Alien: Covenant (Post-release)

How do you know about this? Has it ever been mentioned? What do you mean by "child abuse"?

A form of child abuse would have been a better way to express it, will edit the post. I wasnt suggesting that Peter Weyland was a paedophile.

The opening scene in Covenant is David`s introduction to his father and the tone was set there.
 
A form of child abuse would have been a better way to express it, will edit the post. I wasnt suggesting that Peter Weyland was a paedophile.

The opening scene in Covenant is David`s introduction to his father and the tone was set there.

I see, you mean the fact that David realised straight away that he was a form of slave?
 
I've been thinking about the whole 'going out onto a new world without an environment suit/helmet' problem that carries over from Prometheus into Covenant. This is actually an issue that plagues countless sci-fi movies and shows, but in those other case it doesn't trouble our willing suspension of disbelief precisely because there is no consequence. In the Alien movies it's truly a difficult part of the narrative to overcome, because it draws attention to itself. It's certainly problematic, but how do you get around the issue and still tell the story?

The most egrarious issue of character stupidity in Covenant is undoubtedly Oram's willingness to stick his face over the alien egg, particularly after David has already demonstrated his blatant shadiness with the adult neomorph encounter and the creepy experiments. He tells Oram that the egg has been waiting for it's mother, for heaven's sake!

So why write a moment like that? Does Scott think it's an acceptable (expected?) horror movie convention to exploit? Or because it's darkly humorous? Or is it just dumb, lazy writing with no excuse?

I'll admit, I did chuckle. Was I meant to?

It was a real shame to as the build up to that was great, "I met the Devil once when I was a child David"......

Thought there would have been more comment on this, what did you think about the interaction between David and his children? I`m thinking the second one is a finger from Scott but need to see again. I did laugh out loud at that one, as did others.
 
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^ I think it is pretty much inferred that he did it, because he could. Also, he is a warped machine bent on perfecting the perfect xenomorph. As far as the Engineers go, with Ridley who's to say if you will find out in any of the next two films. They certainly do not look like the Engineers from Prometheus.
 
Well, the Box office has been less than interstellar ,even though it finished top in most countries the performance was significantly lower than "Prometheus" in many of them: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4292&p=.htm

As I've previously mentioned, the "Homeworld" of the Engineers didn't look or feel anything like one. It just seemed like a colony planet.. For a space travelling species that has been around for thousands (if not millions ) of years it was curiously underdeveloped. If anything the only thing I thought was that David had lied to Shaw and picked one of the least populated planets in the star chamber in order to carry out his experiments and attack. Every aspect of that civilization there (including the Engineers) just seemed like a offshoot, rather than being the trunk and roots of the culture.
 
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SPOILER:

Why *did* David carpet bomb the folks at the Citadel?

And were those folks "Engineers," or another race - seemed "smaller."

I'm hoping from this point forward that we'll see these beings on the planet as a different species / alien life altogether...and that David is not creating the Alien but re-creating it. Two sides at war, with one trying to recreate the bio-weapon the other is using...and David carrying it on. I'm hoping we haven't actually seen the true, biomechanical Space Jockey race yet...because what I've seen so far is really missing the biomechanical look and the design differences between the ships in Alien and Prometheus were noticeable - that and the 'fossilized, grown from the chair' creature depicted in Alien was friggin' huge.

I hope we don't end up with the 2,000 colonists egg-morphing into all the eggs we see in the derelict in Alien, that would just be plain stupid.

I get that this film is more gory than Prometheus but I still don't think they are going far enough. We had the cut CGI Fifield scene in Prometheus, and the leaked photo of Shaw that is not in the movie (looks different)... some of Giger's design work for Alien seemed to be influenced by Francis Bacon's art...with the engineers being humanoid and not much bigger than a normal human, to me it just seems like they are chickening out on some of the design and end up cutting it or releasing a more subtle version of the same scene. Was impressed with the Neomorph, though. Probably why I like the Dead Space games, the idea of humans being 'changed' into something else I find more scary.
 
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Contains Spoliers...

I thought it was boring at times i actually yawned twice! I loved the lil critters that ran round attaking in the grass, although they did at times seem to be unbelievably bulletproof. The baby xenos birth was cool for the effects but a bit silly for the posing, i was expecting it to start Disco Dancing at one point.

Didnt Scott say "If they want Dragons ill give them ****ing Dragons" well for me all the blood and killing wasnt anywhere near enough and was over WAY to fast.. a bit like their growth. We saw the xeno spend more time tickling a girls ***** with his tail than killing her, but i wanted to see him do more of the killing and shredding and WHY was this film a pg15? why was it only on in my city in 2D? why did the engineers homeplanet "Davids House" look like a cheap flintstones TV show set? I felt like i was watching a really early naff 60's StarTrek at times.

I left feeling id wasted my time tbh. I should have waited for it to be on TV for "scott free". Also 2D at a cinema is not worth it imo, i only go for the full 3D experience, i watched Prometheous 3D 4 times for the visuals alone, before the seemingly sabotaged STUPID PLOT nearly sent me insane! The Covenant plot felt more like a TV movie too, Shaw was a massive wasted opportunity, her "dummy" looked so fake and lame. Why didnt she just shoot the stupid Xeno in the Cab at the end? And the whole David ending of the Film was SO predictable even from back on the planet.

I felt like id been subjected to a lot a BS to drag the first half out so they can turn the last half into yet another film. Im really bored by the whole crappy franchise now. On the plus side the lil critters in the grass were SO good, until the grown up one went all stupid in front of David lol what were they thinking writing that BS and all that Art, Music, culture crap is soooo pretentious.
 
Contains Spoliers...

I thought it was boring at times i actually yawned twice! I loved the lil critters that ran round attaking in the grass, although they did at times seem to be unbelievably bulletproof. The baby xenos birth was cool for the effects but a bit silly for the posing, i was expecting it to start Disco Dancing at one point.

Didnt Scott say "If they want Dragons ill give them ****ing Dragons" well for me all the blood and killing wasnt anywhere near enough and was over WAY to fast.. a bit like their growth. We saw the xeno spend more time tickling a girls ***** with his tail than killing her, but i wanted to see him do more of the killing and shredding and WHY was this film a pg15? why was it only on in my city in 2D? why did the engineers homeplanet "Davids House" look like a cheap flintstones TV show set? I felt like i was watching a really early naff 60's StarTrek at times.

I left feeling id wasted my time tbh. I should have waited for it to be on TV for "scott free". Also 2D at a cinema is not worth it imo, i only go for the full 3D experience, i watched Prometheous 3D 4 times for the visuals alone, before the seemingly sabotaged STUPID PLOT nearly sent me insane! The Covenant plot felt more like a TV movie too, Shaw was a massive wasted opportunity, her "dummy" looked so fake and lame. Why didnt she just shoot the stupid Xeno in the Cab at the end? And the whole David ending of the Film was SO predictable even from back on the planet.

I felt like id been subjected to a lot a BS to drag the first half out so they can turn the last half into yet another film. Im really bored by the whole crappy franchise now. On the plus side the lil critters in the grass were SO good, until the grown up one went all stupid in front of David lol what were they thinking writing that BS and all that Art, Music, culture crap is soooo pretentious.

Its rated R here on the US.
 
How can David be the creator of the xenomorph when you see the xenomorph and face huggers in the sculpture in the chamber that houses the black goo in Prometheus? Clearly, those creatures existed prior to Prometheus. It makes zero sense that David would be the creator. Just idiotic.
 
Caught it again today in Imax, a thing of beauty to behold for sure and a solid sci fi but as a fan who bought in to the direction
Scott was taking the series with Prometheus, it definitely feels compromised. Didnt need to see another Alien till at least the next
movie but the only problem I had with any of that aspect would be the CGI. The ending is telegraphed but still impactful and am
anxious to see how it plays out.

Some of the negative reviews online by people who get paid for such things are overly brutal and the smell of kerosine hangs around
them from the torch they carried in to the theatre but its still refreshing to have Alien movies that promote speculation and questions
even if they are not the ones we all wanted asked or answered.
 
Regarding Mark Kermode: I'm the same, however i really liked Covenant, so maybe give it a go. He's not always right. He didn't like Watchmen!!
 
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I get David's motivations, he immediately realised he was better than his creator yet was duty bound to obey. Then he got to meet his creators creator who were planning mass murder and then murdered his creator using his head.

So as far as he's concerned he's too good for everyone so he wants to kill all humans and engineers and he want's to try his hand at creating something. Robots being sexually repressed happens in the alien movies, like Ash sticking a rolled up porno into Ripley mouth.



I'd like to see more of how exactly he was perfecting the black goo into the alien.

Goo into man who impregnates a woman turned into a trilobite which impregnates an engineer which became the deacon. that's complicated. I'd have liked more of that.

I also really wanted to see more of the facehugger prototypes.

I imagine the black goo didn't kill every engineer on the planet and he must have had some of them to use as hosts for things, but i feel like the cool poster with aliens and engineers lied to us a little, since the black goo just turned them all to stone, was kinda hoping it'd turn into a monster free-for-all then David would study those.


For the most part the monsters were good, but in places they were very very CGI-y.

All in all i loved the movie and cant wait to see it again.
 
How can David be the creator of the xenomorph when you see the xenomorph and face huggers in the sculpture in the chamber that houses the black goo in Prometheus? Clearly, those creatures existed prior to Prometheus. It makes zero sense that David would be the creator. Just idiotic.

I think the alien on the mural looks more like the Deacon at the end of Prometheus.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1CUK6ya-q-0/T9T4Em-PweI/AAAAAAAAFRU/MmdvcIsQvOo/s1600/Alien+Mural.jpg
David is attempting to perfect the alien, and eventually we end up with what we see in 1979's Alien.
 
So in this unfathomably large universe, the alien was ultimately created by man?

Until the next movie, when it'll have been discovered in a Chinese novelty shop in Chinatown in San Francisco, and purchased as a Christmas present for a space hauler. But it comes with three sacred rules of ownership, that when broken, give rise to the xenomorph, then all hell breaks loose. THEN at the end, the last character standing is about to die and wakes up and realizes it's all been a dream. It's Cain, waking up in the med bay of the Nostromo. It was all a nightmate. Or, was it? Dun-dun-dun!
 
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