW... that GH dome looks really weird on the SPFX face. They don't seem to fit very well together, or is this effect caused by how the dome is mounted on the face?

    Some serious modding had to be done to the SPFX dome if it originated from a GH... I would personally think it would be much easier to make a new one from scratch or even from a DP DLX than to try to get the GH shaped to fit the face and look good... but that's just my opinion.
     
  25. SithLord

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    Terrific paintwork guys (nice armor, Yak.)....great comparisons Pete. Ya the SPFX faceplate being a 20th C derivative is smaller because the 20th C is smaller than the original ESB, but also smaller because it's lost size with remolding. So when compared back to an original GH helmet (dome), it will be proportionally off, which is likely why SPFX had to modify his GH-derived dome. The CT faceplate looks comparable in size to the GH faceplate....
     
  26. Too Much Garlic

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    <div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ May 21 2006, 11:16 PM) [snapback]1248154[/snapback]</div>
    To be fair. This is still at an angle and we all know that items of similar size will appear to be of different size when placed even as little as 1 centimeter apart, one further back, when comparing helmets. And to base anything on that would be unfair.
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    The GH dome sits more upright on the CT face than on the SPFX giving it a completely different look, though, I don't see any difference of the face of the CT and the SPFX compared to the dome, as SithLord does. The only thing that looks wider on the CT is the neck area. So, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. :)

    Sorry for the OT talk... now... back to business. :p
     
  27. lambotour

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    <div class='quotetop'>(NoHumorMan @ May 21 2006, 05:46 PM) [snapback]1248174[/snapback]</div>
    Very good points. I don't have time to take better pics and all, but here was a quick pic I took a couple weeks ago in reference to the faceplate size difference. CT on left SPFX on right:

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    Take from it what you will. :)
     
  28. yakcam

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    Wow, nice pics :thumbsup

    Paul, the oven cleaner I used is called "Easy Off" it's a 5min oven cleaner.

    Wow, I didn't realise that the SPFX had changed the size of the dome that much, I have one of Phil's early models and the dome's almost identical in size and shape to my GH.

    Cheers,

    Kraig
     
  29. KevVader

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    There we go......apart from the CT being a bit "chubbier" :p .....the facial dimensions look to be on par. In fact, the SPFX looks a bit taller....

    Either way, nice paintwork all 'round, boys.
     
  30. Boba Frett

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    That looks great..., I have a CT helmet also, hard to believe the dome can change the look so much.
     
  31. yakcam

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    <div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ May 22 2006, 07:16 AM) [snapback]1248154[/snapback]</div>
    Thanks SL :) I loooove my GH armour :love It's just perfect, it looked great even when it was unpainted.

    Cheers,

    Kraig
     
  32. Too Much Garlic

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    TBH it is interesting to see the various comparisons, so thanks for sharing. I don't want to sound like a big know-it-all, but I do know a little about photography and perspective and how it can drastically change an objects size and shape if one is not careful and aware of it when taking the picture and to make conclusions from such pictures should be avoided, really. Not trying to bully anyone... just saying that pictures lie... and not all are aware of it of just how much they can lie or give false impressions.

    And, like you all I love Vader and love to discuss, especially the helmet with you guys and help where ever I can to avoid misunderstandings and the like.

    It is really interesting to see the CT helmet with a different dome - I always felt the dome was its weakest part - so, to see it with alternate domes really strenghtens my love for the helmet and it's potential and how much better it can look with another and better dome. Both the GH and the SPFX domes look interesting on this helmet and is definitely worth looking into more. The CT helmet is definitely one of those I will try to obtain in the future... tbh: I would love to be able to afford all types and from all makers, but alas... since the funds do not allow it I am forced to choose. A not so easy task as it may sometimes appear. :p

    Hope to get my helmets painted up as cool as those shown in this topic. Keep up the good work... and please show more and don't feel deterred by my ramblings. Hope to show off mine soon and would definitely appreciate honest and constructive criticism. :thumbsup
     
  33. Scapey

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    I'm actually really digging the look of Vader with a matte black dome.
     
  34. lambotour

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    <div class='quotetop'>(NoHumorMan @ May 22 2006, 05:00 PM) [snapback]1248855[/snapback]</div>
    NHM you are absolutely correct in regards to perspective and photography. It's one of the reasons so many disagree on matters pertaining exclusively to ANH, especially Vader. However, I can tell you without a doubt that the SPFX dome is too small for the CT faceplate and the GH dome is too big for the SPFX faceplate. The pics posted of the domes on the faceplates are pretty much what they look like in person, but the comp between the SPFX and the CT aren't as accurate or should I say a fair comparison. I wasn't trying to show a size difference between the SPFX and the CT, just a comparison in it's simplest form. I encourage everyones input and opinions and I appreciate yours and all others. It's what makes this hobby, and this forum, such a great place.

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    Yeah I kinda like it also. It gives Vader a battle worn look IMHO. :)
     
  35. Darth Kahnt

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    <div class='quotetop'>(lambotour @ May 22 2006, 06:29 PM) [snapback]1248927[/snapback]</div>
    Well said. I'm glad this thread has been able to remain civil, unlike some others in the past which have not been so lucky. :)

    Like some other people here I have to pick and choose the lids I own due to financial constraints. I own a cking and will probably get another two at some point. I'm leaning towards a VM01 and either a JB or GH, haven't decided yet.

    Anyways, nice paint jobs guys.
     

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