ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by deadbolt, Jun 10, 2011.

  1. chubsANDdoggers

    chubsANDdoggers Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    That chronicles book is outstanding! I payed close to $100 for it when I got it but it does have some nice pictures of the blasters. Not a lot though and they all can be found online if you look hard enough. Here is the best from the book IMHO.. 87A5764A-64E8-4E75-8005-0EADD7A643E7.jpeg
     
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  2. chubsANDdoggers

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    That looks great! Did u just sand it down by hand? And are those the DEC grips on ur MGC? Really nice looking build Dann !
     
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  3. Dann

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    Yeah, that was all hand-sanding, it took a long time!

    Thanks, I think it looks much better with a smooth cradle/mount.

    Those ARE DEC grips! I have two sets, for my two MGCs. It's funny you ask about them, because after I posted my latest photos of the Hero, I went to work dulling the glossy finish on those grips.

    Kpax, would you be alright with sharing what magnets you used for the front sights, and where you got them? I'd love to give them a try!
     
  4. kpax

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    The magnets I used were taken from a used small gift box with magnet closure. The kind that they put in a cardboard flap.

    It was very thin. Maybe 1mm thick.? I’ll have to try and measure if I have any left.

    The magnet is brittle and I just snapped it into several pieces that fit the bottom of the sight assembly. I think they are NdFeB magnets.

    I made a mold of the sight assembly with full blade and antenna s. And clayed the assembly on top of the actual bull barrel for the correct shape to seat the sight. After the mold was made, I would pour the resin in the mold and use the bull barrrl as the core with the magnet stuck to it. When cured, the mold can be pulled off and the part pealed off the steel barrel with a perfect tight fit I used a black resin so it matched the Tomtitt parts with no painting.
     
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  5. Dann

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    What a brilliant bunch of ideas, and great execution!!
     
  6. chubsANDdoggers

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    Dann you’ve inspired me to have a go at my FM mount but man that is a LOT of sanding! Still need to sand it some more. How did you get urs so smooth??!
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  7. chubsANDdoggers

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    Here is something I’ve just started doing for the extraction mark. Milling in the detail then added the extraction mark on the denix separately. The build is a custom bespin I did for someone (forgive the greeblies) but I think the end result looks pretty good.. 1BFC1071-1C09-4A08-BCC1-D45DF08F2EBD.jpeg
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  8. RodanAZ

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    Looks great!

    How do you remove the bolt on a Denix? I can't for the life of me figure it out, and I haven't been able to find the info anywhere online...
     
  9. chubsANDdoggers

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    RodanAZ its not that difficult but can be bit confusing. Ur best best is to separate the denix into two parts then pull out the rod in the back with plyers or using a vice grip. I’d show a picture but all my Denixs are already pulled apart and modified. Maybe some here has some pics handy to share?
     
  10. RodanAZ

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    So the rod pulls forward out of the back end of the bolt? And then you work it out the side?

    I figured it was something like that, but mine is stuck in there good... none of the tools I can get in there have been able to budge it.
     
  11. chubsANDdoggers

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    RodanAZ this is how I go about it if I can’t simply just pull it out. I put this one back together so I could share these pics. I’m not the first to do this I’m sure but it works for me 100% of the time. Hope this helps! E33A2D51-8341-477E-839E-ABE9372F302E.jpeg 1D1FD18B-DAB2-4033-8F7C-491F0C8601DE.jpeg 1B127ACF-573F-4552-BE33-1AF90BF19048.jpeg B9288900-099B-4AC2-BBE6-084D5A7B8828.jpeg
     
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  12. halliwax

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    It’s a huge pita to extract that pin...
     
  13. thegnome

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    I just shaved mine off using a multimaster. That and the dremel are the only two tools that actually do all the jobs that they were designed to do. That thing is the best. I am almost done with finishing off the final touches on the barrel inside bull barrel connecting to body. All I need to do after is to put engravings on the bottom and spray paint the body the barrel and the scope. A few hours left.... except the sight, shaving off the screw from the bottom part of the barrel, the trigger, the thing on the of the thing where you put the bullets after making a drop to put it in. lol
     
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  14. Gregatron

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    Getting the pin out of the bolt is tough enough, but, If you accurize the nub by removing material to make it flush with the rear of the bolt, it’s REALLY tough.
     
  15. chubsANDdoggers

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    If it’s shaved down drill into it with 2/56 drill bit. Tap the hole, screw in a 2/56 screw and take it out the same way I showed as above
     
  16. Gregatron

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    My build is long since done, but that’s good advice for my eventual ESB version!

    Part of the problem is that I didn’t start with an intact Denix. I bought Field Marshall’s pre-milled and modified version, which already had the pin nub machined down flush to the rear of the bolt. Getting it out to begin with was therefore a chore, and the process actually destroyed the pin itself. I had to attach the remaining nub to a steel rod cut to the proper length in order to replace the pin.
     
  17. RodanAZ

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    OK, that makes much more sense... thanks for posting those!

    Mine is also a Field Marshall modified version, so getting the pin out may be more work than it's worth.
     
  18. Dann

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    After hours of sanding, I sanded it for a few more hours.

    Then took it to the buffing wheel on my bench grinder.
     
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  19. chubsANDdoggers

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    Ya that was a lot of time well spent.. F8B7ACEA-1F8E-4F13-90F8-B3759E0D2C9F.jpeg
     
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  20. chubsANDdoggers

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    Recently when watching SW I noticed something that seems odd. The rail looks pretty weathered in what is the only real clear shot of this blaster. Now this picture I believe is one of the last known photos taken of this blaster by Bapty & Co before it went AWOL.. BDADE0C5-713D-4BFE-893E-E4A26F4ADBDE.jpeg
    But in the film it’s seem strange that we don’t see any glare or shine coming from that area of the blaster in all it’s scenes. I realize these are not the cleanest images but you’d think you’d still see something.. F479A3E5-0BB3-47CB-9F3E-CC73B1E8028C.jpeg C002EC05-4E4E-4B5F-A1F2-DB0E92CBA11B.png 6AF82658-A0CF-4426-AD8D-778B4DE500FB.jpeg BDF4BF03-9CBD-4AF2-8DC7-B0D6B161843B.jpeg 6E49E632-F221-4EB8-968B-43B142E48B11.jpeg F4E152D9-22BD-46A9-B6E7-5EA2ACBA504E.jpeg

    In all these scenes that follow you can see the glare from other parts of the Mauser that shows it’s metal. In this first pic you can even see the glare from the front of the rail where some silver shines through but not on the side. In the rest the silver shines pretty bright.. B0301FB7-E6D4-4A15-B6FA-A6D995511F29.jpeg 2EC687A8-4CD2-4295-97C4-B6A952B35747.jpeg 234BB6B5-3683-4119-B2DB-CCDE73ECB2DB.jpeg E910975C-565E-4746-9F7D-F9A368DDF52B.jpeg C187E9B7-22A3-43D6-84D9-AFE106ADF316.jpeg C3BF1A9F-7949-415E-8D16-08EC21FE1BF9.jpeg

    Why is this do you think?? Simply lighting or something else?
     

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  21. DarthWilder

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    ^^ I believe that the paint was still fresh during filming and was not nearly as distressed as shown in post-production reference photos. Perhaps the gun was broken down by Bapty after filming ended, and its parts were thrown in a bin. Then Lucas asked for some reference photos of the blaster; so Bapty hastily reassembled the gun. And that's where the additional stressing comes from? We'll never know for sure.
     
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  22. Dann

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    I think that's possible, but the lighting has a lot to do with it.

    I feel like I can see some wear on the right side of the crossbar next to the cradle in one pic you posted.

    But yeah, it likely wasn't quite so beat up during most of the filming.

    I'm betting it looked more like this during filming.
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  23. kpax

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    The images of the ANH hero blaster are what we believe are the Post-Production blaster as it was returned to Bapty.
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    The Greedo cantina scene was shot in two parts essentially. The CU images of Han unsnapping the holster and pulling the blaster from the holster were shot in the US with a different prop blaster. These were shot as "pick-up" shots to detail the action. Since they could not ship the original prop to the US since it was a "live fire gun" and UK rules would not allow it, the production effects guys built another prop to stand in for the original. They used an MGC model and added the scope, grill and FH as seen and known as the Greedo blaster seen bottom LEFT in the image above.

    WHY the prop guys couldn't get closer to the original "look" of parts is a mystery. I am sure they didn't figure we would be looking so close NOW ! ; )

    The crossbar damage is due to removing the scope mount cradle. I noted the damage in a post a long time ago and showed that the scapes and loss of paint exactly matches the rear edges of the mount and the center knob stud scraping paint/finish off the crossbar.

    You could paint the crossbar black and then slide the mount back and fourth a few times and wind up with similar markings.

    It is likely that during production the crossbar was mostly black. At some point during or after the filming the prop was disassembled possibly for cleaning/safety and scraped up the crossbar.

    The "clear" images we see of Han posing with the blaster are post production marketing images.

    Also note that the PRE-production scope mount crossbar was reversed but had not been painted yet. The end lengths from the end thumb nuts are slightly different.
     
  24. Dann

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    I had not ever heard that about the crossbar being flipped, nor had I even considered it!

    Always cool to learn new info, thanks.


    EDIT: Ohhh, you're talking about that (relatively) clear side view photo before the grille was added, aren't you?

    I always thought there was something funny about the crossbar in that image! Now I know why!! ;)
     
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  25. chubsANDdoggers

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    Dann ur probably correct to think that but does any know when these pics where taken. This first pic I took all the background out so it’s less distracting but this is the series of photos it’s from. I would think they are post production but while still in the UK obviously. Fords hair is what makes me believe this.. 08DF7A04-B65A-456B-971B-FA9B6FB694FF.jpeg 19276B3F-A224-418E-AC90-921E5C385E7B.jpeg 3042ED2E-774F-4FFE-9332-28A4990B8678.jpeg 38C347E3-BAAB-4D11-A5AF-C9B6A09AA6E5.jpeg 280CAE28-4211-404D-9A5E-779B778C9483.jpeg

    Here is a close up of that first pic and you can see it still isn’t fully weathered as we see in the final Bapty pictures.. 82DBD9DE-9807-4AEB-974A-42B2D31EC434.jpeg

    The reason I mention the hair is because these are believed to be taken before filming started in the UK behind Elstree Studio and Fords hair is much longer. Clearly he was “cleaned up” for filming. Here the Hero still has at least one of the greeblies and the rail is probably still in mint condition.. 3DA7C328-9DDC-41C0-9AD8-89A6413DEC42.jpeg F253B847-FDFD-4237-8882-60D359BE8C36.jpeg

    kpax this is the pic you mean for the rail on backwards. Ya you can see it’s flipped and how it pushes the whole scope and cradle forward just a bit. I designed my rail similar to this and when helping a friend with his hero builds mentioned he should do the same. It’s always in the details with these builds but I see a lot of those finished blasters with the rail flipped incorrectly. It’s an easy mistake to make if you aren’t aware or overlook this detail.. 65F1C95F-59B4-49CF-8B14-FD47CFA6F513.jpeg
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    Here you can clearly see how the rail is flipped and the cradle pushed forward. In the second you can see its more centered with the longer end at the back.. 84A735B1-D207-42CD-8D45-2FA22A333420.jpeg AEBA3F08-71D2-4186-AFAA-182A0FFB8ADE.jpeg

    As for the GK I think it just goes to show how important continuity was back in the 70s ;) But remember it only ever appears on screen twice. Both in closeups and never more than 5 seconds at the very most. First scene.. 65BB0014-AFB2-4976-B9F0-5DF4FE4CA02F.jpeg Second scene and this is it. We never even see it fully and it certainly never “shoots first”.. 8E1A03E9-4670-4386-B68D-D4417A39A25D.jpeg

    In fact it shouldn’t even be called the Greedo killer as it doesn’t even fire that fatal shot. The Hero is the true GK as those scenes where filmed in the UK and it’s defiantly the only one that “shoots first”.. 9AB46DC7-D821-4B71-80E1-A1C9245DBAD0.png E8DC3B80-CA7F-4589-9555-A871E574CF36.jpeg
    Here is pictures from the two productions. UK with the Hero and the US with the (falsely advertised :) ) Greedo Killler. Only thing that is smoking in the US is Solo’s cig.. C5E8B160-8E63-4C7C-889A-EB6B39D66E71.jpeg 59268F49-B79B-4CC0-BEF5-F0BE77C761FE.jpeg
    **I think I’m ok here but just incase.. if any of these pictures belong to someone please let me know and I’ll take then down ASAP. I do like to modify my pictures to get ride of the backgrounds so the details can pop and can be seen more clearly. NOT to claim them as my own. For education purposes only.
     
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  26. halliwax

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    I know the respected members in the community say this isn’t a hole, but *! That looks like a hole.. and would explain how the knob is on that side in naked runner...

    But if I’m naked runner there was a knob on the other side that held the bracket, where is the hole for that?

    I’m so confused over the scope mounted on the mystery disc side
     
  27. H0llyw00d

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    I think it is a hole. Like kpax, I believe they tried to install a Sitting Target-style Weaver base on the Hero, figured out it wouldn't work with a Buscadero-style right-handed holster and replaced it with a Mersonn wheel that fell off due to holster wear and created the mystery disk.
     
  28. chubsANDdoggers

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    Ya it’s truly a “mystery disk”.. but that theory totally holds up
     
  29. kpax

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    At one time I thought the small center spot was a hole. Low res images. I don’t think it is a hole now and built my prop to reflect that.

    I don’t think the mystery disk is recessed either. It is nearly a spot where the bluing is worn off due to either a knob glued on or perhaps a disc brazed on to hold the short ST dovetail crossbar. Maybe for added surface area? The center spot may be an indicator point for a small center pin or screw?

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  30. Inquisitor Peregrinus

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    Eh? One of the things about both Merr-Sonn versions is the prominent T-track blade between the pushrods...

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    Or else the scope was originally flipped to be facing the functional direction, which would have seen it in-line over the receiver. One thing I'd love to have a time machine for is to go back and be a fly on the wall at Bapty in 1975/6...
     
  31. kpax

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    The MerrSonn images you show have a center blade but no visible “base” that the rods would sit on.

    I wasn’t clear in the description of the blade. I was comparing to the mill it sight that has a high blade like a normal front sight. Higher than the antenna heads. But you are correct to point out the long center blade.
     
  32. halliwax

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    Are we to believe this is the same exact Mauser used as the dl44? I’m confused on this topic

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  33. mgoob

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    The upper was used on a different lower, that's the difference.
     
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  34. kpax

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    Like he said^^

    The upper receiver with bull barrel. ( threaded rifle barrel).
     
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  35. thegnome

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    To the people of RPF, how do you find out about these things? I have spent tens and tens of hours and found nothing about Luke Skywalkers Landspeeder and you guys find so many tiny little things about weapons like Han Solos blaster or Ben Kenobi's lightsaber. It is amazing! Any tips on how to find out about things like Luke's landspeeder?
     
  36. kpax

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    I am sure there are threads on the RPF that have detailed notes and images of the speeder.
     
  37. halliwax

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    yeah thanks, but like how did you find the things that are so small about the Blastech DL-44 that is so minuscule that it amazing. Like is there websites with the info or did you simply just go on a long and amazing journey to find out things of the gun? It really is amazing what you people have found out about the gun. Truly is, no diss intended.(y) Yeah and I have found out the vehicle that the speeder is attached to too and how they made the speeder to look like it was hovering (mirrors, mirage effect, camera angle). Thank you again for all the help.
     
  39. chubsANDdoggers

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    thegnome Honestly just read this thread from the very beginning. This thread started back in 2011 I believe. A lot of great info can be found in it. That and time itself will add up so all this sort of stuff either makes sense or will allow you to ask specific questions about things that don’t. I only really know the DL-44 myself and I’m still learning to this day.


    Another great read is this tested article and one of the DL-44 OG’s thats featured can be founfd right here on this very thread. I think he posted about 3 posts ago... ;)

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  40. kpax

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    ^^. Those were the days...

    This thread got started because deadbolt and I could not find any kits or parts that were even near accurate and we decided to start a thread to try and discover some details.
    Many many discussions with so many dedicated RPF members that had gathered info from all over the galaxy for years. ! Theories and conjecture and testing over and over until we pinned it down. Deadbolts 3d modeling and comparisons to 2d mock ups got us very close. Then Deadbolt actually located the Tomtitt model parts used for the grill and antenna greeblies ( also used on the speeder control panel! )

    Finding the actual parts and maker after 30 years of people searching and guessing at what they were. Great job by Deadbolt!

    We found out the 3d machined parts were within a few 10ths of millimeters.! Not too shabby!

    Adam built that “Tested” model with DEC parts and an MGC I got for him. Great info there.

    Love that many of the original contributors are still around and joining in the conversation!
     
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  41. deadbolt

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    Wow, it seems I've missed a lot of discussion in my absence! haha

    I should mention that this project was honored in a Chicago Art Exhibit featuring a set of DEC Mega-Run parts, an original vintage set of Veron parts and the magazine that helped me find the parts. The exhibit was active from May - June of 2018 curated by a Chicago based art professor, Kate Conlon.
    So a huge thanks to Kate and her colleagues for all of their interest in this project and their work on the exhibit!!

    A 109 page Art Catalog was also authored by Kate documenting the project, some may still be available but I'm not sure. You will have to contact Kate if you're interested in a copy.

    Here's a link to her site showing some photos of the exhibit:
    KATE CONLON

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    As far as the barrel greeblie is concerned, there still aren't any photos proving everything...yet ;)
    But there are things that have been ruled out already such as absolutely no evidence of T-Track ever being present, therefor no foundation for supporting the T-Track theory. And also Kpax is correct about the Antenna/Push-Rod sitting directly on the barrel. I helped him prove the theory waay back in the thread with these 3D charts, both for the Hero and the Merr Sonn blasters.


    -Carson

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  42. thd9791

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    To Halliwax - The Merr Sonn shows a sawed-off rear weld mount near the hammer, and it's most likely a cast of this base gun
    with a Michell pulley disc covering the front mount area.

    Merr-Sonn Model 44

    It is believed, because the sawed-off rear weld is not present on Han's gun - but the bull barrel is - they slid out the entire lower frame with the handle, and put a new one on. here comes the cross bar, and maybe a michell disc to match the prototype blaster. Those have a hole in the center, so it may have left a dot of paint when they painted the lower, leaving the upper rail and barrel blued.
     
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  43. halliwax

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    Yes!!! That makes total sense!!! I never knew this until now! Good thinking!
     
  44. Dann

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    Oh holy Bejeezus, that is so awesome, I'm gonna check out that link right now!

    Very cool that all that research got the recognition it deserves!

    And good to have you back!
     
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  45. chubsANDdoggers

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    Sorry why is it again that the lower is believed to be painted while the top remained blued? These pics make it seem like the whole thing remained blued. You can see the contrast against the heatsink? 84CDD85B-3AFF-4A51-89FB-4EB1C69ADFC3.jpeg F2007D37-3BFD-46CF-83D1-EC008489CA42.jpeg 2F770206-CB3A-4186-8A35-13260E795165.jpeg
     
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  46. Dann

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    I don't believe the lower was painted, either, but I've been wrong before!
     
  47. kpax

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    I have made up this timeline to discuss the disk appearance.

    I have suggested before that there "may" have been an attempt to soldier a short crossbar to the LEFT side first,- similar to the ST set up.,, but the pre-production images confirm that the right side scope mount set up was in place with no sign of the mystery disk at that time so it could not be so.

    Any "highlights or ridges" seen around the mystery disk can be explained by a slight glue residue edge. Would not need much to reflect light. After reviewing all the images including the "Luke Stunt blaster" which was cast after the ANH build.

    IMO, This resin cast shows a few telltale hints that it may have been cast after the mystery disk fell off. Note the details.

    I am only guess that the grill either was not yet added OR was removed from the casting to be different than Han's.

    They certainly could have reglued the knob/pulley if they wanted but probably figured it would just fall off again with the production firing of the half-power blanks.

    My thinking is that they left the blaster with the worn spot because it looked "worn" and more interesting.

    Have a look and discuss.

    blaster mystery disk logic copy.jpg
    blaster disk area on stunt gun.jpg
     
  48. Gregatron

    Gregatron Well-Known Member

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    As with the barrel sight greeblies, this theory makes perfect sense. The same parts and the same build methods used on both the DL-44 and the Merr-Sonn. They’re like Rosetta Stones for each other.

    Betcha that the Merr-Sonn was originally cast and built to essentially match the DL-44 (the initial version of it, at least, minus the Tomtit grille, and with the sight greeblies and pulley disc), but, perhaps due to a lack of extra Hensoldt-Wetzler scopes, they just threw on the other greeblies to help disguise the Mauser and give it some extra flavor. And then the lower receiver on the DL-44 was swapped out and replaced after casting for technical/firing reasons.
     
  49. H0llyw00d

    H0llyw00d Sr Member

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    These are the two pics that have me convinced that everything but the scope mount and scope are painted black. The rail, posts and knobs are obviously painted and... well.. blued steel doesn't chip. It will wear, or gouge... but not chip.
     
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  50. thd9791

    thd9791 Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    For me, the silver scuffs around the bottom of the mag well and the silver mystery disc show the bare metal with a little blueing on there. Just like the mount, for the lower front of the receiver to have gotten scratched up, my guess would be something other than blueing on its own.
     
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