Alleged Screen Used Hero TOS Phaser up for auction (now the aftermath)
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genZOD
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I’ve gone through all of the close ups that I’m aware of. The Lenore & TMOST P2s are sort of close if you squint & assume that camera lenses/angles are distorting shapes. In some images both have side dials that do appear to be lower than the JG & Outtake P2. But maybe not, the lower fins have a tendency to disappear into the grain of the film stock. One of these known P2s has a broken emitter that could have plausibly been replaced & one has a similar emitter, kinda. Even so, IMHO there are enough differences to rule them out. This is EXTRA true given the inexplicably poor finish on the “repaired” HA P2. I didn’t see the new P1 in any of the episodes I reviewed, unless the JG P1 has been misidentified — and really, there’s not enough pixels to figure that out.
So absent any surprise finds, these are indeed undocumented & were apparently not used for any closeups.
So absent any surprise finds, these are indeed undocumented & were apparently not used for any closeups.
As stated, I'm trying to eliminate this as a possibility. The expert states it's a hero, but not 1-4 OR 5 as far as I can tell. But if 1-4 can absolutely be eliminated as even POSSIBLE, then the failure to state 1-4 or 5 would have to be narrowed down to just a 5th hero by process of elimination. But, you would have to eliminate the ones you want to eliminate...providing a blanket statement is just as frustrating as the blanket statement of the auction.
If you eliminate the IMPOSSIBLE, whatever is left, must be the experts statement. A failure to be specific, can be forced to be specific, if you can reasonably eliminate ALL possibility of 1-4. But people apparently got tired of this line of elimination. They didn't list what would need to be changed in the Finney to auction phaser modification.
If their experts won't answer specific questions, but ours won't either....then how is that an improvement ?
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genZOD
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I’ve gone through several episodes with known closeups. I’m convinced that none of them features the P1 or the P2 being auctioned. Obviously this doesn’t mean that they didn’t appear in the background at some unknown point, but that would be odd for a relatively expensive hero. This is extra weird since this phaser may be a combination of an unrelated P1 & P2 — meaning that their lost original mates should also appear somewhere… but don’t.
Other than the emitter and Velcro differences, are the differences between these two P2s....SIGNIFICANT ? Can you list more than 2 other differences ?
I have trouble (as others have also stated) allowing for viewing angle. And I don't have as extensive Star Trek prop knowledge as some people, but I am relying on people that do to answer the question.
genZOD
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The area around the around the rear HA P2’s fins is different in ways that don’t seem consistent with a repair. Same with the position of the HA P2’s side dial.
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genZOD
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Everything from the release pin backwards is noticeably different.
I love how we are the ones scrambling around like idiots trying to figure out what this P2 really is, while the auction house itself is doing nothing to convince anybody of the authenticity of this thing.
It IS strange, indeed. One would think that they’d be eager to increase the interest in this piece by providing justification for their stance beyond, “the experts say it’s real”.
Look at how thin that rear P2 shell is between the metal fins and the rear upper deck compared to the TMOST. That can’t be a result of how the shells were trimmed, or how the slot for the fins was cut. Looks like a different master/mold was used, with a slightly (vertically) thinner rear section.
Look at this pic.
The area between the metal fins and the rear upper deck is actually THICK. From the back.
There appears to be a sliver of material missing along the left edge of the back. Or has been sanded. This appears to be damage to me.
Am I wrong ?
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I'm taking them one by one. So, this is side knob position Pics. Are they different in a way that CAN'T be just angle difference ?
-----embarrassing edit-------
The auction pic is of a NON auction phaser.
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Bigdaddy
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I don't think the comparison picture is of the phaser being auctioned, hard to tell since HA has mixed in a lot erroneous photos.
genZOD
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The image labeled auction phaser isn’t the prop that they’re selling.
EDIT: I think the phasers in your two images are the same, the phaser in the dirt is the Finley/TMOST Phaser from “The Cloud Miners”.
I absolutely hate how dishonest HA is being (intentionally or not) by showing images of props that aren’t the ones they selling.
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Those are both the TMOST phaser.
Which would be why they match....<duh> sorry, guys. A stand alone pic with no actor in it looked like an auction pic. I thought the emitter even looked bi-level instead of tapered.
They messed up the auction by putting extra pics (especially stand alone) of non-auction phasers.
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genZOD
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The other image is from “The Cloud Miners”.
Bigdaddy
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I don't think they "messed up", this is savvy marketing. HA knows exactly what they are doing.
Fooled me. Okay, then best pic of knob on Auction and Finney. So, auction knob is LOWER, by appearances. Is that the issue ?
That would be a deal breaker.
P.S. Is the paint job so HORRIBLE that there is dark paint up on the sides of the side knob of the auction phaser ?
Or is that some kind of reflection ?
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