Alleged Screen Used Hero TOS Phaser up for auction (now the aftermath)

[MARK M3]

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[Gregatron]

It's amazing just how many people have irrefutable proof, documentation, names of those who inspected the phaser, etc, yet just aren't able to share any of that information with us. How strange. And also, how condescending. I mean, if one truely has proof, but knows they are unable to share it, then why bring it up in the first place? What purpose does that serve? None, other than to stroke their own ego.

So I call B.S. on all these "I have secret information about the phaser" shenanigans. Unsharable proof is having no proof at all.

Indeed. It’s almost as if a barrier has been raised specifically to prevent people from looking too closely at the matter. A select few people get to see all the documents and examine the item close up, and say it’s authentic, then tell people to just trust it.

With the Alpha communicator, the prop was already in private hands, and HeroComm’s studies were meticulous and presented to the community in great detail.

In this case, with a quarter-million dollars on the line, the situation has been markedly different. Lots and lots of secrecy, lots and lots of egos and politics.



Money changes everything.

 

[AnubisGuard]

So... get to work refuting my friend! Refute!!!

It's impossible to refute what we don't have. That's kind of the problem here.

 

[Lightning]

So... get to work refuting my friend! Refute!!!

Show us the documents and we will get right on it.

 

[genZOD]

YOU...YOU Referred to ANYONE thinking this prop was the real thing as a SUCKER. And that would include the Experts who authenticated it Greg Jein, Heritage House AND HEROCOMM.COM.
I called you on it and you thought your pals here would prop your Hurt Butt.
You messed with the wrong guy my friend.

You’re probably receiving an extra level of flack because your posts are following a familiar pattern: A reasonably well known member of the community comes in pretty hot claiming that the props are legit. Their “proof” is the word of of experts that they know personally, but who’s name they won’t share (other than GJ). They won’t or can’t share any details about any of the particulars that led to the experts conclusions. Herocomm makes a similar claim, really.

Well, that’s the consistent “proof”. Other claims have included theories about Wah’s behavior that contradict the LOAs, undocumented 5th & 6th heroes & “proof” that these are repaired forms of one of the 4 known heroes.

 

[MARK M3]

You’re probably receiving an extra level of flack because your posts are following a familiar pattern: A reasonably well known member of the community comes in pretty hot claiming that the props are legit. Their “proof” is the word of of experts that they know personally, but who’s name they won’t share (other than GJ). They won’t or can’t share any details about any of the particulars that led to the experts conclusions. Herocomm makes a similar claim, really.

Well, that’s the consistent “proof”. Other claims have included theories about Wah’s behavior that contradict the LOAs, undocumented 5th & 6th heroes & “proof” that these are repaired forms of one of the 4 known heroes.

I've been a member here since 2001. NEVER once had any problems. And I don't know the guy you hate from Adam. For the most part I have better sense than to get involved in threads like this...The only reason Im back in this tread is because my pal Donn.
Again,..
I didn't sell it.
I didn't buy it.

And don't care if it's real or not.
Highest regards.

Yeah, dude, do you really want to be lumped in with Shanko, of all people? C’mon. Take the high road.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire...Normally I do, as anyone who knows me will attest. But don't bring me in and start talking trash about me and expect me not to respond.

 

[USS Endeav]

Yeah, dude, do you really want to be lumped in with Shanko, of all people? C’mon. Take the high road.

Not RonShanko, think earlier in this debacle. Much earlier...like page one.

 

[Gregatron]

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire...Normally I do, as anyone who knows me will attest. But don't bring me in and start talking trash about me and expect me not to respond.

I didn’t bring you in, nor did I trash talk. You brought yourself in, and you’re reading intent which isn’t there. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy I saw (calling someone condescending, then acting condescending toward them) and called out the unwarranted vitriol you’ve displayed here. It’s not a good look.

 

[Gregatron]

Not RonShanko, think earlier in this debacle. Much earlier...like page one.

Ouch.

My phaser thread PTSD was successfully blocking him out, ‘till now. Thanks.

 

[Jintosh]

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire...Normally I do, as anyone who knows me will attest. But don't bring me in and start talking trash about me and expect me not to respond.

Fighting fire with fire is for social media message boards. This is a board about discussing PROPS and PROP REPLICAS.

Please return to the subject that is relevant to *THIS* board.

 

[genZOD]

I didn't sell it.
I didn't buy it.

And don't care if it's real or not.
Highest regards.

I hope that’s not true. I’m pretty sure most of us want it to be real… I do. Evidence — all I’m asking for is evidence. Nothing extraordinary.

I’m not a particularly conspiratorial type, but I’m beginning to wonder who this auction was for. I made reasonable requests for information from HA and was not given anything like the information you claim the winning bidder received. How were they able to get such information? I was never given the opportunity to get that information.

 

[Gregatron]

Man, what a day. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

 

[genZOD]

Man, what a day. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

The three foot Enterprise? The TOS Romulan bird of prey?

 

[QuasiOdo]

It's amazing just how many people have irrefutable proof, documentation, names of those who inspected the phaser, etc, yet just aren't able to share any of that information with us. How strange. And also, how condescending. I mean, if one truely has proof, but knows they are unable to share it, then why bring it up in the first place? What purpose does that serve? None, other than to stroke their own ego.

So I call B.S. on all these "I have secret information about the phaser" shenanigans. Unsharable proof is having no proof at all.

All valid questions. Love to hear some valid answers instead of endless posturing, threats, and sabre-rattling.

 

[Trebor]

So The Phaser...
Here's what I can share.

There is irrefutable documentation that was provided to serious buyers only By HA.
Thanks! It's been fun!

I LOVE the RPF! And I am glad to be here. Best of luck to all...whatever side of the fence your on!

I'd like to see documentation that can explain the physical issues with the prop itself:

What is the explanation for the inlet side rail as explained by the documentation? That doesn't match the known hero construction techniques but does match replica builds.

What is the explanation for the modern velcro as explained by the documentation?

What is the explanation for what really appears to be a modern replica nozzle in the documentation?

A simple "chain of custody" type documentation which traces the supposed ownership from person to person most likely wouldn't explain away those issues. I'd really like to see the answers to that.

 

[feek61]

So The Phaser...
Here's what I can share.

There is irrefutable documentation that was provided to serious buyers only By HA.

Well, that is not true at all!

 

[QuasiOdo]

Can you please take this Facebook b*llsh*t BACK to Facebook and leave this thread to discussions about the phaser. I have no desire to read page after page about your petty argument.

To clarify: I'm not the one that raised anything about, "people hiding behind fake names on the RPF claiming to be experts" on said prop. And I couldn't agree more: I'm here to discuss the thing- because I detest art forgeries.

 

[JMSupp]

I’m not a particularly conspiratorial type, but I’m beginning to wonder who this auction was for. I made reasonable requests for information from HA and was not given anything like the information you claim the winning bidder received. How were they able to get such information? I was never given the opportunity to get that information.

The auction world can be a strange place, and when you're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars or more changing hands, there are a lot of opportunities for those with... flexible morals. Buyers, sellers, brokers, auction houses, authenticators, you name it, some have succumbed to temptation. Sometimes knowingly and fraudulently, and sometimes because people choose not look too hard, because of greed or reputation. It's amazing what people will do with their pride on the line.

I don't know which is worse, frankly.

The kicker of it is, in that world, people live and profit by their reputation. Sometimes, that reputation opens doors, sometimes it slams them shut. The right name or reputation will get you more information, perhaps. Having the right friends helps as well. And, of course, there is always the possibility that someone is full of crap. It's amazing what people will make up just so they can pretend to be "in the know".

I don't have enough information to be comfortable accusing anyone of anything, and even if I did, I'd be very, very careful in doing so. Ruining someone's reputation with a false accusation can have some pretty long term consequences. Livelihoods can be ruined in a snap. I've seen it happen.

While it's fun to speculate on the drama and excitement of all this, I think it's better to focus on what few facts are out there, and avoid some of the interpersonal drama. We're all here to gather facts, expand our knowledge, and form opinions. Your opinion is different then mine? Cool. Why? Back it up. Schoolyard drama doesn't help, and makes us all look bad.

 

[genZOD]

Well, that is not true at all!

Maybe it was, but it sure wasn’t shared with me when I made reasonable requests. I was told by HA:

This Type-2 not only was authenticated by top Original Series prop guru Greg Jein, but it has also been endorsed by respected Original Series prop website HeroComm.com

About the fact you that only four hero phasers were documented I was told:

That document, drafted at the very beginning of the series, is by no means gospel. Greg Jein discussed this with both Wah Chang and special effects man Jim Rugg and he states that there were at least six or more heroes that were made during the production run.

 

[genZOD]

The auction world can be a strange place, and when you're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars or more changing hands, there are a lot of opportunities for those with... flexible morals. Buyers, sellers, brokers, auction houses, authenticators, you name it, some have succumbed to temptation. Sometimes knowingly and fraudulently, and sometimes because people choose not look too hard, because of greed or reputation. It's amazing what people will do with their pride on the line.

I don't know which is worse, frankly.

The kicker of it is, in that world, people live and profit by their reputation. Sometimes, that reputation opens doors, sometimes it slams them shut. The right name or reputation will get you more information, perhaps. Having the right friends helps as well. And, of course, there is always the possibility that someone is full of crap. It's amazing what people will make up just so they can pretend to be "in the know".

I don't have enough information to be comfortable accusing anyone of anything, and even if I did, I'd be very, very careful in doing so. Ruining someone's reputation with a false accusation can have some pretty long term consequences. Livelihoods can be ruined in a snap. I've seen it happen.

While it's fun to speculate on the drama and excitement of all this, I think it's better to focus on what few facts are out there, and avoid some of the interpersonal drama. We're all here to gather facts, expand our knowledge, and form opinions. Your opinion is different then mine? Cool. Why? Back it up. Schoolyard drama doesn't help, and makes us all look bad.

Believe it or not, I’m pretty familiar with this world for a slightly different market. What’s unusual in this case, is the reluctance to share basic information like the credentials of the experts. Generally, you want respected experts in more than one relevant field. Fooling multiple disciplines very difficult. At lest that’s the conventional wisdom…

Maybe that happened in this case, maybe it didn’t. There are no reports to review… nothing of substance was provided aside from recent photos. One of the authenticity claims made by HA was an independent fan website with no oversight (one that I’ve always trusted, BTW)—That’s super odd.