Actual Anduril Prop Close Up Photos and NC Anduril?

[SirJediKnightTim]

I would like to see some photos of the actual Anduril sword used in the Lord of the Rings movies. Does anybody have any photos of it on display? Also, I know the UC version is 53", but does anybody know if that was the actual length of the sword? I would like to see some close up shots of the hilt.

I used to own the NC version of the broken hilt of Narsil (back when I had a retail Lord of the Rings store in the mall). I kick myself for selling my last one.

Does anybody have photos of their NC Anduril? I may pick that one up. I know, I know everybody likes to complain about their swords, but they are made in Spain using the same process that the UC Museum collection swords were.

When I look at this photo of Aragorn, the UC Anduril looks NOTHING like that sword. I'm looking for a more accurate version. I think the high carbon steel of the NC version may be able to be polished to have that shine of the actual sword in the movie.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/timcedar/Aragorn.jpg


Watch the movie when Aragorn is first given Anduril by Elrond, and look at your NC Anduril, and tell me it looks even close, it doesn't.

 

[Riskbreaker]

The hollow grinding and the fuller on the real blade were much deeper. It's hard to tell how close the hilt is.

 

[SirJediKnightTim]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Riskbreaker @ Mar 2 2007, 12:32 PM) [snapback]1430060[/snapback]</div>

The hollow grinding and the fuller on the real blade were much deeper. It's hard to tell how close the hilt is.
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Exactly. So it makes me wonder how thick the steel was that was used for the screen used Anduril. And the blade width is not wide enough.

 

[JunkSabers1138]

That's obviously a different prop (possibly meant for photoshoots) in your pic; the movie sword has a much longer hilt. I've not seen the NC version of Anduril, but I do know that no replica has come even remotely close to matching the movie sword in terms of size and total accuracy in the design.

 

[DavidS]

no your right,
the movie used swords were deeply hollow ground by Peter Lyon useing a lynishing table.
Hollow grinding like that is fairly difficult to do from what i understand and is NOT a fairly widely used method for grinding the primary bevel on a sword. In fact thats why the LOTR swords are so unique,its sorta peters trademark and a definant sign that he made the sword.
if you do a search youll find where i received a REAL peter lyon sword several months back and i can tell you , the blade is hollow ground deeply and looks nothing like the MACHINE MADE UC blades.
UC uses some kind of CNC machine to make their blade blanks and id SERIOUSLY doubt very little IF ANY hand grinding went into them. hence why they are flat ground....

 

[SirJediKnightTim]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JunkSabers1138 @ Mar 2 2007, 04:45 PM) [snapback]1430254[/snapback]</div>

That's obviously a different prop (possibly meant for photoshoots) in your pic; the movie sword has a much longer hilt. I've not seen the NC version of Anduril, but I do know that no replica has come even remotely close to matching the movie sword in terms of size and total accuracy in the design.
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Actually the hilt was altered in the image I think your referring to (where Aragorn is holding it in front of his face). The photo I have shows the actual size hilt.

 

[JunkSabers1138]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JunkSabers1138 @ Mar 2 2007, 04:45 PM) [snapback]1430254[/snapback]

That's obviously a different prop (possibly meant for photoshoots) in your pic; the movie sword has a much longer hilt. I've not seen the NC version of Anduril, but I do know that no replica has come even remotely close to matching the movie sword in terms of size and total accuracy in the design.
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Actually the hilt was altered in the image I think your referring to (where Aragorn is holding it in front of his face). The photo I have shows the actual size hilt.
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Ive seen that pic and that hilt was cropped as well so Viggo's face wouldn't be covered up by it. Who knows, with all the different Andurils made for the film, and all of them made by hand, they all should have little differences between them.

 

[SirJediKnightTim]

Ive seen that pic and that hilt was cropped as well so Viggo's face wouldn't be covered up by it. Who knows, with all the different Andurils made for the film, and all of them made by hand, they all should have little differences between them.
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Yeah, that's the one that I was referring to. I did have a photo of that, but can't find it now. I really wish somebody would make a more accurate (possibly custom) Anduril.

 

[JunkSabers1138]

Ive seen that pic and that hilt was cropped as well so Viggo's face wouldn't be covered up by it. Who knows, with all the different Andurils made for the film, and all of them made by hand, they all should have little differences between them.

Yeah, that's the one that I was referring to. I did have a photo of that, but can't find it now. I really wish somebody would make a more accurate (possibly custom) Anduril.
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I'll tell you this right now, they won't be able to make it as good as Peter unless they scan one made by him and replicate it EXACTLY in a sort of CNC'd sword. (sigh) looks like that aint happening either

 

[DavidS]

yeh thats right.


THIS is a REAL peter lyon sword.....

 

[SirJediKnightTim]

This is an Anduril that is more like the film used version that is custom made, and is 1060 high carbon steel. Not exact, but closer than the UC and NC versions.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...27849%26fvi%3D1

 

[DavidS]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SirJediKnightTim @ Mar 2 2007, 11:53 PM) [snapback]1430539[/snapback]</div>

This is an Anduril that is more like the film used version that is custom made, and is 1060 high carbon steel. Not exact, but closer than the UC and NC versions.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...27849%26fvi%3D1
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I dont mean to debate you, but unfortuantly the version you posted in the EBay ad is made by Darksword armoury who has a reputation for making low quality reproductions of swords and calling them "functional"
Dont beleive the marketing hype...... if you look at their website they have several swords which are blatant COPYS of custom and semi custom swords including some of Christan Fletchers work.

regardless of what material they CLAIM the sword is made out of , i can most undoubtedly assure you that it is NOT heat treated properly and does not have features that would put it in the "functional" category....
I have heard horror stories of their poor hilt castings ect......

As far as the blade, its even MORE "off" than the UC one...... notice how the fuller (groove) of the blade terminates yet the engravings keep going? notice how the "etchings" as they call them are not accurate and dont feature the "sun burst" design near the guard....
Notice how the blade is obviously flat ground with a very shallow fuller...... a tell tell sign of an overly machine polished blade.....


Spend your money however you wish....... if you want a good prop reproduction of Anduril the licenced UC and NC swords are no doubt your best bet.......

if you want a "real" "functional" reproduction, expect to pay thousands..... not hundreds.......

the sword world is currently still rather small compared to other hobby industries and there is still ALOT of FALSE information floating around........ retailers KNOW this and strive on the customers ignorance to help their sells......... Dont fall for marketing hype guys....... if you have... (checks ebay ad....) $300 to spend on that sword.... instead take the money and go buy some books...... learn about metallurgy.... learn about what MAKES a sword a sword and not just a long knife.... there are DIFFERENCES......
You wouldnt go to an automobile dealership and buy a golf cart thinking it was a BMW would you? you would learn something about it first right?.......... the same goes for this.........

and another thing...... i know its cliche........ but you GET what you pay for....... i know i know...... alot of folks say "well i cant afford a sword that cost a thousand plus dollars...." thats ok...... heck neither can i...... lol....... All im saying is KNOW what your getting....... if you buy a $300 sword dont expect it to be as good as a $3,000 sword. you're only fooling yourself and YOU deserve better..........

 

[Hitogiri]

David, did you get in on the Ranger King project awhile back? Those were some nice hybrid swords.

 

[SirJediKnightTim]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(David Stokes @ Mar 3 2007, 12:24 AM) [snapback]1430566[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SirJediKnightTim @ Mar 2 2007, 11:53 PM) [snapback]1430539[/snapback]

This is an Anduril that is more like the film used version that is custom made, and is 1060 high carbon steel. Not exact, but closer than the UC and NC versions.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...27849%26fvi%3D1
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I dont mean to debate you, but unfortuantly the version you posted in the EBay ad is made by Darksword armoury who has a reputation for making low quality reproductions of swords and calling them "functional"
Dont beleive the marketing hype...... if you look at their website they have several swords which are blatant COPYS of custom and semi custom swords including some of Christan Fletchers work.

regardless of what material they CLAIM the sword is made out of , i can most undoubtedly assure you that it is NOT heat treated properly and does not have features that would put it in the "functional" category....
I have heard horror stories of their poor hilt castings ect......

As far as the blade, its even MORE "off" than the UC one...... notice how the fuller (groove) of the blade terminates yet the engravings keep going? notice how the "etchings" as they call them are not accurate and dont feature the "sun burst" design near the guard....
Notice how the blade is obviously flat ground with a very shallow fuller...... a tell tell sign of an overly machine polished blade.....


Spend your money however you wish....... if you want a good prop reproduction of Anduril the licenced UC and NC swords are no doubt your best bet.......

if you want a "real" "functional" reproduction, expect to pay thousands..... not hundreds.......

the sword world is currently still rather small compared to other hobby industries and there is still ALOT of FALSE information floating around........ retailers KNOW this and strive on the customers ignorance to help their sells......... Dont fall for marketing hype guys....... if you have... (checks ebay ad....) $300 to spend on that sword.... instead take the money and go buy some books...... learn about metallurgy.... learn about what MAKES a sword a sword and not just a long knife.... there are DIFFERENCES......
You wouldnt go to an automobile dealership and buy a golf cart thinking it was a BMW would you? you would learn something about it first right?.......... the same goes for this.........

and another thing...... i know its cliche........ but you GET what you pay for....... i know i know...... alot of folks say "well i cant afford a sword that cost a thousand plus dollars...." thats ok...... heck neither can i...... lol....... All im saying is KNOW what your getting....... if you buy a $300 sword dont expect it to be as good as a $3,000 sword. you're only fooling yourself and YOU deserve better..........
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I'm not saying that I want a functional sword. I know that 99.999999% of all swords that are called functional (including NC and UC swords) are NOT functional. But I do want a sword that LOOKS like the movie prop, and NC and UC are not it, at least as far as Anduril goes. I think the other UC swords are more accurate in their look than Anduril. ANY sword that costs less than $800 (not including UC inflated retail prices) is not functional. But that's not what I'm looking for anyway. I use to own a sword shop back in the day (and was a UC dealer), so I do understand the differences in steel, and a sales pitch.

 

[DavidS]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hitogiri @ Mar 3 2007, 02:13 AM) [snapback]1430610[/snapback]</div>

David, did you get in on the Ranger King project awhile back? Those were some nice hybrid swords.
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no i didnt get one of those