A L I E N FIVE Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie

The franchise is already so damaged by Reserection, and the abysmal AvP movies (call me strange but I don't mind Alien 3, especially the assembly cut) that it would be best to just leave it alone, and let Scott do whatever with Promethius.
 
Personally, I just don't see any point in putting Ripley back into it, or even Newt for that matter.

Me neither but I'm not one for wanting the same thing over and over again. If they're going to bring back characters why not Brett and Parker, I liked them a hell of lot better than Newt.
 
Ditching 3 and 4 would be a no brainer. Having Ripley, Newt, and Hicks back, at east in some capacity would be great. Having a proper trilogy about her character arc would be most satisfying.
 
If only Bill Paxton could be back. "Game over, man!"

We never saw him killed.
Only abducted.
He was taken not to the reactor but to the derelict ship where a small number
of aliens had started a meager hive.
He was able to overcome the few aliens there (improvised and overcame and found his true Marine courage) and survived the reactor blast
because of the hardiness of the advanced nature of the derelicts alien materials construction.
Months later he was rescued after sending a distress signal. Turns out you can actually eat some organs of xenomorphs. How bout that?

Hudson lives. He matured greatly from the near death experience and the death of his foolish bravado, he excelled in the Corp and became a General
later leading a fleet to take the fight to the aliens homeworld.

General William Hudson lives!

Yep. That's what happened.
 
We never saw him killed.
Only abducted.
He was taken not to the reactor but to the derelict ship where a small number
of aliens had started a meager hive.
He was able to overcome the few aliens there (improvised and overcame and found his true Marine courage) and survived the reactor blast
because of the hardiness of the advanced nature of the derelicts alien materials construction.
Months later he was rescued after sending a distress signal. Turns out you can actually eat some organs of xenomorphs. How bout that?

Hudson lives. He matured greatly from the near death experience and the death of his foolish bravado, he excelled in the Corp and became a General
later leading a fleet to take the fight to the aliens homeworld.

General William Hudson lives!

Yep. That's what happened.

Game's not over, until it's over! ;)
 
Well if this is going to start a new trend in movies I vote for the next story rewind to be a retelling of the story of the young and intrepid Obi-Wan and his good friend Anakin. They can start right after Star Wars shows up on the screen in episode 1, before the opening scrawl and go from there. While they're at it can they redo half of Return of the Jedi?
 
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Why Newt & Hicks had to die in Alien 3

Not sure about the AIDS subtext, seems to me the down-to-the line script was forged out of desperation, rather than heavy allegory, but he makes some good points about how the 'happy family' vibe everyone seemed to want was impossible within the framework of another sequel.
 
All things being equal, the ending of "Aliens" was an absolute perfect lay up shot for what could have been an outstanding third outing - there were so many great storytelling trajectories one could extrapolate from that ending, instead what we got was a release date that needed an Alien movie, not an Alien movie that needed a release date.
 
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All things being equal, the ending of "Aliens" was an absolute perfect lay up shot for what could have been an outstanding third outing - there were so many great storytelling trajectories one could extrapolate from that ending, instead what we got was a release date that needed an Alien movie, not an Alien movie that needed a release date.

Which is why so many screenwriters had a shot at it (a total of 9 according to the A3 scripts website) both with and without Hicks. Newt, & even Ripley, without coming up with something satisfying? I've read all of the available ones, and still think that the Hill/Giler effort that was shot is the best of a bad bunch. I think part of the problem was that Aliens essentially ended Ripley's story, and Fox weren't going to back a movie not featuring Ripley. No-one knew what to do with the project that wasn't a rehash of what had gone before and within the budget.
 
I don't think it was a clear case of 9 different writers not being able to come up with something - but more a case of various writers being given a series of missives from the producers, and an ever shifting goal post every time a new flavor-of-the-moment director was brought on board. There were certainly a bunch of writers at that time more then capable of giving us an awesome story - IF they were left alone to come up with something on their own, and not by committee. While Alien most definitely was an example of a 70s film, and the sequel born in that same mentality, once the success of Aliens made the film a franchise series there just became WAYYY too many cooks in that kitchen - and what we got, well... Alien 3 is such a classic example of way too much studio interference, and a great example of a problem that continues through today.

Not sure if you've read it, but this is pretty good summation of the sh!+show that was the development of Alien 3:

http://forum.alienslegacy.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9817
 
Why Newt & Hicks had to die in Alien 3

Not sure about the AIDS subtext, seems to me the down-to-the line script was forged out of desperation, rather than heavy allegory, but he makes some good points about how the 'happy family' vibe everyone seemed to want was impossible within the framework of another sequel.

I get the impression that for many fans the death of Hicks and Newt make it impossible for them to objectively look at Alien³. They wanted a movie where Ripley doesn’t die and lives happily ever after with Hicks and Newt on a space station with a white picket fence and where Bishop is rebuilt and acts as their butler/cook. Despite the low opinion of the movie I think it fits in rather well with the tone of the other two movies which, even though the approach was different, are not dissimilar. Alien³ suffered from a lack of being more mainstream like Aliens.
 
This bit of news hit just as I started building a smart gun. Go figure.


I get the impression that for many fans the death of Hicks and Newt make it impossible for them to objectively look at Alien³. They wanted a movie where Ripley doesn’t die and lives happily ever after with Hicks and Newt on a space station with a white picket fence and where Bishop is rebuilt and acts as their butler/cook. Despite the low opinion of the movie I think it fits in rather well with the tone of the other two movies which, even though the approach was different, are not dissimilar. Alien³ suffered from a lack of being more mainstream like Aliens.

I actually like A3 as a standalone movie and I'm often defending it. In some ways I like it better than the first one and I think Fincher is a fantastic director at times. But I do feel the handling of Bishop, New and Hicks was poorly done and disrespectful to what Cameron did in Aliens. They certainly didn't have to have a white-picket-fence ending, but looking at it today it felt like they were killed off as as a cheap way to introduce what would later be Fincher's signature "everything is hopeless no matter what" angst outlook on things. It's not surprising that Se7en was his next film. It was very evocative, but I have zero desire to ever see it again. If you're going to put me through emotional torture for two hours while I'm watching a franchise movie with established expectations, give me some kind of positive release at the end.

That said, I'm fine with them de-canonizing both 3 and Resurrection. (I doubt either Fincher or Jeunet will care... the latter didn't even seem to care while he was making it!). Go for it. Let's see what can be done. Hudson survived too just like Cessnadriver explained it above. Game not over as Isolation apparently proved.

However, I'm going to be skeptical of this film until I'm given some good reasons not to be. As has been mentioned in this thread, Elysium was rather dull and predictable, but very nice to look at. It's rather telling that everyone heard of this movie through the posting of concept art. If Ridley Scott is indeed producing, I'm afraid we'll have both a producer AND director that are both great visual designers but not very good storytellers from a writing standpoint. There's nothing spectacular in terms of characterization or drama in Alien, beyond masterful visual handling and Prometheus was a train wreck in that respect, but also nice to look at. (And as much as I like Blade Runner, what depth is has cannot be credited in any major way to Scott.) I wonder how much of D9's charm can also be attributed to the fantastic performance of Copley. Chappie looks like it could go either way.

I just hope that when this actually happens, it's not going to a situation where Blomkamp caves to a need to make it his own to the extent that he trashes all hopes and expectations of fans. The next year or two will be quiet interesting...
 
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