a FOOSH GUN thread!
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<div class='quotetop'>(Noeland @ Oct 26 2006, 09:06 PM) [snapback]1345668[/snapback]</div>
They were suppose to be sonic stun guns on the show, and as I reacall they were pretty ineffective on anything but people. :lol They were also used in the episode where they stole the Lassiter laser pistol, the arriving Police had them. I think that you only saw them on episodes that took place on the developed worlds. It was suppose to show how nice and shiny they had things compaired to the outer worlds.
David.
Wow, cool. Thanks again Phil. I never cared for those rifles actually. I thought they looked silly, too "lost in space" for Firefly. It's because of the front end of the thing.
Can't you just see Major West hiding behind a paper mache bolder with one of those?
That said, I want to mention that I unabashedly love the old series. I used to watch it everyday as a kid, and one of the few times I ever got starstruck was meeting Mark Goddard in person. Great guy too.
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They were suppose to be sonic stun guns on the show, and as I reacall they were pretty ineffective on anything but people. :lol They were also used in the episode where they stole the Lassiter laser pistol, the arriving Police had them. I think that you only saw them on episodes that took place on the developed worlds. It was suppose to show how nice and shiny they had things compaired to the outer worlds.
David.
Jedi Lawja
Well-Known Member
I LIKE the concept pistol, alot. Looks like the lower tube could be a flashlight or perhaps laser sight? Wonder what the flames would have looked like coming out the barrel with that interesting internal design.
Jay
Jay
Noeland
Master Member
DAMN. Gotta love thet Ron Cobb.. The man can draw.
Thanks AGAIN Phil. :thumbsup
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Me too.
Krel, I know why the rifles looked how they looked on the show. I know that the Alliance stuff was intended to look very advanced and brand new, and I love the show. But I just never cared for the look of those rifles.
Thanks AGAIN Phil. :thumbsup
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Me too.
Krel, I know why the rifles looked how they looked on the show. I know that the Alliance stuff was intended to look very advanced and brand new, and I love the show. But I just never cared for the look of those rifles.
minieffects
Well-Known Member
Hey guys,
I noticed your thread on the foosh gun and I thought I pass along some info.
Here is the why, where and how the foosh guns were made
Why: the basic priciple behind the foosh gun was that it was a chemical laser and the flame was the waste material from the chemical reaction being expelled.
Where: the now defunct Applied Effects LLC. (www.appliedfx.com)
They were also responsable for the guns in Van Helsing and props for minority report as well as firefly. and yes it is the same riffle in firefly because the same company provided the props. I wouldnt bother contacting them because they are no longer in business and even if they were they do not sell props or copies of props due to there leagal obligation to the studios.
How: Both guns were designed in Solidworks and grown on a 3d wax printer. The wax castings were then
sent to a foundry and investment cast from aluminum and bronze. Once the parts were returned to the shop they were cleaned up and hand assembled. As far as the foosh effect, its the same basic principle of the sandman guns from logans run. Sealed chamber with a small amount of calcium carbide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbide) and water. the reaction creates acetylene gas. The toggle switch near the trigger activates the ignighter (like a small spark plug) and pulling the trigger releases the gas. You had between 1-3 shots per load depending on how long you held the trigger. It was really fun to fire.
Word of caution. These weapons were fabricated by someone with 25 years of special effects expierence and who is also a gun specialist. Do not attempt to replicate these items unless you know what you are doing. If you have any dought DONT DO IT. Im olny saying this because I have been in the film industry for 19 years and I have seen many people hurt because they dont know what they are doing. In addition, If you own or intend to own any of the orginal working guns, please dont try to use them. You dont know what condition they are in. You dont know what the proper load capacity is, nor how to mantain them. Just put them in a nice case and enjoy them.
As far as the stunt copies the same basic process was done, grown, molded, and then cast, only out of flexible or rigid urethane. In addition the orginal guns went to vancover without slides and they had a working light in the small viewing screen. A sort of digital scope. The rifle was the same principle.
A small little factoid the SDCCD on the side of the rifle stood for Super Duper Charged Couple Device. A little joke by its creator.
As near as I can tell the pictures provide are the real thing. There were only 2 rifles made I believe so those are extremely rare. There were alot more pistols, stunt and hero. If the pistols has foss harvester on one side and serial # on the other they are originals. You can tell because they were grown in the part and not engraved after, there are no milling marks. They did present Arnold with a working pistol at the end of the show. He was apparently thrilled and yes he did light a cigar with it. Hope this helps guys. Glad to see that there are people out there that appreciate the work we do in the industry because the producers sure dont.
Happy and safe prop building
Minieffects
I noticed your thread on the foosh gun and I thought I pass along some info.
Here is the why, where and how the foosh guns were made
Why: the basic priciple behind the foosh gun was that it was a chemical laser and the flame was the waste material from the chemical reaction being expelled.
Where: the now defunct Applied Effects LLC. (www.appliedfx.com)
They were also responsable for the guns in Van Helsing and props for minority report as well as firefly. and yes it is the same riffle in firefly because the same company provided the props. I wouldnt bother contacting them because they are no longer in business and even if they were they do not sell props or copies of props due to there leagal obligation to the studios.
How: Both guns were designed in Solidworks and grown on a 3d wax printer. The wax castings were then
sent to a foundry and investment cast from aluminum and bronze. Once the parts were returned to the shop they were cleaned up and hand assembled. As far as the foosh effect, its the same basic principle of the sandman guns from logans run. Sealed chamber with a small amount of calcium carbide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbide) and water. the reaction creates acetylene gas. The toggle switch near the trigger activates the ignighter (like a small spark plug) and pulling the trigger releases the gas. You had between 1-3 shots per load depending on how long you held the trigger. It was really fun to fire.
Word of caution. These weapons were fabricated by someone with 25 years of special effects expierence and who is also a gun specialist. Do not attempt to replicate these items unless you know what you are doing. If you have any dought DONT DO IT. Im olny saying this because I have been in the film industry for 19 years and I have seen many people hurt because they dont know what they are doing. In addition, If you own or intend to own any of the orginal working guns, please dont try to use them. You dont know what condition they are in. You dont know what the proper load capacity is, nor how to mantain them. Just put them in a nice case and enjoy them.
As far as the stunt copies the same basic process was done, grown, molded, and then cast, only out of flexible or rigid urethane. In addition the orginal guns went to vancover without slides and they had a working light in the small viewing screen. A sort of digital scope. The rifle was the same principle.
A small little factoid the SDCCD on the side of the rifle stood for Super Duper Charged Couple Device. A little joke by its creator.
As near as I can tell the pictures provide are the real thing. There were only 2 rifles made I believe so those are extremely rare. There were alot more pistols, stunt and hero. If the pistols has foss harvester on one side and serial # on the other they are originals. You can tell because they were grown in the part and not engraved after, there are no milling marks. They did present Arnold with a working pistol at the end of the show. He was apparently thrilled and yes he did light a cigar with it. Hope this helps guys. Glad to see that there are people out there that appreciate the work we do in the industry because the producers sure dont.
Happy and safe prop building
Minieffects
Noeland
Master Member
Wow. How cool is that? Thanks for making your first post in our modest little foosh gun thread.. And a great post it is too. Thank you so much.
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If you take the time to surf this site I think you will see that we not only have an appreciation for what you do, but in many cases a deep respect and love for what you folks do. For so many of us it's considered an artform.
Now, some questions..
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Let me ask, is this definition from the script, the director, the art department, or the prop department? It's a point of interest to me because I always like to know who invents the logic behind certain props I really like. It's not always the people you think it is, or want it to be.
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That's too bad, you could certainly call me a fan of thier work..
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As much as I appreciate the warning, you might be suprised to learn just how many members here do know what they are doing, and are very safe, and very smart. :angel
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There is a viewing screen? :confused How'd I miss that??? Holy crap..
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Yeah, it helps me to dymystify a favorite prop I didn't know too much about.
That would have been cool to see Arnie lighting a cigar with his foosh gun..
:thumbsup
Thanks again.
Noeland--------------------------
And a great post it is too. Thank you so much.<div class='quotetop'></div>
If you take the time to surf this site I think you will see that we not only have an appreciation for what you do, but in many cases a deep respect and love for what you folks do. For so many of us it's considered an artform.
Now, some questions..
<div class='quotetop'></div>
Let me ask, is this definition from the script, the director, the art department, or the prop department? It's a point of interest to me because I always like to know who invents the logic behind certain props I really like. It's not always the people you think it is, or want it to be.
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That's too bad, you could certainly call me a fan of thier work..
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As much as I appreciate the warning, you might be suprised to learn just how many members here do know what they are doing, and are very safe, and very smart. :angel
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There is a viewing screen? :confused How'd I miss that??? Holy crap..
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Yeah, it helps me to dymystify a favorite prop I didn't know too much about.
That would have been cool to see Arnie lighting a cigar with his foosh gun..
:thumbsup
Thanks again.
Noeland--------------------------
minieffects
Well-Known Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Noeland @ Nov 13 2006, 04:54 PM) [snapback]1356878[/snapback]</div>
If you take the time to surf this site I think you will see that we not only have an appreciation for what you do, but in many cases a deep respect and love for what you folks do. For so many of us it's considered an artform.
Now, some questions..
<div class='quotetop'></div>
Let me ask, is this definition from the script, the director, the art department, or the prop department? It's a point of interest to me because I always like to know who invents the logic behind certain props I really like. It's not always the people you think it is, or want it to be.
To be honest I dont know for sure but knowing Ron (Ron Cobb) it came from him. The script probabley called for a high tech weapon and the director gave the production designer a direction to go and Ron went from there. I know the helicopter idea was mostly Rons if not all Rons idea.
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That's too bad, you could certainly call me a fan of thier work..
Yea and they are good people to work with, all very dear friends.
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As much as I appreciate the warning, you might be suprised to learn just how many members here do know what they are doing, and are very safe, and very smart. :angel
Understood, however I allways feel compelled to remind people as we all get complacent. I meant no disrespect, and certainly appreciate the feedback.
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There is a viewing screen? :confused How'd I miss that??? Holy crap..
Yea but the slide addition covered it. If you look at the first pic on the post you can see that its the box on the top above the grip.
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Yeah, it helps me to dymystify a favorite prop I didn't know too much about.
That would have been cool to see Arnie lighting a cigar with his foosh gun..
:thumbsup
Thanks again.
Noeland--------------------------
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Wow. How cool is that? Thanks for making your first post in our modest little foosh gun thread..
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If you take the time to surf this site I think you will see that we not only have an appreciation for what you do, but in many cases a deep respect and love for what you folks do. For so many of us it's considered an artform.
Now, some questions..
<div class='quotetop'></div>
Let me ask, is this definition from the script, the director, the art department, or the prop department? It's a point of interest to me because I always like to know who invents the logic behind certain props I really like. It's not always the people you think it is, or want it to be.
To be honest I dont know for sure but knowing Ron (Ron Cobb) it came from him. The script probabley called for a high tech weapon and the director gave the production designer a direction to go and Ron went from there. I know the helicopter idea was mostly Rons if not all Rons idea.
<div class='quotetop'></div>
That's too bad, you could certainly call me a fan of thier work..
Yea and they are good people to work with, all very dear friends.
<div class='quotetop'></div>
As much as I appreciate the warning, you might be suprised to learn just how many members here do know what they are doing, and are very safe, and very smart. :angel
Understood, however I allways feel compelled to remind people as we all get complacent. I meant no disrespect, and certainly appreciate the feedback.
<div class='quotetop'></div>
There is a viewing screen? :confused How'd I miss that??? Holy crap..
Yea but the slide addition covered it. If you look at the first pic on the post you can see that its the box on the top above the grip.
<div class='quotetop'></div>
Yeah, it helps me to dymystify a favorite prop I didn't know too much about.
That would have been cool to see Arnie lighting a cigar with his foosh gun..
:thumbsup
Thanks again.
Noeland--------------------------
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Propsjonnyb
Well-Known Member
I came across this thread by accident , I still have the original foosh pistol , in my collection, I did not sell it to anyone , and have been considering off an on,over the years if it were feasible or cost effective . to get it working as it was decommissioned (stripped) when I bought it .
Can you show us some pictures?
firstdog02
New Member
Re: a FOOSH GUN thread!
Hi! I came across this thread via google and discovered this terrific site. I am selling a screen-used prop Foosh gun on ebay. I was just curious if anyone would know its current value?
I also have, apparently, one of the two hero Foosh rifles. I never realized that there were only two produced. Any thoughts on its value?
And if it's okay to ask, I was wondering if ebay was the best place to sell a prop Foosh gun.
Oh...one more thing...some producers appreciate your work more than you will ever know. Thanks!
Hi! I came across this thread via google and discovered this terrific site. I am selling a screen-used prop Foosh gun on ebay. I was just curious if anyone would know its current value?
I also have, apparently, one of the two hero Foosh rifles. I never realized that there were only two produced. Any thoughts on its value?
And if it's okay to ask, I was wondering if ebay was the best place to sell a prop Foosh gun.
Oh...one more thing...some producers appreciate your work more than you will ever know. Thanks!
