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    Dec 29, 2016, 1:55 PM - Testers dullcoate did it again. #1

    I'm sick of it. This is the secound time Testers laq dull ate my paint. I let the Tamiya acrylic paint dry for three days. I wanted to smash the kit against the wall. But I did the rite thing and I walked away. Let me run this by you guys/gals. Should I spray a couple of fine coats of future on fist, then hit it with the dull? I like to seal each stage of painting. Is that too much future? I want to end up with a flat finish. I was told that Modge Podge makes an acrylic clear. Whould that work?

    Thanks..
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    Dec 29, 2016, 2:26 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #2

    I know what you mean. Lacquer solvents are not kind to other types of paints. I have learned the hard way to try to only use same types of paint together. I have succeeded using lacquer over enamel or acrylic paints, by spraying a very light coat of the clear lacquer so that the solvents evaporate before they have a chance to attack the paint underneath. A heavy coat gives the solvents more time to attack the other paints.


    Tamiya makes a clear flat paint that you can use instead. I don't know if it is as "flat" as Testors, but at least it will be compatible with your color coats.

    My rule of thumb is: You can paint enamels and acrylics over lacquer, but not lacquers over enamels and acrylics.
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    Dec 29, 2016, 2:54 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #3

    Maybe I was a little heavy handed. I was reading more on using future and It yellowing over time. I may just stay away from it. I use Model Master and Tamiya acrylics only. Should I start using Tamiya gloss under my oil washes, apply Tamiya acrylic flat to protect my wash, weather and chip and then a final coat of gloss or flat?
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    Dec 29, 2016, 3:00 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #4

    I never have any luck with dullcoats no matter what brand, if it doesn't just flat out make a mess it orange peels.
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    Dec 29, 2016, 4:10 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #5

    Try acrylic sealant for flowers, I use a light over spray ( almost dry) since it is Matte, when done I'll use Dull Coat. Here is some versions on ebay, you can find it alot cheaper, Wally world sells a version as well, Hobby Lobby etc.

    Side note your better than I, I have done the "HULK SMASH" ...... http://www.ebay.com/itm/FolkArt-Clea...3D112239865858
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clear-Acryli...3D291984510732
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    Dec 29, 2016, 4:22 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #6

    Hulk smash.. That's funny..

    Thanks for the ebay info.
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    Dec 29, 2016, 4:34 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #7

    the Tamiya clears gloss and Flat have never given me any issues.

    Jedi Dade
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    Dec 29, 2016, 6:12 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #8

    I tried dullcote from Tamiya and Testor. But if you overcoat it, it will leave an impression of a dusty model.
    The best dullcote I ever use is...

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3507268848...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

    I learned about this from a figure modelling forum. I gave away my other brand of dullcote after using Vallejo on few of my models.
    Its just fantastic!
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    Dec 29, 2016, 10:56 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #9

    Man, talk about a timely thread. I'm almost done with my Bandai Red Jammer (done mostly in Tamiya acrylics, with the gloss coat being PFM, and I was thinking about using up the Testors dullcote can that I have lying around. Glad I read this thread!

    SB
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    Dec 30, 2016, 12:30 AM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #10

    applying laquers over acrylics is not recommended, but you can apply acrylics over laquers or laquer over laquer and acrylic over acrylic to be safe, whenever I use Tamiya paints I use Tamiya dull coat the same for testors, try to stick with same brands.

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    Dec 30, 2016, 7:38 AM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #11

    For me... the issue has ALWAYS been Testors. I stay away from their paints all together. I've never had any issues with Tamiya.
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    Dec 30, 2016, 9:28 AM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #12

    As a retired commercial illustrator with 30 yrs exp. with paint, rattle cans, air brushes, brushes ect,.

    MOST of the time it's "operator error" AND wrong type of paint over paint.

    Enamel should NEVER go over Acrylic. Non Acrylic or enamel (Tamiya) paint should never go over Acrylic.

    Acrylic CAN go over Enamel.

    Dull-coat
    Gloss-coat
    Simi-Gloss coat

    If you use Testors is is ALWAYS a lacquer, which is a type of enamel.
    Light coats to start- Ie a MIST coat at least 3 times BEFORE you lay it on.
    LET it DRY completely between coats - At least 3 hours BEFORE you coat it again.

    Questions to ask yourself BEFORE you paint: What kind of primer are you using? What kind paint for beginning color coats?

    I use mostly Testers for base color coats and Dull-coat / Gloss coats. Testers rattle cans are ENAMELS. They take up to 2 weeks to cure completely in some cases.

    Whats up with the "future wax" clear seal coats? What am I missing on this? Are you talking about floor wax?? I do not get the how or why of this technique at all.???

    Lastly, TEST your paint combination on something other than your model FIRST, use the left over spru or some other parts that are the same kind of plastic.

    Hope this helps.

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    Dec 31, 2016, 11:32 AM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #13

    Retiredadguy, I certainly wouldn't say "never." Not recommended, certainly.. but never? I have put enamel over acrylic many times in the past with no issue. As long as the acrylic is dry and you apply the enamel either VERY carefully by hand or via airbrush you shouldn't (read: 98.9% of the time) have issue.. just comes with experience bending the rules I suppose. Learning exactly what the tolerance is of acrylic and enamels. You can also get interesting effects and new techniques mixing these mediums.. oil and water at its finest.

    As for future, it is just an acrylic sealer, it isn't a wax. Can be sprayed out of an airbrush right from the bottle, goes on nicely, self levels, and cures crystal clear and strong. It's very common on smaller models, but I use it quite a lot as a sealer over faux-metal and chrome pieces. Most sealers cut the shine of chrome down to a dull silver but Future doesn't which is very handy. It works even better than Alclad's Aquagloss.

    Most recently I've gotten into the habit of using it as a barrier coat between the lacquer metal paint and a 2pack (urethane) clear coat with great success.


    As for your final point, I agree. Test, test, test! I always have Speedshapes on hand to good around with new paints, techniques, and general tomfoolery.
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    Dec 31, 2016, 10:39 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #14

    I gotta say, I've been building kits and painting figures for 45 years ( damn I'm gettin' old!!) I've never had as good a result on my models as when I started using Apple Barrel, Delta Ceramcoat and Folk -Art acrylics....I sponge, brush or spray them on, I never use a primer, and when done, I seal them with multiple coats of Future, and once decals are dry, I future again, and flatten the paint by airbrushing on a coat of Microscale clear flat. This stuff is all inexpensive and a lot less toxic than enamels, and lacquers, give them a try! These paints stick to just about everything, even resin, without primer! And the finish is very strong to boot. Just let each application of paint dry overnight and you shouldn't have any trouble
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    Jan 1, 2017, 12:26 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #15

    I have found the flat clear finish from Dork Tower lays down with no texture, sheen or color loss. It smells like vanilla while drying.
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    Jan 3, 2017, 12:38 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #16

    This seems like another "ask 100 people get 100 different answers" questions again. Trial and error of what works best for you might be the not helpful answer. Or, don't mix brands. I only use Testors enamels and never have trouble with their dullcoat. I do use acrylics for my washes and Krylon for basic colors like white and black, still no issues. I have had krylon clear destroy decals, so I don't use that anymore.
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    Jan 3, 2017, 12:52 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #17

    Never trust Testors. Go with Tamiya, Mr. Color, Vallejo, or Badger. Don't trust other paints.
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    Jan 3, 2017, 1:21 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #18

    I've been using Testors lacquer flat and gloss for decades. I thin down the clear flat with more lacquer thinner, and use a light coat with 35+ PSI through my airbrush. I will also use the gloss lacquer over paint decals on brass HO scale locomotives using the same method. The higher pressure helps to get rid of most of the thinner so it won't damage the other paints.
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    Jan 8, 2017, 12:33 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #19

    I use Testors Acryl acrylic clear to seal my models. I use Testors Acryl Flat clear with a couple of drops of Semi-gloss clear mixed in to eliminate the chalkiness. This is an acrylic clear so it's safe over decals and most paint types and doesn't yellow over time. It should be sprayed in light mist coats to cure correctly. I also use Future before applying decals and will seal the decals with more Future. I've never had Future yellow.
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    Jan 11, 2017, 3:26 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #20

    I'm somewhat of a novice myself and have built a few of the Bandai models and had pretty good success using Mig Productions oil paints for weathering. I have done very little painting so far and have mostly just applied the waterslides straight to the unpainted plastic, given it a coat of Testers Glosscote and then weathered via dry brushing various Mig oils or sometimes "gunk" washing (heavy dose of straight oil paint then wiping most of it all off) with the oils and I've achieved some pretty good results. There have been a few times where I'd really prefer to thin down the oil paint with Weber odorless turpenoid and follow the approach FichtenFoo does with his Millenium Falcon demonstrations on YouTube. Every time I've tried though, the oil paint thinned with even the slightest bit of Weber odorless turpenoid just destroys the gloss coat, lifting it right up. Does Tamiya gloss or matte finish work better with paints thinned with odorless turpenoid? Any other gloss that might work better? I don't use an air brush so Future isn't an option for me right now.

    Note: I've had a good experience so far sealing my oil paint weathering with Testers Dullcote at the end of the process.
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    Jan 11, 2017, 4:57 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #21

    DanielB said: View Post
    Never trust Testors. Go with Tamiya, Mr. Color, Vallejo, or Badger. Don't trust other paints.
    I use Testors Model Master acrylics exclusively and I always get excellent results.
    You can spray them right out of the jar with no thinning and you can clean your airbrush with plain old water.
    You can thin them with water, too, for washes and the like.

    They also make an acrylic matte finish, but I took some advise from a model magazine and now I always let a new jar sit until it separates, then siphon off the carrier and replace it with lighter fluid. This eliminates the milky effect the clear coat has when sprayed straight from the jar. The lighter fluid evaporates almost instantly, so it won't harm your paint.
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    Jan 11, 2017, 10:29 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #22

    I use future over top of both Vallejo and Tamiya with no issues. For a flat finish I mix Future with Tamiya Flat Base (X-21). This way i can alter the level of "flat" desired depending on how much of the flat base i use. I've had no issues with this combo so far and spray it with no dilution @20psi.
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    Jan 14, 2017, 7:14 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #23

    I've been using this stuff - matte acrylic non yellowing
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    thin 50/50 with water then add a couple of drops of windex (or whatever blue glass cleaner is native to your country) to break the surface tension. If you spray it onto a gloss surface without the windex it'll form droplets on the surface. Don't thin with Tamiya acrylic thinner or it'll clog your airbrush. Spray a few thin coats - first coat may look splotchy when dry. It may lighten dark colours so a satin finish (which is also avalable) may be more appropriate.

    As with all tips from the internet - test first.
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    Jan 15, 2017, 5:59 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #24

    I find Valspar matte does fine. It replaces the Krylon matte that was reformulated to be useless about 11 years ago.
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    Jan 16, 2017, 2:43 PM - Re: Testers dullcoate did it again. #25

    I just picked up a can of Modge Pog matte acrylic. Hit it over a kit painted in acrylic. So I layed down my paint, hit it with future, layed down a oil base wash, sealed it with future and them the Modge Pod acry lic. It looks great with no issues yet.

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