2011 Red Y-Wing: Build Thread™

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  1. moffeaton

    moffeaton Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I just received the early casting of the new Y-Wing, in Red flavor™... it is a stunner. I do not say this lightly. It is a completely new beast from any thing that has preceded it, and absolutely DECIMATES the older kits and MR offering. I just washed the parts in warm soapy water, and will spend the next few days wrapping my head around this thing, so I can begin making the instructions for everyone. I'll be tackling the nest of piping first - it's gonna be the most tedious but also probably a very rewarding part of the build for a lot of you guys. My personal aim is to make this easy and concise, for builders from "this is my first resin kit" to "jaded old fart". I can't get over what Neisen, his team, and Salzo have wrought. It's... it's... full of stars....

    Hey, it's wet and free of any hand oils!
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  2. jedimaster

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    Tiz a thing of beauty.. Looking forward to your buildup.
     
  3. Tsophika

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    Man, this thing looks nice. I can't wait to see what you make of it.
     
  4. NakedBrain

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    Wow - cool, Jason. Been a long time coming... I know you will do it justice.

    Am I correct in remembering that all of the pipes are cast details? Approximately how many plant-on parts would you say there are?

    Thanks for sharing, and move it further away from your stove, for god's sake, man! :)
     
  5. Nwerke

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    Dear god...it's beautiful!
     
  6. Colin Droidmilk

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    Haaaaaaaaaallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah..!

    O God, who art in the highest, we give thanks this day for thy bountiful etc.
     
  7. ralphee

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    I see the engine cans have the access already cut in too, got to add all the mounting points to this, its my mission.

    As for the plumbing, the prop seems a use a green electrical conduit that holds its shape well? Cant say id want to use a cast resin hose?

    Cant wait to see more J!

    lee
     
  8. Scott Graham

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    Lee: when you mentioned a green conduit that holds its shape, I immediately thought of florists wire. Could it be this stuff? It's been around like this forever in my lifetime.
     
  9. ralphee

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    Not sure Scott, the prop has used some form of green wire for sure, well, as far as i can see.
    Im sure Jason has this already in his head on how he will pull it off, just brainfarting as to how i may tackle it i guess.

    lee
     
  10. ralphee

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    As it goes Scott, that just may be the perfect solution now i really look, easy to shape, the right color, and plastic coated for paint.

    lee
     
  11. mslz22

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    I was under the impression that the pipes were just stripped electrical wires, if you guys have seen pics with some green in it, it would stand to reason that the copper would turn green over time......I have not really studied y wings much so i may be way off...
    mike
     
  12. ralphee

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    True Mike, if it were copper, it would green over time, but to me they do look plastic, as if they were maybe heavy gauge electrical wire?

    Anyhoo, Jason, sorry to discuss this in your thread, but im not even sure the "kit" thread is running anymore due to the police...well, policing.

    lee
     
  13. mslz22

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    Yeah, i was thinking it may have been household electrical wires, maybe some stripped and some still in the jacket? I was thinking some of the thicker pipes looked a lot like the 14gauge wire I used to wire the shop. Again i have not really spent a ton of time looking at the ref so it was just a thought.
     
  14. Apophis

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    There were 2 sizes of wire, dont know what size, but on my Y kit, i used 12 gauge SOLID green insulated wire, some wires were stripped of insulation and some were 16 gauge.
    If you are going to use the green insulated wire make sure it isnt stranded.
    http://www.therpf.com/f10/oh-no-not-another-red-y-wing-73351/
     
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  15. NakedBrain

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    Cool, Jerry! Wire will be a lot easier to bend than brass tubing, me thinks. :)
     
  16. Treadwell

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    Sure looks great! Super smooth and clean.

    Copper is exposed by paint scraped off piping on at least one Y. Also, at least one of them used piping from a Tamiya Ferrari racer, the 1/12 312 T4 I think. The really wonky pipes that turn sharply on themselves.

    I've never memorized the details that differentiate the individual Ys, so I don't know if any of this applies to the Jammer.
     
  17. Scott Graham

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    I don't know much about electrical wires, but from my experience they wouldn't tend to hold a shape when bent. That's what brought about the florist wire idea. The florist wire wouldn't be very thick if used, as far as I know too. But it would hold bends in it and is made to do so. But I guess the solid core electrical wire would hold bends too, wouldn't it?
     
  18. Colin Droidmilk

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    Being a lazy *, I'm hoping we get the resin pipes that Steve showed off in the other thread...
     
  19. moffeaton

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    Sorry to CRUSH YOUR DREAMS (hehe), but you'll be getting templates that act as a guide for pipe widths and bending. I'll post them here as I go along, so people can get a head start if they wish - but it might be a good idea to wait until the kits are in-hand, just so you have something to reference against.

    Today is all about cleaning and cooking and prep for a Halloween Party, so I won't have any time to work on this until tomorrow. I'l have more pics then of course.

    I also still have all my notes from the hands-on-with-calipers session I had with the original prop, so you'll also get nose gun brass width and length instructions, and length data on the Plastruct T rods for the engines! It should be the same as the MR Y-Wings, since we were held to that particular model for certain things, but it's good to reference the original specs.

    I tried to get close to Pantone color codes with the deco, too - so you can maybe get close to the color on the Red Y, 30 years on. I assume it has shifted a bit, with exposure to light, dust, pot smoke, etc.
     
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  20. mslz22

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    I can say that the first time i looked at the sample pipes (from the other thread) in person my first thought in regard to them in resin was.....no way. The issue is that they will all require a 2 part mold, that means 2 seams on each of these twisty, and sometimes thin pipes, which means that they will most likely never be true round. I think it may even be less work to bend them than to clean all those parts, and the bent pipes would look much better.....I may be wrong but that was my first impression....
    mike
     
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  21. -... . .- --..

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    My newest, most favoritist thread.

    Go J!
     
  22. achilles266

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    Looks awesome can't wait to see it built up. Better start thinking about the pipes then.
     
  23. hugescale

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    Hi Jason,
    Most likely you have it allready in your mind.
    Anyway: Please can you start the instructions with a "parts list" or a picture with all the parts layed out. That would make it easier to check, if the kit is complete.
    Thank you very much.

    Michael
     
  24. jedimaster

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    Hi Jason with regards to the Pantone paint. I always regarded the red y as being caboose red with a misted original base color. Perhaps the closest being tamiya insignia white over the obvious grey and black primer/ base coat. Although some of the refs appearing to be orange on color for the red markings we know without the flash they are obviously red. Just wanting you're thoughts on the color markings of the original I guess.
     
  25. Colin Droidmilk

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    OK, I'll man up and scratch pipes, lol....thanks for helping us all out with this...
     
  26. ralphee

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    My choice would be Caboose too Simon, years ago, i took the wrong advice and went too orange, im sure J can confirm this for sure though.

    Base colors, insignia sounds a great idea, with light misting on the main hull of a "concrete" maybe to get the hue as correct as possible?

    Really looking forward to hearing Jason's thoughts though, its always best to hear from the man who got hands on!

    lee
     
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  27. GKvfx

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    Knowing you Jason, it's going to need to be washed a couple of times...... :confused

    Gene
     
  28. moffeaton

    moffeaton Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    "show me on this slightly smaller scale model of yourself where he touched you"


     
  29. DARKSIDE72

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    I've only been waiting... (working) for this to come to fruition since... 98'? Can't wait to see more! Can't wait to see the gold versions! :love
     
  30. KrokoHunter

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    Know that your hard labour is truly appreciated and utterly admired :cheers
     
  31. Nwerke

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    Hey Jamie. Is it safe to show my MoM Y-wing pics now?? :lol Seriously, you guys rock. I'm blown away by what we've seen so far of this kit, well done!!
     
  32. moffeaton

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    Jamie, it's SUCH a work of art, it's insane. I'm waiting on the last batch of parts to arrive, so I can catalog and do the checklist... it's really well engineered. Simply stunning.
     
  33. Gort

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    Judging by the pics this looks like a fantastic kit. Can't wait to get one.
    Who's on the roll call for delivering this beauty apart from Jamie, Steve & Mike? - the patterns are clearly very cleverly done based on the casts.

    Nick
     
  34. moffeaton

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    John C, for sure!
     
  35. swpropmaker

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    Gort Roll Call for Red Jammer build team!

    Build Team:

    John Curilla, ILM equal pattern maker, vintage kit collector, greeble hunter, kit engineer

    Dan Loes, vinatge kit collector, greeble hunter extraordinaire.

    Jamie Farthing, pattern maker, kit collector, greeble hunter, kit engineer and Y wing Jedi master.

    Isel Caro, kit collector, greeble hunter.

    Steve Neisen, kit engineer, mold maker, casting, pattern maker, greeble hunter.

    I hope Jason can show the effort on the build thread that went into this pattern... with it's accuracy and the attention we put in with the model maker in mind. It is a work of art.

    Steve
     
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  36. ralphee

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    The master pattern alone was just out of this world on this one, i spoke to Mike a while back, even he commented it was maybe the singlemost beautiful master EVER made, my exact thoughts when i got sent the pics from Steve.
    She is a labor of pure love, from research, to pattern, to final casting, this really is a GK that ticks all the boxes.

    lee
     
  37. moffeaton

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    I will be exacting and careful, like never before. This baby deserves it! I'll also be bouncing a few things off of John along the way to ensure I'm interpreting things correctly!

    I was thinking about adding 1/4-20 threaded adapters to the interior of the Engine/wing armature, for easy Panavise use. Also had the bar come to me unthreaded - so I will probably drill and cut 1/4-20 threads for the same reason... I'd imagine this will be the most popular solution, and of course, people can always make a bigger hole if they want to use a thicker pipe.
     
  38. gunther1937

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    :confused Hi everyone, Is there still (7) available spots or "Kits" offered on the wants list? :confusedI'm a little confused- if they are, these 7 spots are reffering to the "Red Jammer-Version" only right? Special limited run of -I think it said (50) kits? After these then only the "Gold Leader" & other Gold version Y's will be offered on a "new" list-I hope :$.
     
  39. DARKSIDE72

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    Couldn't have said it better. A lot of people to thank for this!

     
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  40. Gort

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    Well, congratulations guys. Looks like you've knocked it out the park on this one - I shall watch this build thread with great keeness and possibly a little drooling.
     
  41. DARKSIDE72

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    It really is Jason. Post more pictures!!

    My personal contributions are much more geared towards the gold versions. But i think we can all look at this final product and remember talking about specific areas or details amongst our group.

    I've been out of the loop for a bit due to personal reasons, but I'm feeling better about life in general and seeing this finally happen puts a big smile on my face.

    I hope we can pull off the rest of our projects! :)
     
  42. GKvfx

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    Heh..... Jason said "thicker pipe"...... :lol

    Anyways, from this photo it looks like a mix of (solid) copper wire and that plastic coated Plastruct stuff......


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    Gene
     

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  43. moffeaton

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    Sweet! That's the TIE Killer Y-Wing, and you can see some greeblies have dropped off!

    Nice to see they used the ABS T-rod too. I though someone said they used some vintage brass version? I never was able to find any in brass...

    I NOMINATE GENE FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSE!
     
  44. Scott Graham

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    Looks like no pressure Jason! :)

    Congratulations on knocking it out of the park with complete accuracy on this to all you guys involved for the past 13 years since its inception! What and accomplishment.
     
  45. joewhite

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    That's one badass picture of the ILM bird!

    Darkside72, I'm actually looking forward to the Gold version more than the jammer.

    The Jammer from what I can see looks really, really awesome. I'm on the list for it but I'd honestly rather have the Gold Leader. I'm just not really into the Red Jammer.

    Joe
     
  46. Scott Graham

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    Yeah Gene, nice pic. Never saw that one before. WOW!
     
  47. jedimaster

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    Ha I new it. Bought some ABS T rod last week. Great job on this to all involved and great pic Gene. Thanks.
     
  48. swpropmaker

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    Jason... Im thinking thats not TIE Killa...could be pyro .....the top wing details (kettenkrad brackets) are backwards matching all the reference of the Pyro castings and the other hero Y versions I have.. it also looks like an entire casting... the hero model reference we have for TIE killa shows it detailed differently. Gold leader also shares upper wing detail simular to the Red jammer...not the other hero models.. weird.

    The owner of the orginal TIE Killa aka Gold Leader 100% says the T rod on the hero model he helped make for Star Wars is Brass Beam that was used on model rail road track and was cut down. He says it is metal. Said they spent alot of time "milling" the edge down as the ABS T would not withstand the heat of the lights... He directed me to a photo (you also have) that shows the uneven cut edge.. Guys all i can say is what he passed on.... Ohh the mysterys... anyhow... its an awsome photo..thanks Gene... but I still think Red Jammer was piped with green colored wire. The ref pics we have show it pretty clear..

    Well.. after further review the MOM Y wing definately looks like it used ABS T... I can see the injection marks (lil circles) on the top edge of the T.... these injection marks are not found on the Gold Leader reference. You guys know this picture?

    [​IMG]

    Doesnt look like ABS here... maybe Gold Leader was one of the first made and they used the rail road Rail brass... man to have been a fly onthe wall back in 76....


    Steve
     
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  49. ralphee

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    Is it me, or is that armature tube on that pyro ABS tubing too?
    Great pic, thankyou Gene.

    Lee
     
  50. GKvfx

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    RE: the photo I just posted - I'll look through a couple of photos of known pyro Y-wings (any shots you see of it hanging from monofilament - that's a pyro ship), but I don't think this is a pyro ship. There is far too much custom detail for what I would consider something that is going to be expendable.

    Also, based on what else is on the same roll of negative (lens tests and some shots of the electronic control system for the Dflex being built), I think this is fairly early on in the process - too early for them to be building individual ships for pyro shots.

    Gene

    PS - can someone point me to a FAQ on "TIE Killer" and "Red Jammer" and all that nomenclature? They all just look like Y-wings to me....
     

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