Is a hero a hero that wasn't clearly hero'd by a hero?
No what a mean? LOL
No what a mean? LOL
Alleged Screen Used Hero TOS Phaser up for auction (now the aftermath)
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USS Endeav
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robn1
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What if it's one and only screen appearance was being held by a villain? Would it still count as a hero?
And yes I'm sure many here would call this a villain phaser
USS Endeav
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I'm thinking it is one of the phasers a red shirt was holding at the time of his....scripted demise. Guardian of Forever may have thrown the phaser back knowing how much of an important icon it would be in 2021.What if it's one and only screen appearance was being held by a villain? Would it still count as a hero?
And yes I'm sure many here would call this a villain phaser
robn1
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I think it was Q, he held it back and released it now to watch the **** show unfold.
USS Endeav
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That totally sounds like him and what a **** show it is. Almost want to thank him for the entertainment.
If you think THIS is a **** show, just wait untill you see what he does in “Picard”
There are many times when my input is similar to everyone else's. And then there are definitely times when I'm having a Sheldonesque moment.
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Axlotl
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I can't get past the sloppy paint job.
What professional would pass that off as a legitimate repair? It looks like it was painted by a kindergarten class who was impatient to get to recess.
This is supposed to be a hero prop.
That means it's supposed to look pretty for close ups. What professional prop maker doesn't own an airbrush? Why would you paint a hero prop with anything other than an airbrush?
To this artist's eye it's been sloppily painted to replicate the look of the Jein.
Everything about this screams forgery to me. It's going to take a mountain of evidence to convince me this is a real hero prop.
What professional would pass that off as a legitimate repair? It looks like it was painted by a kindergarten class who was impatient to get to recess.
This is supposed to be a hero prop.
That means it's supposed to look pretty for close ups. What professional prop maker doesn't own an airbrush? Why would you paint a hero prop with anything other than an airbrush?
To this artist's eye it's been sloppily painted to replicate the look of the Jein.
Everything about this screams forgery to me. It's going to take a mountain of evidence to convince me this is a real hero prop.
Going back to paintings again...(and Da Vinci again, no less)
There is a SECOND Mona Lisa. And I believe when it was first discovered, some claimed it to be a genuine Da Vinci. But all Da Vinci paintings are unique. A copy would break the pattern, to say the least.
It has been more recently examined, and it finds that the same mistakes AND changes occurred in the second Mona Lisa as in the first. Meaning, if this was Da Vinci 2.0, the same mistakes would not be made. It is now clear that the second Mona Lisa was done by one of his better students, at the SAME time as Da Vinci was doing HIS painting. It is a copy, but a copy in REAL TIME. When Da Vinci made changes to the work-in-progress, the student made the identical changes so that his end result would be like his Master's painting. The copy is not identical, the color choices are Brighter, for instance. It lacks the darker mood lighting, as it were.
There is a SECOND Mona Lisa. And I believe when it was first discovered, some claimed it to be a genuine Da Vinci. But all Da Vinci paintings are unique. A copy would break the pattern, to say the least.
It has been more recently examined, and it finds that the same mistakes AND changes occurred in the second Mona Lisa as in the first. Meaning, if this was Da Vinci 2.0, the same mistakes would not be made. It is now clear that the second Mona Lisa was done by one of his better students, at the SAME time as Da Vinci was doing HIS painting. It is a copy, but a copy in REAL TIME. When Da Vinci made changes to the work-in-progress, the student made the identical changes so that his end result would be like his Master's painting. The copy is not identical, the color choices are Brighter, for instance. It lacks the darker mood lighting, as it were.
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Agreed. The evidence may well exist, but, until we see it, those are all valid points, and the burden of proof is not met.
I would be disappointed if it ends up being a modified version of one of the remaining 3 known Heroes. If they knew this, but did not reveal it, that would make me lose faith in them. Without proof, still (1) unknown hero, (2) modified known hero, (3) vintage replica, (4) modern replica could all be (remote) possibilities. If I lean towards (4), that would be my personal interpretation of the information provided. Opinions can change if new information is provided. Which is why deliberately withholding information to cause confusion would be considered unacceptable in such a case.
Yep. Despite the fact that, in-universe, the phasers should be identical, it would be nice to have a new prop with its own unique little details to examine, rather than a boring copy of the Jein.
Personally, the TMOST phaser is my favorite, in terms of aesthetics, with the blue watch crown. I also prefer the squared crispy to the later rounded corners. That said, the red Nona gem also looks neat, and the gem-less Jein has its appeal. I’m a blue watch crown fan, although a red watch crown would also look cool. But the blue crown ties in the design with the tricorder (just as the side rails tie it in with the communicator). All three TOS hero prop designs are linked together, which is a part of why people have obsessed over the them for nearly 60 years.
If it's one of the other 3 known heroes, poorly repaired, I would want it better restored, at least to the details that you just mentioned. A copy of the original gem would be a great start. I still lean towards (4), but the people claiming it's real leans more towards (2) from their point of view as likely.
genZOD
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*IF* it’s a repaired known hero, do you think #4 is at all likely? It was supposedly damaged early on & not used much. I get that HA claims that it’s a 5th phaser, but the physical discrepancies could, sort of, be explained by repairing front end impact damage and then giving it an unbelievably bad repaint (and stripping the gray paint from its release pin). Maybe for use in wide/medium shots alongside the mid grades? The previously unknown hero P1 is harder to explain on many levels.
Also, doesn’t the auction sort of insinuate that there is at least one more unknown P1 & P2 out there? The mates the the ones that were brought together for this auction.
Lightning
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Is the last known appearance of a hero phaser early enough in the series for this to be possible? In this scenario, whoever fixes it at the studio gives it the shoddy paint job, so it's not chosen to be on screen again. Then it's sent to Wah Chang to repaint it properly, but he never gets to it before the show ends. But I don't know if the timeline makes this possible.
Unless there were any other hero appearances in a later episode (which I’m not remembering) the last good hero closeup was of the TMOST, when “The Cloud Minders” was filmed in November, 1969. “Turnabout Intruder” was filmed in January, 1969, and then the show was cancelled. That’s a two-month window between the last closeup hero shot and the end of production.
genZOD
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Hero #4 was, apparently, already broken by "The Conscience of the King", and wasn't seen afterwords (I think). It's P1 had a red ruby crown.
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From HC: "Oddly both portions of this phaser appear in only two episodes: half-hidden in "The Galileo Seven" locker scene (pictured at top) and more importantly in "The Conscience of the King," where we see the P2 tells are a pushed-in front emitter, two port-side underside screws (front and back) and a gray-painted P2 eject button (all others were bare brass). The P1 is an even harder find there, barely visible in but a few frames as Lenore makes a mad dash with it onto the stage and then uses it on her father. One of those frames luckily reveals a watch crown atop the P1, and just enough data can be gleaned from the rest of the scene to suspect it was a ruby, like what Wah used in his "B" tricorder. The P2's pushed-in emitter also looks to be crooked, probably from impact damage, which might account for at least the P2 not being used more."
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This is really the only way I can see the experts as being some version of correct....and yes, then, #4 known hero seems likely.
The description of the auction phaser does not say "5th hero phaser". Did you see this separately from HA, elsewhere ? (if I missed it, please quote it again) HeroComm says "5th phaser", but that's the only place I saw it. And if it is Hero #4, is it possible that it has been so altered, that the expert doesn't even realize that it is Hero #4, and therefore thinks it a #5 ?
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