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    Nov 29, 2009, 6:27 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #426

    lint said: View Post
    Incredible work guys. would love to replace the lens on my "grapplebats" HAL9000 with a better looking one.
    Ditto. Mine got damaged in a move and I've been needing to do some work on it anyway. This would be a good opportunity.
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    Nov 29, 2009, 6:32 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #427

    I don't have the real story on what's going on there. Maybe the lens coatings naturally produce a color effect, or maybe the lens was taken apart and modified. Unfortunately I dont have the correct Nikkor lens handy to shine a light through to see what happens.

    For our purposes, perhaps we could have something like nested translucent red and yellow plastic pieces, which we could backlight with a superbright white LED to get the correct effect. Or paint the inside of a hollow "lens" black and red, so that a yellow LED will illuminate it properly.

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    Nov 29, 2009, 6:43 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #428

    phase pistol said: View Post
    I don't have the real story on what's going on there. Maybe the lens coatings naturally produce a color effect, or maybe the lens was taken apart and modified. Unfortunately I dont have the correct Nikkor lens handy to shine a light through to see what happens.

    For our purposes, perhaps we could have something like nested translucent red and yellow plastic pieces, which we could backlight with a superbright white LED to get the correct effect. Or paint the inside of a hollow "lens" black and red, so that a yellow LED will illuminate it properly.

    k
    All of the lenses where Nikkor? I thought that someone came up with a screen cap that contained a lens with the Kenko Fish-Eye 0.16x Lens No. 48423 text.

    Man, my memory is not what it used to be.
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    Nov 29, 2009, 6:53 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #429

    As I recall my research showed that the Kenko is too small, and that all the HAL panels are the same size (although some elements such as the surrounding viewscreens, change size in various sets)





    Tripoli on the board here wrote an analysis in 2004 to the effect that he thought the HAL panels varied in size and that different lenses were used, perhaps you're remembering that.

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    Nov 29, 2009, 7:06 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #430

    Hmmm......having different lens elements different colors is easy to do with plastic lenses. Dyeing them to any given color is not only easy, but they can be done with a varying level of tint....say from none in the center to a deep color on the edges.

    Perhaps more food for thought?

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    Nov 29, 2009, 7:57 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #431

    Regarding the 'real' Nikkor lens - From what I've seen of one, there is no way to dismantle the thing without wrecking it. Likely, they got one (which was new at the time) and stuck it in the hole on the set. The things are also massive when compared to a regular 35mm lens - so they probably had to have a sturdy mount inside the panel. And if you stick a light behind there - you do get the intended result. Some of the color banding you are see is the result of how it reads on film (I've been warned that it won't look quite the same in person and in room lighting.......).

    The real Nikkor 8mm lens was made back in the 60's. There are other Nikkor/Nikon models that are close. The good ones only differ with parts that you cannot see on Hal. There are also fisheye lenses that aren't 8mm. It might change the appearance somewhat - but it would be a real lens and you would notice that improvement immediately.

    Karl - let me ask you this - based on your research, what do you estimate the diameter of the Hal lens to be (the inside diameter of that silver ring)? The one time I had one of these things in my hands, not only was I afraid of scratching the darn thing, I didn't have a set of calipers with me. My inclination is to figure out the size of the lens needed and then look for a common substitute (like a fisheye adaptor) that can approximate the size/look. It's either that or sell a kidney to get a real one (go look them up on e-bay).

    Gene
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    Nov 30, 2009, 12:40 AM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #432

    Okay Jeff & Karl,
    pm me all the specs for the decal part and I'll see what I can do.
    If we are gonna do this accurate, I'll need you to fill me in on fonts, decal
    material.. Etc

    Arnold
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    Nov 30, 2009, 1:18 AM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #433

    I'll have to see if I can dig up some research on the HAL label. I think it's a flavor of Univers. It's definitely some sort of gothic sans serif.

    Edit: actually I don't know the proper diameter to fit the actual lens. My drawing posted above assumes a replica lens.
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    Nov 30, 2009, 3:12 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #434

    I've got some logo images, including an AutoCAD drawing of it that I created, on my home computer. I'll get it to you when I get home later today. (the images I'll post back here)

    The decal material will be an interesting discussion. The principle question being thickness and whether or not the individual logo decals can be done without any clear film surrounding it. Though I guess since this is a simple rectangle, we could always cut it away.

    Also, would you need a final version graphic for printing or will someone be re-creating the logo itself?

    -tnx,

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    Nov 30, 2009, 3:21 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #435

    I had drawn the logo back in the day, I expect to be able to re-construct it in vector art once I identify the typeface. I remember that I had to modify it slightly.

    As far as "decal" is concerned, I kind of imagined that this would best be done as a metal foil adhesive label. Brushed aluminum or something for a matte finish. I guess it depends on whether the outline type and the border line are "exposed metal" or if they are actually white.

    If we want something actually printed in blue-white-black, I guess a vinyl sticker might be the way to go. But a model-kit-style waterslide decal never really entered into the thinking as I recall.

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    Nov 30, 2009, 3:26 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #436

    I was principally thinking of a waterslide decal only because the original looks like it was applied by an ink stamping method. The images of the one in the U.K....with the damage done to the logo also seems to support this.

    ...thoughts?

    -Jeff
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    Nov 30, 2009, 3:30 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #437

    Anyone here have access to an ALPS printer? They can print all colors...including white.

    Given a clean logo image, that would make it quick and fairly inexpensive to do.

    -Jeff
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    Nov 30, 2009, 6:22 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #438

    Here is the image that I used to create a de-skewed logo....



    ..and here is my attempt at fixing the skew.....



    I also did a bit of color 'correction'....hopefully that's good.

    Question: is the border of the logo white or silver? I'm fairly certain that the outline for the letters and numbers are white.

    -Jeff
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    Nov 30, 2009, 7:25 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #439

    With 2001 props you have to beware of replicas and of things that were actually built for "2010 The Year We Make Contact". I am not sure of the provenance of this piece but I think it's supposed to be a screenused HAL panel and brainroom key.

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    Nov 30, 2009, 7:27 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #440

    Okay guys I just read your replys...
    First I'll be doing all the vector art here on my end... or if you already have it thats half the battle, as for a brushed metal look I have just the material in mind. I'll take pics of the material and post it later this week.

    I can the company I work for lets us print personal decals once a year, depending on how busy the schedule is.

    IF!
    I can get it done. I can use the brushed metal material, have it screen-printed & cut to size.

    I'll do a bit of research as well, pantone colors, stroke weight...etc

    I do want one of these..
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    Nov 30, 2009, 7:29 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #441

    Other than the resolution of the photo, that's a very good view.

    The state of the logo is why I have been thinking that it's not a foil stick-on.....but something printed right on the panel....?

    -Jeff
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    Nov 30, 2009, 7:34 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #442

    Some kind of decal might well be correct, or even a paper label I guess. The metal foil I was talking about would probably look better, but wouldn't be screen accurate.

    Alps is good for printing white, but we don't have to print white... the white lettering could be gaps where we're not printing black, if we use white decal film or even white vinyl.
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    Nov 30, 2009, 7:45 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #443

    Excellent point/idea. Using a white background works too!

    Any idea if there is a white or silver border around the logo?

    -Jeff
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    Dec 1, 2009, 2:12 AM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #444

    I think the border is just the blue line... for our purposes there could be a slight black line around that.

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    Dec 1, 2009, 4:19 AM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #445

    Just a couple images I took. I always liked the Logic Memory Center sign. (I don't think that door key looks the same as the one in the film.)






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    Dec 1, 2009, 10:30 PM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #446

    Do you guys have any ideas on measurements H,W...

    thx
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    Dec 2, 2009, 12:14 AM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #447

    The label is sized on my blueprint here, 3.5" x 0.75"



    Interesting about that scene of Bowman opening up the HAL Logic Center hatch... you can see a gap between his glove and wrist of the spacesuit! So in other words he is probably exposed to the vacuum of space at that point (HAL almost certainly has bled off the ship's air, as he does in the novel).

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    Dec 2, 2009, 12:18 AM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #448

    phase pistol said: View Post
    Interesting about that scene of Bowman opening up the HAL Logic Center hatch... you can see a gap between his glove and wrist of the spacesuit!
    Ssshhh! Don't let Stanley know that.......

    Gene
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    Dec 2, 2009, 12:24 AM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #449

    Spike said: View Post
    Just a couple images I took. I always liked the Logic Memory Center sign. (I don't think that door key looks the same as the one in the film.)


    I'd love to have a full-sized silkscreen-on-metal plaque of this. I'd put it right on the lid of my ThinkPad.

    -Tim
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    Dec 2, 2009, 12:46 AM - Re: HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey #450

    Here's my HAL 9000 which I picked up from Jmtwo a few years ago "using Phase Pistol's excellent blueprints as the basis for all the dimensions".

    Here's the build thread:
    http://therpf.com/showthread.php?t=19976

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