Oh and since you are the NEW expert, let's see your painting skills!! I guess I really suck at painting when a lot of the members here continue to hire me to paint their busts. Hmmmm.
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Oh and since you are the NEW expert, let's see your painting skills!! I guess I really suck at painting when a lot of the members here continue to hire me to paint their busts. Hmmmm.
An update on pics. Eyelashes added today.
http://members.aol.com/caspid/bond4.jpg
http://members.aol.com/caspid/bond5.jpg
http://members.aol.com/caspid/bond4.jpg
http://members.aol.com/caspid/bond5.jpg
PHArchivist
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To Steve's earlier point - it IS clearly evident that you get what you pay for.
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PHArchivist
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...and the pissing contest continues. :rolleyes
HEY!!! For the record - MY schlong is bigger than everyone else's here, I can sculpt it better than ANY of you, and I am THE specialist when it comes to painting it!! So there!
Come on, guys! I more or less like all the "players" on this thread, but now this is gettng more childish that my FIVE-year-old. :confused GROW UP guys, or go back to elementary school.
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armandb
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Incredible -I have a right to speak my mind here as everyone else does. I may be new HERE but not new to painting. Simply trying to not let a good artist go under false/negative criticism without someone standing up. I respect Howard's work and think that it takes talent and skill to create these pieces. Slave1 said everything in a nutshell. Well done. :thumbsup
Dymerski
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WOW!!! had to say something, It is a wonder anyone shows thier stuff on the RPF...GEEZZZZZZ
Hey look what I did...cross hairs go up...on target...FIRE!!!!!!!! HIT!!!!
I think, in my humble opinion, the only thing that sucks are the pics. Not Steves fault, Taking pics of busts are soooo difficult.
Remember...the only 100% accurate prop is the real prop, the same with a sculpt...if it is not a life cast...well...you know
Dean
Hey look what I did...cross hairs go up...on target...FIRE!!!!!!!! HIT!!!!
I think, in my humble opinion, the only thing that sucks are the pics. Not Steves fault, Taking pics of busts are soooo difficult.
Remember...the only 100% accurate prop is the real prop, the same with a sculpt...if it is not a life cast...well...you know
Dean
Man, get off the new guy's nuts already. He called it like he saw it, and the artist got his panties in a bunch because he can't separate his ego from his work. Period. If the artist was so secure in his craft, he wouldn't be so easily shaken - he'd have just said thanks and moved on, which is the only professional thing to do, instead of acting like a kid on the playground yelling, "Oh yeah?!" Then on his own time, he can call the guy a clueless wanker or whatever. The level at which you can't hear criticism is the highest level your craft will ever go.
******, my own mother told me my music sucked when I was 7. God love her or I'd still be writing like a 7-year old.
_Mike
******, my own mother told me my music sucked when I was 7. God love her or I'd still be writing like a 7-year old.
_Mike
Cyberman
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Hmmmmmm I think this has really got out of hand.
Did tact go out of the window? Have we got no feelings anymore? There's a big difference between criticism and CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Think about it... you are attacking hours and hours of very hard work here so if you don't like it fine but please be more diplomatic. I'm sure I speak for all my fellow creative sorts on the planet... we artists are a sensitive bunch so please show us more respect (we're not asking for immunity from criticism).... Just don't be harsh or nasty.
Thanks
Did tact go out of the window? Have we got no feelings anymore? There's a big difference between criticism and CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Think about it... you are attacking hours and hours of very hard work here so if you don't like it fine but please be more diplomatic. I'm sure I speak for all my fellow creative sorts on the planet... we artists are a sensitive bunch so please show us more respect (we're not asking for immunity from criticism).... Just don't be harsh or nasty.
Thanks
Slave1
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Well said, Mike. This thread has deviated quite a bit from the topic, but the discussion of critique is an interesting one.
I write fiction, and once a month I attend a group read where we critique each other's work. To someone just starting to attend the group, it feels insulting to hear someone tear into your hard work and express their opinion. But those beginning attendees have not learned to seperate themselves from the work.
Sometimes a good point is made, sometimes a remark is stupid or uneducated. I still get something out of it. One time out of ten someone will point out something I've never considered. Or they point out a logistical mistake in my writing that I've overlooked.
Now, when the comments are stupid, I still graciously accept them.
Seperate the work from the artist. Consider the negative criticism as seriously as the positive, try to step back and seperate your own ego from the work and ask yourself if the person has a point. If you don't agree, fine. But maybe, just maybe, you if they do have a point, listening may help improve your level of work.
And yes, critics should be diplomatic and use words like, "I think," and "you may want to consider . . ."
Kudos to anyone who has the guts to lay their work out for everyone to see on this board.
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Give me a break; I've been writing music professionally for 20 years, and doing visual fx for 15 - I'm as artsy and sensitive as the next dude. But bottom line: you're either ready to hear criticism or you're not. The guy was not disrespectful, he just didn't qualify his criticisms with all the usual B.S. Like the man says, "The truth comes after the 'but'"
"I know I'm new here, and I think you're work is really great, and you're a professional and I hope you don't get mad:love because I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, and I don't have a right 'cause I couldn't do any better:unsureand this is just my opinion so don't put to much stock in it:angel...
...BUT..."
My man just cut to it already. Get some backbone and keep your eye on the prize.
_Mike
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Chewie15
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I think I'll chime in here one more time because I don't think what I wrote is making any sense?
I have no issues with criticism, at all! I usually run with good suggestions... my main point was that Steve was showing a paint job and one of the first things was someone attacking the sculpt?? How in the world does that have anything to do with his post? Someone posted the Emperor I sculpted and everyone here posted pics of a fellow sculptors version and trashed it? how in the world is any of that constructive criticism?? PLEASE, tell me?
I really don't think it's worth explaining things anymore... but when people say I have no room for honest critique, give me a break!
H
I have no issues with criticism, at all! I usually run with good suggestions... my main point was that Steve was showing a paint job and one of the first things was someone attacking the sculpt?? How in the world does that have anything to do with his post? Someone posted the Emperor I sculpted and everyone here posted pics of a fellow sculptors version and trashed it? how in the world is any of that constructive criticism?? PLEASE, tell me?
I really don't think it's worth explaining things anymore... but when people say I have no room for honest critique, give me a break!
H
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It's clear you don't respect anyone and for a new guy, not a good way to make friends here.
Which artist are you referring to? I had enough of the newbies jumping on criticising people's work. I'm sure you wouldn't like it and I'm sure he would not have the balls to say it to peoples faces here. If you have nothing nice to say about someone's work, don't say anything at all. That is just
common sense . I sure as hell don't bash peoples work here no matter how bad it sucks. You just don't do that.
Howard , many of these guys here are not worth explaining anything to. They are just here to criticize and hurt peoples feelings without any remourse. And since they cannot do the job themselves it makes them feel better. It's a shame that people like this are members here.
I can take constructive criticism, but start ripping my work apart when you can't even do it yourself, and telling me it sucks/whatever, then you crossed the line. Bottom line, the client absolutely loves the photos I sent him and he cannot wait to get it. That is all that matters. And since this thread, I got commissioned to paint 2 more busts.
So I should actually thank these losers who purposely came in to bash me and you for the added advertising.
Chewie15
Sr Member
Wow! I can't believe I scrolled over this ignorant rant!
First off, I take critiques everyday I work... I work for many clients and every day they have something to say about my work. If you read above Foolio you'd see I'm sick of attacks away from my own threads... attacks that are not constructive what so ever!
I'm glad that what ever 'respect' you had for me is now gone :lol
H
Sure, I'll tell you. There are only two possibilities:
1) The person was simply interested in being hurtful and abusive to you personally, so they took the time to post/show images/make comparisons/etc. just to make their abuse all the more stinging.
2) The person had a reaction to the work and took the time/did all that stuff to offer criticism.
See, it doesn't really matter what form the criticism takes. If the guy is Mr. Diplomat, fine. If he's Mr. A-Hole, that's fine too - his problem. Our job as artists is to take it all in and sort it out on our own time. Our professional response to anyone doing number 2 and not number 1 is to say thank you and move on. 99% of criticisms fall into category #2, and you should be grateful that your work provoked an emotional response at all. People get even MORE upset when nobody says anything at all! Hell, even the #1'ers can just be ignored rather than throw your feces at them from inside your cage.
My favorite critics are "laypeople" who can't express themselves in "my world" terms, but try to find words they think will mean something. So if someone sees these pics and thinks maybe it's the sculpt or maybe it's the paint, and they're wrong, that's fine - they're trying to get at something - it doesn't look real to them. Just take it and roll with it, and absolutely exhaust from every conceivable angle its potential usefulness to your craft. If it isn't, then don't get worked up about it, just move on.
_Mike
I don't think you could've said any more clearly that you're not interested in criticism. The mark of a true professional.
Reality check: Posting your work publicly will draw criticism. Also, there is no Santa. It's a harsh world, sorry.
_Mike
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What is that supposed to mean? I'm trying to give a more inexpensive alternative to the collectors here who can't afford to pay $ 500-$1,000 for a lifesize bust fully finished. I'm not giving them crappy paintjobs or work because I'm cheap. I like doing what I do, I don't really do this solely to make money.Believe me, I can make a lot more money sitting in my squad car at an off duty job doing nothing and for much less hours than I put into a bust. It's fun for me and gives me experience. I'm no Fx artist so if you want FX quality work, go hire Steve Wang or someone of their calibur. It still does not give the right for these newbie jerks to come in here and Bash Howard and me.
First, I'm not a professional nor never claimed to be. You want a professional, hire Steve Wang, this is a hobby for me so get off my ass Mike. You are one of these guys that just don't get it . I guess you have no common courtesy skills either. There is a huge difference between constructive criticism and pure bashing.
Oh and Mike, lets see you paint up a Howard bust so I can rip it apart too.
I'd love to see what you can do.
Slave1
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I don't think that's a good attitude all. You'll never learn or grow from your experience if all you hear is the positive. So long as criticism is done in an effort to help, you should be willing to accept the negative with the positive.
If the intent of posting pics of work is merely for the sake of ego-stroking and not for improving your skills, have at it, but you'd better put a disclaimer that you don't want any suggestions for improvement.
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