1/1 James Bond by Howard Studios

[GBOOTHROYD]

Wow, you guys are extremely harsh. And for the Christians among you, it's Holy week too. I think the term WWJD applies here. I hope you all feel good about your selves.Steve, don't worry about it. As long as Doug is happy, I'm happy too. He expressed an interest in more Bond busts as well for all the Bond vehicles and props in the Ian Fleming Foundation's collection. I guess you have the last laugh here, don't you buddy.Howard, don't worry either. You are a professional. It's so funny to see the bashing here about your work when they all fall over themselves to get one of your busts every time you create a new one. All I can say is Sideshow Toy. Guess you get the last laugh too.GB

 

[mike d]

Im sure nobody meant to hurt your feelings. You are being way too defensive about your work. The bust is cool, but the paintjob obviously (in my opinion) makes it a bit cartoony. This could be because the photos are taken with flash or because of bad lighting or lack of other skintones. Afew more shots in daylight would have been cool

Was this more constructive?

 

[ave4uevoli]

-sigh- missed this post for a day - and damn.. it exploded..

First off - I just wanted to say that I do like Steve and Howards work. I have dealt with or have pieces from each of them and they're good people. People who have been on the boards for a while know of their work, and know that both of them, in terms of, customer service are very professional - and they try their best. On these boards and as a prop collector finding people that you can rely on - and trust is a hard thing to do. The people that do provide this should be treated with respect.:thumbsup

On the sculpt and paintjobs themselves - I'm definitely not a professional - I couldn't paint for my life - but I can sculpt balls and worms like no other...:lol

But I have seen enough props in my life to know when something "looks about right" or doesn't....and that just takes time and dedication looking at thousands of reference pictures...I think many of us on this board can also spot similar issues and can offer opinions of other people's work.

This may be too idealistic - but I thought that these board were here for "constructive" criticism. All posts here should have said: "I don't really like it... the sculpt looks a tad too fat" or "I don't really like the paint job - perhaps if you tried darkening the eyebrows...or adding a little more highlights in the hair...or something.. .(i don't think that you should actually darken the eyebrows..or the sculpt is too fat... i was just using that as an example)...

I think posts can also be done in a more diplomatic way. We're all supposed to be friends here. If your best friend got a new pool in their backyard you wouldn't go over and say to his face "Dude, your pool sucks" so people here shouldn't do it here either. You CAN say "Dude, your pool would be better if you put rails around it like I did..." or something.

The point is - if people offered CONSTRUCTIVE criticism - it would help steve or howard actually improve - or vice versa - if people offered their constructive criticism and later on they realized their mistake through other posts or through responses from steve or howard- that person would learn something too.

I agree with PHarchivist not everyone has the same diplomatic skills (but the penis size thing will need to be debated in another forum) - so yes, it is up to the artist to also realize this and if they get what appears to be a harsh comment - to simply ask "well, what can I do to improve it?" If an artist calls someone out like that - and the poster has nothing to say - everyone will also realize that the harsh poster is full of sh** and should be disregarded. If the poster does have a suggestion and does express it - it's up to the artist to decide if he'll listen - and others will also have the opportunity to chime in and reply to the suggestion.. that way, we ALL learn - rather than just hurt each other's feelings.

The posts started to blur together a little - But I only noticed a few posts that would actually help steve or howard..... and that's not what I thought this board was here for....

(by the way - I accept criticism on my collection as well - and many things that people have said to me here on this board, I have listened to so I could improve my collection)

damn it people.. just get along with each other!:angry - I for one would like to continue seeing howard and steves work on this board.

 

[GBOOTHROYD]

I concur.

 

[doody]

These boards can be brutal in many different ways. Of course the opposite is true as well. Not always fun.

 

[mverta]

Way to attack the messengers. If Steve had simply said, "thanks for the input," this would've been over before it started. That's the classy and professional way to handle it. Getting defensive and immediately calling people names is childish, and that's what caused the problems.

Steve has already expressed unambiguously that he has no interest in hearing any non-positive comments, so by posting in a public forum of opinion-givers, he set himself up, and couldn't deal.

_Mike

 

[ave4uevoli]

Way to attack the messengers. If Steve had simply said, "thanks for the input," this would've been over before it started. That's the classy and professional way to handle it. Getting defensive and immediately calling people names is childish, and that's what caused the problems.

Steve has already expressed unambiguously that he has no interest in hearing any non-positive comments, so by posting in a public forum of opinion-givers, he set himself up, and couldn't deal.

_Mike

I don't know if this was in response to my comment - but I did address how artists could also improve their responses as well, I wasn't just targeting the "messengers".... I stated rather than replying in a harsh way.. to ask "well what can I do to improve the piece?"..... to fish for something constructive.

yes. "thanks for the input" would work as well..and all this would not have happened - but no one would have gotten any constructive advice out of that - again, I thought the boards were around so that everyone could "learn"..... I think that may be too idealistic, but I like to keep thinking this.

 

[mverta]

"thanks for the input" would work as well..and all this would not have happened - but no one would have gotten any constructive advice out of that

What? That's STEVE'S response I'm saying, especially if he disagrees/doesn't like it. If he'd just done that, you'd have all your useful input and learning from people's comments, minus the defensive, petulant name calling he immediately resorted to.

This was never complicated. One micron of self-restraint and ego security is all it takes.

_Mike

 

[streetjudge79]

What? That's STEVE'S response I'm saying, especially if he disagrees/doesn't like it. If he'd just done that, you'd have all your useful input and learning from people's comments, minus the defensive, petulant name calling he immediately resorted to.

This was never complicated. One micron of self-restraint and ego security is all it takes.

_Mike

Did you not read my first reply "Wow, thanks" After the cartoon comment.The more insulting the comments got after that, I felt like i should be defensive. It didn't have to escalate but you and the others CHOSE to keep it going. Not me.
No, it's not that I don't want to hear unpositive comments, just not comments made out of poor taste. You guys have no clue how to give constructive criticism without hurting somebody's feelings. That is my point.
Ok, this is my final comment (for real this time..lol)

 

[atacpdx]

Okaaayyy then....

SJ - The criticism did not escalate as you allege before you got defensive. And in a direct non-positive/non-negative way let me say, the paintjob is not one of the best I have seen from you.

Howard - You came out of the gates swinging so don't be surprised you got hit back. Again, neutral tone on this opinion...Not your best work by far.

As for the rest, this was the usual shouting match followed by the usual screams of "Can't we all just get along in a prop utopia?" and "Kumbaya".


We now know that SJ & H neither want nor will tolerate honest feedback and we know that according to them, the RPF is a cesspit of negativity. So all you negatives just leave them alone!!! :angel

Oh and all newbies shall henceforth be required to attend the Miss Manners 101 class within 30 days of joining. (Curriculum to be designed by SJ and his appointees)

 

[GBOOTHROYD]

On and on and on. The yammering just never stops. Just keep taking pot shots why don't you. You've said your peace so just drop it. Now it's getting to the level of baiting.

 

[Funky]

Wow! I can't believe I scrolled over this ignorant rant!

First off, I take critiques everyday I work... I work for many clients and every day they have something to say about my work. If you read above Foolio you'd see I'm sick of attacks away from my own threads... attacks that are not constructive what so ever!

I'm glad that what ever 'respect' you had for me is now gone :lol

H

"Foolio". Now you've resorted to name calling? That's a new low in low's, even for YOU! And I didn't think that was possible! lol:lol

 

[GBOOTHROYD]

Makes no difference. Howard and Steve still get the last laugh. All the way to the bank.

 

[Archie Opteryx]

 

[streetjudge79]

Okaaayyy then....

SJ - The criticism did not escalate as you allege before you got defensive. And in a direct non-positive/non-negative way let me say, the paintjob is not one of the best I have seen from you.

Howard - You came out of the gates swinging so don't be surprised you got hit back. Again, neutral tone on this opinion...Not your best work by far.

As for the rest, this was the usual shouting match followed by the usual screams of "Can't we all just get along in a prop utopia?" and "Kumbaya".


We now know that SJ & H neither want nor will tolerate honest feedback and we know that according to them, the RPF is a cesspit of negativity. So all you negatives just leave them alone!!! :angel

Oh and all newbies shall henceforth be required to attend the Miss Manners 101 class within 30 days of joining. (Curriculum to be designed by SJ and his appointees)

Yet another brainless comment from someone who just wants to take cheap pot shots. Actually you would be first in line for that school!!!

 

[Prop Collector]

Wow dude, that is pretty damn harsh. Yes there is plenty of shading/highlighting. You are obviously blind. The flesh tone is not way off, you are. And since you are new here, there's the door, don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out. Nice first impression

How does a comment like this make you any better than him? :confused

 

[streetjudge79]

And who are you, the thread police? Mind your own business.

 

[streetjudge79]

I am going to ask again. ADMINS LOCK THIS DOWN

 

[dblank]

"Foolio". Now you've resorted to name calling? That's a new low in low's, even for YOU! And I didn't think that was possible! lol:lol

Considering Howard offers great high quality items, Packs and boxes them extremely well, Ships very quickly and includes tracking numbers and if he's commissioned for a sculpt will make many changes until the client is happy with the sculpt and as far as I've seen has never ripped anyone off I guess calling someone "Foolio" would be a new low for him. Great observation Funky Jedi!

 

[M Bison]

Wow, this is really sad. I have been impressed by both StreetJudge and Howard's work in the past, but this was not the best work from either. That is all I am going to say. Is it a nice piece? Yes it is.

What is sad is how this thread has devolved. Had StreetJudge and Howard just not risen to the bait, this would have all blown over, but now its turned into a pissing match and now Streetjudge is wanting the thread closed. Just let it run its course and forget about it StreetJudge and Howard. You guys do great work.

I think it is a bit presumptuous to come in here and expect everyone to lavish praise over every peice you do. Just like the great artists through history, some of their stuff was simply not up to their normal level. That happens sometimes. Get over it already.