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Ackbar just wasn't very interesting, IMO and probably why it's hard to keep talking about a dude crying in his costume because his character had his brains slurped after being flash frozen for the Order's seafood buffet. "Look Kylo! It's a Mon Calimari! They're delicious! Pick him up on your way back. We'll have a splendid meal."All interesting points, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a thread get more derailed off-topic than this one.
You mean forty seven varieties of "Humans, but with ridges on parts of their face" doesn't do it for ya?As far as creature designs go I love Ackbar and the Mon Calamari. While I appreciate Trek for it's exploration of the intellectual, many of their creature designs left something to be desired.
Seriously, have you seen the last couple of episodes of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.? Their aliens are just people with crap glued to their faces. It's really a sad show these days.As far as creature designs go I love Ackbar and the Mon Calamari. While I appreciate Trek for it's exploration of the intellectual, many of their creature designs left something to be desired.
Couldn’t agree more with this video.
Ironically, Transporter Chief Lt. Kyle --To me, it would be comparable to learning that “Lt. Leslie” from “Star Trek” had been an unacknowledged casualty in “The Wrath of Khan”...
Over in my pile of "important information the audience needed to know at least some of, ideally in the form of relevant additions to the total running time" (aka my big rewrite of Star Wars into -- pay attention, Psab keel -- a trilogy of trilogies... of trilogies), Ackbar helped get things going for the New Republic after the Battle of Endor, led the New Republic Defense Fleet as a Fleet Admiral at the Battle of Jakku, and then, after the Galactic Empire surrendered, retired to Mon Cala. When the New Republic ignored Leia's warnings about the First Order (not yet known by name), she coaxed him out of retirement to join her Resistance. Closer to TFA, he was captured and interrogated by Phasma as to the "location of the Rebel base" -- *ahem* -- and was brilliantly defiant until he was told Kylo Ren was traveling there to continue the interrogation personally. Before that happened, though, the Resistance discovered where Ackbar was being held and freed him.By the same token, I see no reason to bother including him in the films if all you're gonna do is have him say, like, 3-4 lines and then blow him up. It's the worst approach to fan service you could take, and I already take a pretty dim view of fan service from the outset. If you're gonna use him, use him for real and make his appearance meaningful to the story (not meaningful to the fans necessarily -- those two aren't the same thing). If you're not really gonna do much, just have it be literally any other Mon Cal you want, and you'll give the fans less to be pissed about when you vent him into the void.
So his presence was relevant, and did have a point and a purpose -- and that was all left off the big screen.It's been an honor serving with you all.
Heck, I only marginally liked it even at the time. I never felt the characters "sounded" right. I appreciated the new characters introduced -- Mara and Winter and Thrawn and Pellaeon and Karrde -- more. I liked the gaslighting of the Noghri and the whole "Lady Vader" thing. I liked the concept of the Emperor's Hand. I am not happy at how material from those books was employed in Rebels (mainly the Chimaera and Captain Pellaeon being with Thrawn back before the OT, as well as the unprecedented chimaera relief paneling on the Star Destroyer's hull) and the new ancillary canon (I had hoped "Rogue Squadron" would be one part of the EU left in the bin, and it's Zahn's fault -- Brian Daley started that ball rolling, but it probably would never have been remembered beyond the ESB radio drama if not for HttE). I never understood the popularity of this trilogy. I liked having new Star Wars stuff, but liked what Dark Horse was coming out with far more than the first few years of novels in the Star Wars Renaissance.I have great memories of obsessively reading the EU as a teenager though when I revisited Shadows of the Empire about ten years ago I was shocked at how poorly written it was. I'm going to reread the Thrawn trilogy one last time for nostalgia sake and I hope I enjoy it like I did then. I read it at least 2 to 3 times back in the day and I hope it holds up.
That's the canon story for Gial Ackbar. Heck part of it is in the form of Lego animated shorts lolWell Inquisitor Peregrinus what you have outlined there for Ackbar was FAR better than what we got by a mile. It feels thought out, logical and a natural progression for the story and characters. I sent you a PM a few weeks back and if you like feel free to send more if you are so inclined. I'd love to see where you would have taken the overall plot and characters.
As for Heir to the Empire and the Thrawn Trilogy as a whole I really enjoyed it back in the day and like I said I'm likely going to revisit it one last time. I hope it holds up well. I will always have great memories of it though and of meeting Timothy Zahn in 2011. Super nice guy and he was kind enough to autograph my copy of Heir to the Empire and take a quick picture with him. View attachment 1028982