ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found
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kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Hey jheilman, I thought you meant a plastic model!
Those are great, especially for the 90's! :thumbsup
Even though force lightning may strike us talking about ST here...shhhh!
Really nice work.
Hey jheilman, I thought you meant a plastic model!
Those are great, especially for the 90's! :thumbsup
Even though force lightning may strike us talking about ST here...shhhh!
Really nice work.
Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Yeah, very nice.
I'll always love that ship design.
You captured it's crisp beauty, very nice.
Are you still doing 3d compositing?
Yeah, very nice.
I'll always love that ship design.
You captured it's crisp beauty, very nice.
Are you still doing 3d compositing?
jheilman
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Not so much now. I did at my last agency job where we regularly created 3D prototypes of proposed retail products and displays prior to making the real deal. Like pre-viz for FX sequences in films.
I have a couple 3D apps still on my Macs, but way too little free time these days to even explore them. But, when I was into it, it was a blast.
Not so much now. I did at my last agency job where we regularly created 3D prototypes of proposed retail products and displays prior to making the real deal. Like pre-viz for FX sequences in films.
I have a couple 3D apps still on my Macs, but way too little free time these days to even explore them. But, when I was into it, it was a blast.
kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
ok... one more. I enhanced the images as much as I could and invite anyone to try as well. Just highlight dodging and shadow burning to bring out some detail.
Feel free to pick up the yellow out line and try it on your own photos.
At left are the enhanced photos. At right is the overlay of the same outline. Note the match of most of the break lines. Also note that dark sideways heart or arrow shaped shadow at the front of the antenna head/FH.. This shows, I think, that the two images have the same Parts showing except for the ROD in the lower shot.
I assume all the Chronicles pics were post production so I guess this makes sense.
The upper photos is one of the promo pics and has the rod.
I think these show even better that the track blade is not there. If it is not there in the lower image, it can not be there in the top view either since they were taken at the same time.
I think the top view shows the missing glue under the hollow of the Track which tells us the length ( about the length of the antenna head) and the position of the antenna and rod length.
The Rods could not extend past the small flat at the top of the receiver frame due to the case ejection of the blank fire, so they had to be shorter than the MerrSonn.
The Antenna is on the barrel still and there is no Track so it has to have been glued directly to the barrel. The Right side being slightly better protected from HF due to the scope.
If the glue fits... you must admit !
...sorry, I couldn't help myself..:lol
ok... one more. I enhanced the images as much as I could and invite anyone to try as well. Just highlight dodging and shadow burning to bring out some detail.
Feel free to pick up the yellow out line and try it on your own photos.
At left are the enhanced photos. At right is the overlay of the same outline. Note the match of most of the break lines. Also note that dark sideways heart or arrow shaped shadow at the front of the antenna head/FH.. This shows, I think, that the two images have the same Parts showing except for the ROD in the lower shot.
I assume all the Chronicles pics were post production so I guess this makes sense.
The upper photos is one of the promo pics and has the rod.
I think these show even better that the track blade is not there. If it is not there in the lower image, it can not be there in the top view either since they were taken at the same time.
I think the top view shows the missing glue under the hollow of the Track which tells us the length ( about the length of the antenna head) and the position of the antenna and rod length.
The Rods could not extend past the small flat at the top of the receiver frame due to the case ejection of the blank fire, so they had to be shorter than the MerrSonn.
The Antenna is on the barrel still and there is no Track so it has to have been glued directly to the barrel. The Right side being slightly better protected from HF due to the scope.
If the glue fits... you must admit !
...sorry, I couldn't help myself..:lol
Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
I commend you, Pat for all your detective work in trying to squeeze info out of the very poor pictures we have available, including some I scanned from halftone photos in a book. You are doing the best you possibly can.
I wish you could see the unpublished photos that are out there. Could permission for Pat to see them be arranged with the owner? Could Chris and Pat meet at the next convention where they could be shown but not copied?
I commend you, Pat for all your detective work in trying to squeeze info out of the very poor pictures we have available, including some I scanned from halftone photos in a book. You are doing the best you possibly can.
I wish you could see the unpublished photos that are out there. Could permission for Pat to see them be arranged with the owner? Could Chris and Pat meet at the next convention where they could be shown but not copied?
Brinn 71
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kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
...thanks, just messing around while waiting. It is just a puzzle to me and I distract myself with this rather than fret over other things.:lol
I think Chris can test my theories well enough. It just seems fairly clear that a lot of those jagged edges line up and show that it can't really be like we all thought it was based on that top view. It only really became clear to me when I could actually hold and turn the test model in my hand that something was wrong with the old theory and when I made my model and didn't "assume" anything that I was able to try other ideas like the glue under the Track. Until I was looking at the part and saw the hollow and thought that any dry glue/epoxy would leave a mold impression.
If the Track was made of a nylon or other "slippery" plastics, as a drawer slide should be, then glue really does not stick well.
That coupled with the nearly identical overlay of the two side pics and top pic convinced me.
Really only offering this so everyone can make the best choice while building their models.
...hey, isn't it somebody's birthday today? ( Deadbolt told me, I don't even remember my family's birthdays!)
...thanks, just messing around while waiting. It is just a puzzle to me and I distract myself with this rather than fret over other things.:lol
I think Chris can test my theories well enough. It just seems fairly clear that a lot of those jagged edges line up and show that it can't really be like we all thought it was based on that top view. It only really became clear to me when I could actually hold and turn the test model in my hand that something was wrong with the old theory and when I made my model and didn't "assume" anything that I was able to try other ideas like the glue under the Track. Until I was looking at the part and saw the hollow and thought that any dry glue/epoxy would leave a mold impression.
If the Track was made of a nylon or other "slippery" plastics, as a drawer slide should be, then glue really does not stick well.
That coupled with the nearly identical overlay of the two side pics and top pic convinced me.
Really only offering this so everyone can make the best choice while building their models.
...hey, isn't it somebody's birthday today? ( Deadbolt told me, I don't even remember my family's birthdays!)
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kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
I took some more time outlining a real big CU.
I used the top view which is a perspective view so the rear of the blaster fades into the vanishing point and gets smaller, and angled the side view so the major points line up over the length of the entire blaster.
Also note the way the shadow line on the Left side of the "blade" bends strangely toward the center. On my model the shadow/highlight line stays straight because there is nothing there to bend it.
I think that is the left over glue or discoloration from under the Left antenna.
By the way, the Scope wont line up and looks bigger because it is on a different/higher plane than the frame, closer to the lens. If you scale the scope separately it lines up as well/
I took some more time outlining a real big CU.
I used the top view which is a perspective view so the rear of the blaster fades into the vanishing point and gets smaller, and angled the side view so the major points line up over the length of the entire blaster.
Also note the way the shadow line on the Left side of the "blade" bends strangely toward the center. On my model the shadow/highlight line stays straight because there is nothing there to bend it.
I think that is the left over glue or discoloration from under the Left antenna.
By the way, the Scope wont line up and looks bigger because it is on a different/higher plane than the frame, closer to the lens. If you scale the scope separately it lines up as well/
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deadbolt
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
The Interest Thread has been started in the Junkyard, and the link is in the first post. :thumbsup
We decided to start it now because most machinists seem to need a rough estimate of orders for a run...Plus it seemed to be a good day for it anyways!
-Carson
The Interest Thread has been started in the Junkyard, and the link is in the first post. :thumbsup
We decided to start it now because most machinists seem to need a rough estimate of orders for a run...Plus it seemed to be a good day for it anyways!
-Carson
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kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
...that's great Carson.
As Carson said in the interest thread, I think we will try and offer the parts as a complete "kit" with everything needed to convert a Mauser model and barrel type of your choosing. ( either fit or sleeve) and also A la Cart' .
We can see how the interest thread goes and how we can get the best prices.
Really nice job on the interest thread Carson!
...that's great Carson.
As Carson said in the interest thread, I think we will try and offer the parts as a complete "kit" with everything needed to convert a Mauser model and barrel type of your choosing. ( either fit or sleeve) and also A la Cart' .
We can see how the interest thread goes and how we can get the best prices.
Really nice job on the interest thread Carson!
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kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
...as for my last sight post, IF those are indeed the same highlights and landmarks seen on the side and top views, and I believe they are, then the Track Blade simply can not be there, since we would be seeing through it on the side view... unless they have some sort of cloaking devise installed...
Even if just the rear scalloped edges are the same on the side and top, and they do match, then the presumption of the Track blade shape can't be correct.
...as for my last sight post, IF those are indeed the same highlights and landmarks seen on the side and top views, and I believe they are, then the Track Blade simply can not be there, since we would be seeing through it on the side view... unless they have some sort of cloaking devise installed...
Even if just the rear scalloped edges are the same on the side and top, and they do match, then the presumption of the Track blade shape can't be correct.
kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Just for clarity sake, I think this image shows that the sight was broken by the time they filmed the cantina scene. Even thought it is very grainy and dark, when enhanced, you can see only the Right antenna, also note that the "slide" or bolt is silvery rather than black for your models and the "extractor", that thin funny looking thing on top of the slide is darker.
Just for clarity sake, I think this image shows that the sight was broken by the time they filmed the cantina scene. Even thought it is very grainy and dark, when enhanced, you can see only the Right antenna, also note that the "slide" or bolt is silvery rather than black for your models and the "extractor", that thin funny looking thing on top of the slide is darker.
kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
a little better image quality and a comparison between the top views.
The little highlight on the rear of the antenna head is in the cantina image too.
I cant see any track in this shot. No outline at all. Just the antenna off to the side.
If there is no track here, can there be any in the other pics?
Maybe someone can get a better image of this frame from the Bluray?
a little better image quality and a comparison between the top views.
The little highlight on the rear of the antenna head is in the cantina image too.
I cant see any track in this shot. No outline at all. Just the antenna off to the side.
If there is no track here, can there be any in the other pics?
Maybe someone can get a better image of this frame from the Bluray?
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kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
So the interest thread is up and we are off to the races.
Just to remind everyone looking and waiting what we are trying to make:
A full set kit of all the parts needed to convert a Mauser model to a DL44 type blaster that is as close to the HERO as possible to date.
This is our opportunity to get the most accurate parts ever made, made.
The set will consist of aluminum parts, although Steel parts will be available.
The MOUNT, Grill, Antenna and Track will be aluminum.
The Scope will be a SEE through with acrylic lenses and accurate reticle.
The Scope will have an aluminum body tube with brass ends and a turn-able brass knob and knob base with accurate knurling (hopefully) and engraving.
Plastic Grill and CommLink tube will be available as well.
The "kit" will probably be be the easiest and least expensive way to go as it seems we can get the best prices that way, and this kit will fit the Aluminum Mauser model perfectly if we get a chance to make it.
Hopefully we get enough interest that we can start the first run shortly!
It should be awesome!
Anyone know if we can link to the interest thread in these posts to make it easier to find?
So the interest thread is up and we are off to the races.
Just to remind everyone looking and waiting what we are trying to make:
A full set kit of all the parts needed to convert a Mauser model to a DL44 type blaster that is as close to the HERO as possible to date.
This is our opportunity to get the most accurate parts ever made, made.
The set will consist of aluminum parts, although Steel parts will be available.
The MOUNT, Grill, Antenna and Track will be aluminum.
The Scope will be a SEE through with acrylic lenses and accurate reticle.
The Scope will have an aluminum body tube with brass ends and a turn-able brass knob and knob base with accurate knurling (hopefully) and engraving.
Plastic Grill and CommLink tube will be available as well.
The "kit" will probably be be the easiest and least expensive way to go as it seems we can get the best prices that way, and this kit will fit the Aluminum Mauser model perfectly if we get a chance to make it.
Hopefully we get enough interest that we can start the first run shortly!
It should be awesome!
Anyone know if we can link to the interest thread in these posts to make it easier to find?
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avbat
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
So what is the likelyhood that the Mauser will be offered anytime soon? I realize this is really for just the conversion kit but should we all go out and buy denix models if we are starting from scratch? I don't wanna buy the parts kit and then have no gun to put it on.
So what is the likelyhood that the Mauser will be offered anytime soon? I realize this is really for just the conversion kit but should we all go out and buy denix models if we are starting from scratch? I don't wanna buy the parts kit and then have no gun to put it on.
kpax
Sr Member
Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
If we get enough people interested we can make the Mauser. With Carsons 3d model, it should be as accurate as a real Mauser, better than the MGC and Denix for sure but The Denix' is always available. We figure an estimate for the Aluminum Mauser would be roughly what you may be able to find (if you can) a MGC and a lot less than a decom or real Mauser.
We will know soon if we get to make these!
Of course they could be used for several different models including the DL44, MerrSonn, Sitting Target and Naked Runner and even the Bunker gun!
If we get enough people interested we can make the Mauser. With Carsons 3d model, it should be as accurate as a real Mauser, better than the MGC and Denix for sure but The Denix' is always available. We figure an estimate for the Aluminum Mauser would be roughly what you may be able to find (if you can) a MGC and a lot less than a decom or real Mauser.
We will know soon if we get to make these!
Of course they could be used for several different models including the DL44, MerrSonn, Sitting Target and Naked Runner and even the Bunker gun!
Lichtbringer
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Maybe, but it should be mentioned that only a few Blaster were build on live firing Mausers - the others were build on MGCs, and nothing is closer to an MGC than a MGC.
Maybe, but it should be mentioned that only a few Blaster were build on live firing Mausers - the others were build on MGCs, and nothing is closer to an MGC than a MGC.
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