wuher da brewer
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Very awesome kpax! I'm loving your progress.
Very awesome kpax! I'm loving your progress.
ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found
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kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
I'm sure they can be attached many ways. Epoxy would work well.
I think we should glue the RIGHT antenna and T Track blade on with Epoxy and the Left antenna on with bubble gum so it falls off just like the real one...:lol
I am making a "sight unit" that should be easier to use. I'll post when I get it done.
I'm sure they can be attached many ways. Epoxy would work well.
I think we should glue the RIGHT antenna and T Track blade on with Epoxy and the Left antenna on with bubble gum so it falls off just like the real one...:lol
I am making a "sight unit" that should be easier to use. I'll post when I get it done.
kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Ok... so I cast the antenna parts and Track and experimented a bit since I was not convinced how the antenna sat on the blaster.
I offer these photos and opinions for comment and consideration.
First, The MerrSonn, shown with Full T Track and then with base cut off.
Second, The MerrSonn as compared to the promo shot, note match.
The MerrSonn had to be this way, with the Antenna sitting on the barrel, not the track base.
This is how the sight would look if it had the full Track with antenna sitting on the base.
Way too high and would be obvious.
This shows the antenna head only... and the right antenna with Track blade for comparison in "best location"
This shows the different possible positions and configurations that the antenna/Track could have been...
This shows the "best configuration" ( IMO)
Above you see the position with the Track blade and without (only glue) If this were epoxy there would be more.
Here it lines up perfectly. The rest of the junk there is glue residue.
Lines up perfect here. Note detail of the barrel and chamfer looking like it "could be" the Track base.
To me, this is how the front sight unit had to be originally made...more or less.
It seems that the only way the antenna remnants line up correctly is if the Track base was cut off at the base radius as shown. This way the antenna head lines up with the HERO top view perfectly and if "broken" off the residue of the blade would show in the same spot as above...and it looks reasonable.
Makes sense to me... how bout you guys?
Ok... so I cast the antenna parts and Track and experimented a bit since I was not convinced how the antenna sat on the blaster.
I offer these photos and opinions for comment and consideration.
First, The MerrSonn, shown with Full T Track and then with base cut off.
Second, The MerrSonn as compared to the promo shot, note match.
The MerrSonn had to be this way, with the Antenna sitting on the barrel, not the track base.
This is how the sight would look if it had the full Track with antenna sitting on the base.
Way too high and would be obvious.
This shows the antenna head only... and the right antenna with Track blade for comparison in "best location"
This shows the different possible positions and configurations that the antenna/Track could have been...
This shows the "best configuration" ( IMO)
Above you see the position with the Track blade and without (only glue) If this were epoxy there would be more.
Here it lines up perfectly. The rest of the junk there is glue residue.
Lines up perfect here. Note detail of the barrel and chamfer looking like it "could be" the Track base.
To me, this is how the front sight unit had to be originally made...more or less.
It seems that the only way the antenna remnants line up correctly is if the Track base was cut off at the base radius as shown. This way the antenna head lines up with the HERO top view perfectly and if "broken" off the residue of the blade would show in the same spot as above...and it looks reasonable.
Makes sense to me... how bout you guys?
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kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
thanks... I just can't seem to make it work and make sense any other way.
...if the shoe fits....throw it!
It looks like the Track blade length is shorter than my model and may have bee cut to the same length as the antenna head (which makes sense) and some evidence can be seen on the HERO pic.
thanks... I just can't seem to make it work and make sense any other way.
...if the shoe fits....throw it!
It looks like the Track blade length is shorter than my model and may have bee cut to the same length as the antenna head (which makes sense) and some evidence can be seen on the HERO pic.
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lonepigeon
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The t-track base was not trimmed, just the fin/vertical.
The visible line is the edge of the track.
Carson has it correct here:
Here's a more accurate outline on the ref photo.
The t-track base was not trimmed, just the fin/vertical.
The visible line is the edge of the track.
Carson has it correct here:
-Carson
Here's a more accurate outline on the ref photo.
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kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Hi Chris,
as you can see from my comparison, it is not possible for the antenna to be sitting on the track base, they would be sitting WAY too high.
The pic you show seems reasonable but the track outline is too small.
There is no evidence seen (on any of the pics I posted) that the antenna is sitting on the base of the track and couldn't be and still have the antenna heads seen where they are.
The base had to be trimmed as I show. Even if they just sanded the base thinner, then the track blade would not be tall enough.
Our Track is based on the MerrSonn pics that show the track about the same height as the FH off the barrel. And on the MerrSonn there is no base seen.
My model comparisons show how it would look if it were there. The Antenna would be too high if they sat on the track base.
Maybe the Blade is not T Track at all, doesn't really matter what it is, but the size and shape are fairly evident.
I can see no evidence of the track base on the HERO top shot, only a shadow/highlight line (which curves near the FH implying glue from the antenna head) , on my model it stays straight.
No Hero pics show any hint of a T track base clearly so I am curious why you are so sure how it is/was. Are there better pics showing this area in finer detail? Especially if it was broken off, how would we know if it was cut or broken?
Again, If the antenna were on the track and it was impacted, the whole thing would come off and not leave just one antenna head... and I can't see how the track is so fragile (that's Italian) that it breaks so easily on the HERO but flexes enough to bend into the holes of the Sterling blaster.
(waving hand in front of face)
"There is no track base" "this is not the sight you are looking for"
It just does not work any other way, I tried every possibility, everything lines up and makes sense the way I laid it out.
I am open to the truth and anything that is correct. Show me some proof and I will be the first to admit my error, but for now, I can see no other way it could fit and work.
Hi Chris,
as you can see from my comparison, it is not possible for the antenna to be sitting on the track base, they would be sitting WAY too high.
The pic you show seems reasonable but the track outline is too small.
There is no evidence seen (on any of the pics I posted) that the antenna is sitting on the base of the track and couldn't be and still have the antenna heads seen where they are.
The base had to be trimmed as I show. Even if they just sanded the base thinner, then the track blade would not be tall enough.
Our Track is based on the MerrSonn pics that show the track about the same height as the FH off the barrel. And on the MerrSonn there is no base seen.
My model comparisons show how it would look if it were there. The Antenna would be too high if they sat on the track base.
Maybe the Blade is not T Track at all, doesn't really matter what it is, but the size and shape are fairly evident.
I can see no evidence of the track base on the HERO top shot, only a shadow/highlight line (which curves near the FH implying glue from the antenna head) , on my model it stays straight.
No Hero pics show any hint of a T track base clearly so I am curious why you are so sure how it is/was. Are there better pics showing this area in finer detail? Especially if it was broken off, how would we know if it was cut or broken?
Again, If the antenna were on the track and it was impacted, the whole thing would come off and not leave just one antenna head... and I can't see how the track is so fragile (that's Italian) that it breaks so easily on the HERO but flexes enough to bend into the holes of the Sterling blaster.
(waving hand in front of face)
"There is no track base" "this is not the sight you are looking for"
It just does not work any other way, I tried every possibility, everything lines up and makes sense the way I laid it out.
I am open to the truth and anything that is correct. Show me some proof and I will be the first to admit my error, but for now, I can see no other way it could fit and work.
kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Here is the model with the track set off center like the drawing by Lonepigeon and Deadbolt above.
Note that the FH and track are centered the same in both images
The track in the drawing is too small therefore the "edge" and blade is wrong.
Also note the side view again and see how high the track and antenna would sit if on the track base. Very noticable and not the same as either the MerrSonn or HERO.
I know the guys making these props weren't super neat, but why would they glue it on Soooo crooked?
From your drawing, do you think the track was left square at the rear or cut at an angle? Your image suggests that it was left square like the MerrSonn but the side view does not show that.
Here is the model with the track set off center like the drawing by Lonepigeon and Deadbolt above.
Note that the FH and track are centered the same in both images
The track in the drawing is too small therefore the "edge" and blade is wrong.
Also note the side view again and see how high the track and antenna would sit if on the track base. Very noticable and not the same as either the MerrSonn or HERO.
I know the guys making these props weren't super neat, but why would they glue it on Soooo crooked?
From your drawing, do you think the track was left square at the rear or cut at an angle? Your image suggests that it was left square like the MerrSonn but the side view does not show that.
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deadbolt
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Just curious, does anyone happen to know if any differences have been spotted between ANH T-track and ESB/ROTJ track?
Our track is based mostly on ROTJ/ESB references since those are the best photos available for us to work from for T-track. Which in this case is ROTJ proportioning and ESB scaling. :thumbsup
-Carson
Just curious, does anyone happen to know if any differences have been spotted between ANH T-track and ESB/ROTJ track?
Our track is based mostly on ROTJ/ESB references since those are the best photos available for us to work from for T-track. Which in this case is ROTJ proportioning and ESB scaling. :thumbsup
-Carson
lonepigeon
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
I might have the ridge thickness off, but that long highlight is definitely on the ridge and it extends past the base. My drawing is based on the actual photo which is clearer than the Chronicles scan, but some stuff is still lost to the darkness. I only reposted it on top of your scan because I don't have permission to post the original.
Here's a second attempt highlighting some faint, but sharp value differences that might be edges. I'm positive about the outline of the antenna head - that much is very clear in the original pic (yours is too large and drawn too far to the right).
Carson's 3D model works well and matches up with pics so I don't see why you can't make it work.
Carson - Is the track scaled correctly in our 3D image?
The base should be about 1/2 inch wide.
As to why the sight broke the way it did...
T-track is rigid. It was heated and bent into the Sterling holes. Once cooled is holds very tight and you don't even need glue. I'm not sure if it's rigid/brittle enough to break on impact. It may have been cut or broken accidentally in a more direct way like pliers or vise (might explain the two scalloped shaped cuts in the right outlined above). It's easy to see how the antenna fell off since there is very little surface area to adhere to.
PS - T-track matches up in ANH, ESB and ROTJ. There are good ANH E-11 blaster pics that confirm the dimensions.
I might have the ridge thickness off, but that long highlight is definitely on the ridge and it extends past the base. My drawing is based on the actual photo which is clearer than the Chronicles scan, but some stuff is still lost to the darkness. I only reposted it on top of your scan because I don't have permission to post the original.
Here's a second attempt highlighting some faint, but sharp value differences that might be edges. I'm positive about the outline of the antenna head - that much is very clear in the original pic (yours is too large and drawn too far to the right).
Carson's 3D model works well and matches up with pics so I don't see why you can't make it work.
Carson - Is the track scaled correctly in our 3D image?
The base should be about 1/2 inch wide.
As to why the sight broke the way it did...
T-track is rigid. It was heated and bent into the Sterling holes. Once cooled is holds very tight and you don't even need glue. I'm not sure if it's rigid/brittle enough to break on impact. It may have been cut or broken accidentally in a more direct way like pliers or vise (might explain the two scalloped shaped cuts in the right outlined above). It's easy to see how the antenna fell off since there is very little surface area to adhere to.
PS - T-track matches up in ANH, ESB and ROTJ. There are good ANH E-11 blaster pics that confirm the dimensions.
kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Thanks for adding in Chris. I'm just trying to get it right. I appreciate you joining in the discussion.
The track base is approx 1/2 inch as you suggest so that's close enough. The height is about the height of the FH off the barrel which matches the MerrSonn.
Bu the way, do any top views of the Merrsonn exist? The real props still exist, anyone want to go to Skywalker and snap a few pics.
In my images it seems clear that the antenna can not be on the track on the MerrSonn because you would see the edge.
Thanks for adding in Chris. I'm just trying to get it right. I appreciate you joining in the discussion.
The track base is approx 1/2 inch as you suggest so that's close enough. The height is about the height of the FH off the barrel which matches the MerrSonn.
Bu the way, do any top views of the Merrsonn exist? The real props still exist, anyone want to go to Skywalker and snap a few pics.
In my images it seems clear that the antenna can not be on the track on the MerrSonn because you would see the edge.
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kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Here is a comparison so we can visualize the landmarks better on the top view.
With this it is pretty clear where different highlights match up.
In this side comparison, the main features all line up fairly well , allowing for some slight camera angles, and it is clear that unless it was a magic antenna, The antenna could not be sitting on the base of the track, it sits noticeably higher than on the HERO.
Note the antenna ROD height as well. Way too high off the receiver.
Here is a comparison so we can visualize the landmarks better on the top view.
With this it is pretty clear where different highlights match up.
In this side comparison, the main features all line up fairly well , allowing for some slight camera angles, and it is clear that unless it was a magic antenna, The antenna could not be sitting on the base of the track, it sits noticeably higher than on the HERO.
Note the antenna ROD height as well. Way too high off the receiver.
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kpax
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(from Lonepigeon above) Here's a second attempt highlighting some faint, but sharp value differences that might be edges. I'm positive about the outline of the antenna head - that much is very clear in the original pic (yours is too large and drawn too far to the right).
I don't see how my drawing too large and too far right? I think it's right on top of your latest drawing or close enough for government work...
Originally it was posted that the antenna was smaller and more toward the center.
I think it was me who pointed out a while back, the highlight of the ball end of the antenna as shown here.
Just the fact that the antenna would sit too high if on the base of the track means that the position can not be correct.
In order for the antenna to match the top and side photos, it has to be sitting on the barrel.
I see no evidence of any ridge line to the right of the center line in the top view at all.
Have a look at the comparison views and let me know what you think.
(from Lonepigeon above) Here's a second attempt highlighting some faint, but sharp value differences that might be edges. I'm positive about the outline of the antenna head - that much is very clear in the original pic (yours is too large and drawn too far to the right).
I don't see how my drawing too large and too far right? I think it's right on top of your latest drawing or close enough for government work...
Originally it was posted that the antenna was smaller and more toward the center.
I think it was me who pointed out a while back, the highlight of the ball end of the antenna as shown here.
Just the fact that the antenna would sit too high if on the base of the track means that the position can not be correct.
In order for the antenna to match the top and side photos, it has to be sitting on the barrel.
I see no evidence of any ridge line to the right of the center line in the top view at all.
Have a look at the comparison views and let me know what you think.
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deadbolt
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Thanks for the help, Chris. The T-track model is scaled to 12.7mm wide, which as it turns out is exactly 1/2". So no issue there I guess. Oddly enough even with the track crooked on Pat's barrel it looks noticeably wide compared to the hero's track.
It seems crooked or not, the T-track may possibly require at least one side trimmed down some to match the photos.
Pat, when viewing from the side does the single right antenna and center-strip height match up when the track is crooked? When the track is rotated around the barrel it should have a slight horizon-ish effect dropping the antenna down enough to roughly compensate for the height of the track base. How does it look on your setup?
-Carson
Thanks for the help, Chris. The T-track model is scaled to 12.7mm wide, which as it turns out is exactly 1/2". So no issue there I guess. Oddly enough even with the track crooked on Pat's barrel it looks noticeably wide compared to the hero's track.
It seems crooked or not, the T-track may possibly require at least one side trimmed down some to match the photos.
Pat, when viewing from the side does the single right antenna and center-strip height match up when the track is crooked? When the track is rotated around the barrel it should have a slight horizon-ish effect dropping the antenna down enough to roughly compensate for the height of the track base. How does it look on your setup?
-Carson
deadbolt
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Sounds great, can't wait to see how it looks!
I agree that the crooked track doesn't seem to match the Merr Sonn's setup very well. Actually, from what I can tell your Merr Sonn setup might be spot on. With both antennas on the barrel against the trimmed t-track, it appears to match the Merr Sonns perfectly from the side! :thumbsup
-Carson
Sounds great, can't wait to see how it looks!
I agree that the crooked track doesn't seem to match the Merr Sonn's setup very well. Actually, from what I can tell your Merr Sonn setup might be spot on. With both antennas on the barrel against the trimmed t-track, it appears to match the Merr Sonns perfectly from the side! :thumbsup
-Carson
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