Any one good with circuits and electronics?

propmaster2000 · Nov 10, 2016

Hey Drac,

Just checking in to see the progress.
You mention ways to trigger the toaster effect either by momentary push button switch, touch activation on the metal casing, movement or
even clapping your hand together (clap on/clap off).

Maybe a single channel key fob remote control? That way the effect doesn't activate prematurely by motion when you enter the room.
You can control it covertly with the key fob in your pocket when others are near....

Looking forward to the finished prop.
Make a video :^)

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Drac · Nov 10, 2016

propmaster2000 said:
Hey Drac,

Just checking in to see the progress.
You mention ways to trigger the toaster effect either by momentary push button switch, touch activation on the metal casing, movement or even clapping your hand together (clap on/clap off).
Maybe a single channel key fob remote control? That way the effect doesn't activate prematurely when you enter the room.
You can control it covertly when others are around....

Looking forward to the finished prop.
Make a video :^)

.

Not much in the progress unfortunatly I'm still looking for a chroming company but they are saying stainless may not be able to be chromed only mirror polished. As for the sensor it will be hidden in the top where one of the slices are, so would have to wave hand over the top to activate so setting it off by accident shouldn't be an issue hopefully.

I will probably post up a finished thread in props with a video when I'm done, only a show off thread rather than a progress build. Found out that apparently it's a decent toaster as there is one in a museum in Germany lol and it toasts in 45 seconds, no wonder I struggled to get the correct model lol

hewito · Nov 10, 2016

Drac said:
Not much in the progress unfortunatly I'm still looking for a chroming company but they are saying stainless may not be able to be chromed only mirror polished. As for the sensor it will be hidden in the top where one of the slices are, so would have to wave hand over the top to activate so setting it off by accident shouldn't be an issue hopefully.

I will probably post up a finished thread in props with a video when I'm done, only a show off thread rather than a progress build. Found out that apparently it's a decent toaster as there is one in a museum in Germany lol and it toasts in 45 seconds, no wonder I struggled to get the correct model lol

OK my dude,I got something,if thats what you need you are looking to spend around $35 to $40 dollars for what I used(I could send you all the diagrams).I am just trying to get the motion sensor delay timing better since it takes about 12-18 seconds between sounds(once activates and sound is over,motion needs those seconc to activate the board again),tell me if that works for you..here is the link..https://youtu.be/YzRqTQCMe9I

Drac · Nov 10, 2016

hewito said:
OK my dude,I got something,if thats what you need you are looking to spend around $35 to $40 dollars for what I used(I could send you all the diagrams).I am just trying to get the motion sensor delay timing better since it takes about 12-18 seconds between sounds(once activates and sound is over,motion needs those seconc to activate the board again),tell me if that works for you..here is the link..https://youtu.be/YzRqTQCMe9I

Excellent, that looks epic. I see what you mean about the delay but even so that's great. I appreciate the effort you've put into this. Nice beetle too ;-) the price seems very reasonable as well. Hopefully it won't be beyond my skill level lol

propmaster2000 · Nov 11, 2016

It seems that you are getting closer to your goal.
Now, after you get all the parts you need, you have to implement them in to the toaster body.

I guess if you put the motion sensor in the toaster slot on top, that will keep the sound from playing too often.
I was thinking that if you used a key fob wireless remote, you could play it anytime from anywhere unknown to others.

It will be interesting to see what sounds you have planned for it.
What kind of battery did you settle on?

So your not going to use the EL panel you purchased a while back?
I think LED is a better choice anyway, as I showed earlier in my LED tap light.
It is much brighter and does not require a driver/inverter as the EL does.
Good luck, your almost there :^)

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Miker · Nov 11, 2016

hewito said:
OK my dude,I got something,if thats what you need you are looking to spend around $35 to $40 dollars for what I used(I could send you all the diagrams).I am just trying to get the motion sensor delay timing better since it takes about 12-18 seconds between sounds(once activates and sound is over,motion needs those seconc to activate the board again),tell me if that works for you..here is the link..https://youtu.be/YzRqTQCMe9I

Nice work! Which board are you using? I'd be interested to know what components you went with. I was reading up on audio playback from adafruit's stuff for a different project and their transport commands include interrupts, which is pretty nice..in case it helps. -mike

hewito · Nov 11, 2016

Miker said:
Nice work! Which board are you using? I'd be interested to know what components you went with. I was reading up on audio playback from adafruit's stuff for a different project and their transport commands include interrupts, which is pretty nice..in case it helps. -mike

Drac said:
Excellent, that looks epic. I see what you mean about the delay but even so that's great. I appreciate the effort you've put into this. Nice beetle too ;-) the price seems very reasonable as well. Hopefully it won't be beyond my skill level lol

Miker said:
Nice work! Which board are you using? I'd be interested to know what components you went with. I was reading up on audio playback from adafruit's stuff for a different project and their transport commands include interrupts, which is pretty nice..in case it helps. -mike

Ok,here I am attaching what I used..I made it somehow easy as Drac and myself are limited in the electronics department.

https://www.adafruit.com/products/2342
https://www.adafruit.com/products/1669
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Min...32691820649.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.LJWtMq ( You might try another one with the sensitivity and timer adjust pots)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/20p...32566293376.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.uhwgdt
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3W-.../2055144285.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.cV4zoe
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-x...32590708258.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.cV4zoe
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TA3FK8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

One switch,one resistor and one transistor(the motions seemed to be backwards,when signal was off it would turn on the board,the small circuit made it right)
I couldnt switch the timer on the senor,I think it can only be done with arduino or by removing certain resistors.

So now,I used the adafruit since I had it,but there are different things that might work and might be cheaper..You could use for example a greeting card module,it comes already with switch and speaker built in and even a battery kinda like this one https://www.aliexpress.com/item/USB...32715990545.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.cV4zoe . It has a memory built in,the only problem is that it doesnt allow different sounds,adafruit has like 10 channels and each can have up to 10 different sounds...Drac,the transistor I used is 2n3904 and the resistor a 3.3k(orange,orange,red and gold bands)..Let me know what else you guys need!

Drac · Nov 11, 2016

propmaster2000 said:
It seems that you are getting closer to your goal.
Now, after you get all the parts you need, you have to implement them in to the toaster body.

I guess if you put the motion sensor in the toaster slot on top, that will keep the sound from playing too often.
I was thinking that if you used a key fob wireless remote, you could play it anytime from anywhere unknown to others.

It will be interesting to see what sounds you have planned for it.
What kind of battery did you settle on?

So your not going to use the EL panel you purchased a while back?
I think LED is a better choice anyway, as I showed earlier in my LED tap light.
It is much brighter and does not require a driver/inverter as the EL does.
Good luck, your almost there :^)

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I have a few ideas for setting the Electronics inside, but it depends on what was used as to what would work best. I like the idea of a key fob to activate but I don't know how much more difficult it would make the process. Doubt I'll use the EL panel maybe I'll use it on something else in future.

hewito said:
Ok,here I am attaching what I used..I made it somehow easy as Drac and myself are limited in the electronics department.

https://www.adafruit.com/products/2342
https://www.adafruit.com/products/1669
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Min...32691820649.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.LJWtMq ( You might try another one with the sensitivity and timer adjust pots)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/20p...32566293376.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.uhwgdt
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3W-.../2055144285.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.cV4zoe
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-x...32590708258.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.cV4zoe
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TA3FK8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

One switch,one resistor and one transistor(the motions seemed to be backwards,when signal was off it would turn on the board,the small circuit made it right)
I couldnt switch the timer on the senor,I think it can only be done with arduino or by removing certain resistors.

So now,I used the adafruit since I had it,but there are different things that might work and might be cheaper..You could use for example a greeting card module,it comes already with switch and speaker built in and even a battery kinda like this one https://www.aliexpress.com/item/USB...32715990545.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.0.cV4zoe . It has a memory built in,the only problem is that it doesnt allow different sounds,adafruit has like 10 channels and each can have up to 10 different sounds...Drac,the transistor I used is 2n3904 and the resistor a 3.3k(orange,orange,red and gold bands)..Let me know what else you guys need!

Many thanks for the help on this I'll take a look at all the links a bit later to see what I can find over here, should be interesting lol. Getting there

do you have a diagram or something to show how you laid it all out? Not sure if I could figure it out lol cheers also that's not hard wired to the sound pick up I take it? It's a sound to light module isn't it?

hewito · Nov 11, 2016

Drac said:
I have a few ideas for setting the Electronics inside, but it depends on what was used as to what would work best. I like the idea of a key fob to activate but I don't know how much more difficult it would make the process. Doubt I'll use the EL panel maybe I'll use it on something else in future.

Many thanks for the help on this I'll take a look at all the links a bit later to see what I can find over here, should be interesting lol. Getting there do you have a diagram or something to show how you laid it all out? Not sure if I could figure it out lol cheers also that's not hard wired to the sound pick up I take it? It's a sound to light module isn't it?

Here I am attaching two pictures,one with the wired sensor and the other has all the components together(sans the sound to light) I will send you tomorrow the diagrams(dont expect a professional drawing but more of a kids drawing,I dont know how to do those professional ones)I put a ruler for you to get an idea on size..Let me onow

Drac · Nov 11, 2016

hewito said:
Here I am attaching two pictures,one with the wired sensor and the other has all the components together(sans the sound to light) I will send you tomorrow the diagrams(dont expect a professional drawing but more of a kids drawing,I dont know how to do those professional ones)I put a ruler for you to get an idea on size..Let me onow

Cheers,

to be honest a kids style drawing is what I was hoping for, I don't have a clue with proper diagrams anyway haha

Drac · Nov 12, 2016

I assume the Velleman light to sound unit is just placed near the speaker to pick up the sound? Did you replace the LEDs on that board with the LEDs you listed in the link?

propmaster2000 · Nov 12, 2016

Good morning Drac,

I have the Velleman sound to light board and it works very well.

You may need to know that it comes as a kit and you must do the soldering yourself to the board (at least in my case).
You may be able to get it completely assembled, but not sure if Amazon is selling it assembled or as a kit for that price.
Just a word of warning :^)

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Drac · Nov 12, 2016

propmaster2000 said:
Good morning Drac,

I have the Velleman sound to light board and it works very well.

You may need to know that it comes as a kit and you must do the soldering yourself to the board (at least in my case).
You may be able to get it completely assembled, but not sure if Amazon is selling it assembled or as a kit for that price.
Just a word of warning :^)

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Hi, yeah I've seen them around before and noticed they are in kit form. This whole project is still confusing the hell out of me, and more stressful than I thought t would be. Trying to track down these items here in U.K. At a decent price is awkward too. I'm holding off buying anything just yet incase it's improved upon in any way, I'm liking what hewito has come up with for this, I'm just unsure if I can get it together :-/ lol

Drac · Nov 12, 2016

I have tracked down the parts as cheap as I can seem to get them, £50 or $63 ish. Bit more than I hoped for, I could get them a bit cheaper by getting them from China or Hong Kong of course. I've been trying to figure a way of hard wiring the sound to the light to avoid any background noise being picked up but if I was to turn the sensitivity on the mic down and have it placed right next to the speaker it shouldn't pick up much background noise....well that's the idea lol I've also found an adjustable pir on flea bay that might work with the delay.

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Adjust...%3A587677b01580a2a2150d4f3efffc5e34%7Ciid%3A1

hewito · Nov 12, 2016

Drac said:
I have tracked down the parts as cheap as I can seem to get them, £50 or $63 ish. Bit more than I hoped for, I could get them a bit cheaper by getting them from China or Hong Kong of course. I've been trying to figure a way of hard wiring the sound to the light to avoid any background noise being picked up but if I was to turn the sensitivity on the mic down and have it placed right next to the speaker it shouldn't pick up much background noise....well that's the idea lol I've also found an adjustable pir on flea bay that might work with the delay.

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Adjust...%3A587677b01580a2a2150d4f3efffc5e34%7Ciid%3A1

Dont get frustrated,is not too bad..for the sound to light kit you need the soldering but is a level 2(almost novice)very easy to do..For the kit you must keep the 4 leds to work,so I just attached one of my leds from one of them,Ill show you how...If you want,I can send you the motion sensor with the small circuit(only problem I paid $8.99 for my sensor since I got it from amazon prime),plus whatever shipping...The sound to light,I turned the sensitivity almost to 0 and it worked great..Really dont get desperate,you will get it to work..

Drac · Nov 12, 2016

hewito said:
Dont get frustrated,is not too bad..for the sound to light kit you need the soldering but is a level 2(almost novice)very easy to do..For the kit you must keep the 4 leds to work,so I just attached one of my leds from one of them,Ill show you how...If you want,I can send you the motion sensor with the small circuit(only problem I paid $8.99 for my sensor since I got it from amazon prime),plus whatever shipping...The sound to light,I turned the sensitivity almost to 0 and it worked great..Really dont get desperate,you will get it to work..

Cheers, I know I shouldn't get stressed out lol I could manage the sound to light board shouldn't be to difficult, but if you could show me how you worked the LED side that would be great. Thanks for the offer to send the sensor but to be fair once postage etc added probably just as easy to source and make my own lol ;-)

hewito · Nov 12, 2016

Drac said:
Cheers, I know I shouldn't get stressed out lol I could manage the sound to light board shouldn't be to difficult, but if you could show me how you worked the LED side that would be great. Thanks for the offer to send the sensor but to be fair once postage etc added probably just as easy to source and make my own lol ;-)

Of course..Here are the three pictures you will need for motion sensor and for the sound to light..For the transistor ..E(Emitter)is ground , B(Base) is signal and C(Collector) is for Positive and for soundboard signal switch(for mine I used channel one,once you get it it will make sense)..Everything shares a 4.5 volt power but the sound to light has a 9V,get yourself a SPDT mini toggle switch(one ground and one 9v and the other the 4.5v)..Let me know and I hate to say this but it is a crazy world we live in,so I am putting a small disclaimer ;Use and build at your own risk!!!!!

Drac · Nov 12, 2016

No problem, thanks very much I'll see what I can do :^) what does the toggle switch do?

hewito · Nov 12, 2016

Drac said:
No problem, thanks very much I'll see what I can do :^) what does the toggle switch do?

It will turn on all your components at once(no battery waste)

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Drac said:
No problem, thanks very much I'll see what I can do :^) what does the toggle switch do?

For the soundboard wiring to the amp and the amp to the speaker is quite easy,I can send you the picture too.

Drac · Nov 12, 2016

hewito said:
It will turn on all your components at once(no battery waste)

Lol makes sense, so some running on 4.5v and the one on 9v is that compensated for with the circuit? Does it pose an issue? Sorry like I said in a dunce with Electronics lol

Any one good with circuits and electronics?

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