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    Jan 22, 2016, 11:33 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3126

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    Re. TIE ships in TFA:

    I think the real motivation why we see kind of a revival of the standard TIE ship (aka "fighter") in the new movie is not because of their proven design, lesser production costs or any other pseudo in-universe reason, but because some dimwit at LFL thought it is a brilliant idea to plant it on its wings when not in flight.

    I do not know when or where it was introduced, but I was shocked when I saw the commercials for SW Rebels and all those Imperial fighters standing on their fragile cooling plates (sigh)! Those wings are no undercarriage for heaven's sake!

    The TIE ships are not supposed to land "conventionally" (like the Rebel ships are capable of), but are dependent on Imperial infrastructure (like star destroyers or bases with their respective suspension systems) - that is why we see them either flying or hanging under the hangar bay roofs in the Original Trilogy.

    And therefore the wings of the TIE Interceptor can be slanted, because they are damn radiators, and not the chassis!

    By the way, the proportions (and details) of the "new" TIEs seen in TFA are not the same as of the original TIE fighters... the new wings for example are not as high in relation to the span of the ship compared to the vintage TIE ships, not even talking about all the other stuff visible (thrusters etc.). They have more in common with the toys than with what we saw in the first three movies.

    As Dan mentioned - they are easily recognizable as bad-guy fighters to the general viewer... job done. Simple as that!
    There's nothing explicitly stated in any of the movies that the "wings" on the TIEs are too weak and delicate for the TIE to land on. I think that the main reason for the gantries and suspension systems is that it makes it easier for the pilots to get into their fighters given how high off the ground they sit. By boarding them from a gantry means that they don't need to bother with a built in ladder or having a whole bunch of portable ladders that you have to wheel into place.

    In Rebels it works because there's only a small number of TIEs stationed on Lothal and it's not a major outpost so it's probably not worth it for them to build a more complicated system for housing the TIEs. As for TFA, I don't remember if all of them were on the ground or not, but I remember that at least some were hanging off of the wall in the hangar.
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    Jan 22, 2016, 11:46 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3127

    Yeah I definitely think they are newly built fighters. There are numerous smaller differences and I think the ion engines on the spec ops version are noticeably different. It's already said the TIE/fo has shields and the spec ops version has shields and hyperdrive, so they are improved over what we had before. Poe was able was able to pack quite a punch against the Finalizer's turbolasers so I wouldn't be surprised if they have heavier firepower too. I'm beginning to believe that the old thinking that the interceptor was a replacement of the standard fighter is erroneous. I think it's simply suited for a different mission profile.

    And regarding the Sith, I never thought the Sith represented the darkside exclusively. All Sith are darksiders but not all darksiders are Sith. I always assumed the Sith were just one particular school of thought and for all we know, there could've been many other lesser known disciplines that embraced the darker side of the Force.
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    Jan 22, 2016, 1:38 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3128

    Falk said: View Post
    Re. TIE ships in TFA:

    I think the real motivation why we see kind of a revival of the standard TIE ship (aka "fighter") in the new movie is not because of their proven design, lesser production costs or any other pseudo in-universe reason, but because some dimwit at LFL thought it is a brilliant idea to plant it on its wings when not in flight.

    I do not know when or where it was introduced, but I was shocked when I saw the commercials for SW Rebels and all those Imperial fighters standing on their fragile cooling plates (sigh)! Those wings are no undercarriage for heaven's sake!

    The TIE ships are not supposed to land "conventionally" (like the Rebel ships are capable of), but are dependent on Imperial infrastructure (like star destroyers or bases with their respective suspension systems) - that is why we see them either flying or hanging under the hangar bay roofs in the Original Trilogy.

    And therefore the wings of the TIE Interceptor can be slanted, because they are damn radiators, and not the chassis!

    By the way, the proportions (and details) of the "new" TIEs seen in TFA are not the same as of the original TIE fighters... the new wings for example are not as high in relation to the span of the ship compared to the vintage TIE ships, not even talking about all the other stuff visible (thrusters etc.). They have more in common with the toys than with what we saw in the first three movies.

    As Dan mentioned - they are easily recognizable as bad-guy fighters to the general viewer... job done. Simple as that!
    Bingo.


    I HATE seeing them land on their wings

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    Jan 22, 2016, 2:04 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3129

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    Yeah I definitely think they are newly built fighters. There are numerous smaller differences and I think the ion engines on the spec ops version are noticeably different. It's already said the TIE/fo has shields and the spec ops version has shields and hyperdrive, so they are improved over what we had before. Poe was able was able to pack quite a punch against the Finalizer's turbolasers so I wouldn't be surprised if they have heavier firepower too. I'm beginning to believe that the old thinking that the interceptor was a replacement of the standard fighter is erroneous. I think it's simply suited for a different mission profile.

    And regarding the Sith, I never thought the Sith represented the darkside exclusively. All Sith are darksiders but not all darksiders are Sith. I always assumed the Sith were just one particular school of thought and for all we know, there could've been many other lesser known disciplines that embraced the darker side of the Force.

    some are already shown in the clone wars cartoon like the nightsisters .I believe that is what they are called.
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    Jan 22, 2016, 2:09 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3130

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    some are already shown in the clone wars cartoon like the nightsisters .I believe that is what they are called.
    And then we had Barriss offey. A fallen jedi who believed that the jedi were being used as tools for the dark side.

    Considering that she was right, we're does she fall in the force spectrum?

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    Jan 22, 2016, 2:10 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3131

    Just because we never saw a TIE fighter land, doesn't mean they couldn't.

    I seem to remember a long time ago, shortly after the marvel adaptation of the film finished, a story where Luke had to pilot a captured TIE fighter to save the base at Yavin, and that was sat on the ground.
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    Jan 22, 2016, 2:14 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3132

    I'm not sure what the problem is with TIEs landing as they do. As far as I know, there's nothing to indicate any reason why they couldn't. I think the only logistical hurdle is how the pilot embarks/disembarks, with the cockpit so high off the ground. I don't really recall how Rebels handles it.
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    Jan 22, 2016, 2:19 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3133

    Wolfsburg said: View Post
    I'm not sure what the problem is with TIEs landing as they do. As far as I know, there's nothing to indicate any reason why they couldn't. I think the only logistical hurdle is how the pilot embarks/disembarks, with the cockpit so high off the ground. I don't really recall how Rebels handles it.
    The problem is that people make up their own canon and decide what is and is not capable in Star Wars without ever seeing any evidence of it.
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    Jan 22, 2016, 2:20 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3134

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    And then we had Barriss offey. A fallen jedi who believed that the jedi were being used as tools for the dark side.

    Considering that she was right, we're does she fall in the force spectrum?

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    she used to be a Jedi so she cant be bad. she is not " capable " of it . so sayith Mace Windu LOL.
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    Jan 22, 2016, 2:43 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3135

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    The problem is that people make up their own canon and decide what is and is not capable in Star Wars without ever seeing any evidence of it.
    or the opposite LOL
    which reminds me, are what were referred to as sentinel Jedi canon ?
    basically the same question I asked before because they are talked about in the Jedi hand book thingy that seems tied to the Clone wars cartoon as it has Ahsoka's notes in it .
    I always liked the idea of them .
    Yellow sabers for one.
    and lived in the outer rim areas and the like .
    living pretty much like Yoda and Obi Wan did after the fall of the Jedi, blending in with locals and living regular folk.
    it could be a cool origin for Rey as well . even so I would love to see some old Jedi show up in the next movie one who was way out and got the call to return to the temple in ROTS and then got the new message Obi Wan replaced it with so went into hiding . I mean that was why he replaced the message right ?

    I would love to see some 95 year old Jedi pop out of the wood work who has been looking for Rey because he is her grandpa or something.
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    Jan 22, 2016, 4:15 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3136

    Wolfsburg said: View Post
    I'm not sure what the problem is with TIEs landing as they do. As far as I know, there's nothing to indicate any reason why they couldn't. I think the only logistical hurdle is how the pilot embarks/disembarks, with the cockpit so high off the ground. I don't really recall how Rebels handles it.
    I think that they cheat it in Rebels and simply never show anybody getting in or out of them. What I imagine they do is that they have a bunch of those rolling stairways type things that airports used to use all the time and you see the President use for Air Force One. Either that or TIE pilots are all trained in doing Force jumps and simply leap into the cockpits Jedi/anime style.
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    Jan 22, 2016, 5:57 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3137

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    I think that they cheat it in Rebels and simply never show anybody getting in or out of them. What I imagine they do is that they have a bunch of those rolling stairways type things that airports used to use all the time and you see the President use for Air Force One. Either that or TIE pilots are all trained in doing Force jumps and simply leap into the cockpits Jedi/anime style.
    Go to Europe - specifically Frankfort. They still use those staircases pretty much primarily. Only things i saw not using them were A300-800's and 747's.
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    Jan 23, 2016, 12:52 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3138

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    I'm not even sure if Snoke has any Force power, that would be really interesting!
    I'm hoping they'll make Snoke seem to be more evil than Palpatine, then at the end of Episode IX we find out he's actually a benevolent overlord who wants peace and prosperity throughout the universe.

    Okay, not really, but nobody would see that coming.
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    Jan 24, 2016, 12:37 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3139

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    Jan 24, 2016, 1:54 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3140

    The Visual Dictionary explicitly states Kylo is not a Sith.

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    Jan 24, 2016, 3:07 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3141

    If that's the case then they are definitely going to have to differentiate them A LOT more than they have, otherwise it's just lame to have them be the same exact thing, only they had to call them something different because the emperor copyrighted the name and Snokes only real fear is lawsuits.

    It's poking holes in a plot where no hole previously existed... Up till now good guy force users were called Jedi, bad guy force users were called Sith... If they now make Sith just the clubhouse name of specific bad guy force users, it weakens things like Luke showing up in Rotj dressed like a Sith (balance), not to mention...

    How did anyone know they were Sith in the prequels?

    No one ever asked Maul if he was Sith...He was a bad guy force user and everyone accepted that bad guy force user equals Sith.


    Now I've said before and still say: if they want to just scrap prequels altogether that's just fine by me. For now, a couple of the movies have everyone assuming that being a bad guy force user and being Sith are the same thing and ending up being completely right about it.
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    Jan 24, 2016, 7:45 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3142

    Kevin Gossett said: View Post
    The Visual Dictionary explicitly states Kylo is not a Sith.

    http://i.imgur.com/MZ7y0jD.jpg

    I told you @annanake
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    Jan 24, 2016, 10:51 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3143

    cboath said: View Post
    Go to Europe - specifically Frankfort. They still use those staircases pretty much primarily. Only things i saw not using them were A300-800's and 747's.
    Whenever I exit a plane on those rolling stairs, I always want to shout "The Beatles!!" and be met by cheering fans.

    Zombie_61 said: View Post
    I'm hoping they'll make Snoke seem to be more evil than Palpatine, then at the end of Episode IX we find out he's actually a benevolent overlord who wants peace and prosperity throughout the universe.

    Okay, not really, but nobody would see that coming.
    So....Snoke = Leto II?

    AJTaliesen said: View Post
    If that's the case then they are definitely going to have to differentiate them A LOT more than they have, otherwise it's just lame to have them be the same exact thing, only they had to call them something different because the emperor copyrighted the name and Snokes only real fear is lawsuits.

    It's poking holes in a plot where no hole previously existed... Up till now good guy force users were called Jedi, bad guy force users were called Sith... If they now make Sith just the clubhouse name of specific bad guy force users, it weakens things like Luke showing up in Rotj dressed like a Sith (balance), not to mention...

    How did anyone know they were Sith in the prequels?

    No one ever asked Maul if he was Sith...He was a bad guy force user and everyone accepted that bad guy force user equals Sith.


    Now I've said before and still say: if they want to just scrap prequels altogether that's just fine by me. For now, a couple of the movies have everyone assuming that being a bad guy force user and being Sith are the same thing and ending up being completely right about it.
    I think it's more that they want to present a more expansive universe than what the PT presented. I mean, realistically, "bad Force users = Sith" is only a thing because the Prequels did it that way. There's no reason you couldn't have bad Force users = any number of other things (e.g., "Dark Jedi," "Fallen Jedi," "Black Knights of Idej," etc.).

    So, I don't think they're explicitly "overruling" or "retconning" the PT so much as they're expanding beyond its confines. You could argue that the PT prophecy where Anakin destroys the Sith ends up being accurate. He does destroy the Sith by killing Palpatine and then dying on his own. (Unfortunately, he also killed the Jedi, because there's no equivalent of Tyrion Lannister in the Star Wars universe to warn people about how prophecy kicks like a mule...)

    After that, we have new Jedi of sorts, and the Knights of Ren, and whatever else may follow.
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    Jan 24, 2016, 10:59 AM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3144

    Solo4114 said: View Post
    Whenever I exit a plane on those rolling stairs, I always want to shout "The Beatles!!" and be met by cheering fans.



    So....Snoke = Leto II?



    I think it's more that they want to present a more expansive universe than what the PT presented. I mean, realistically, "bad Force users = Sith" is only a thing because the Prequels did it that way. There's no reason you couldn't have bad Force users = any number of other things (e.g., "Dark Jedi," "Fallen Jedi," "Black Knights of Idej," etc.).

    So, I don't think they're explicitly "overruling" or "retconning" the PT so much as they're expanding beyond its confines. You could argue that the PT prophecy where Anakin destroys the Sith ends up being accurate. He does destroy the Sith by killing Palpatine and then dying on his own. (Unfortunately, he also killed the Jedi, because there's no equivalent of Tyrion Lannister in the Star Wars universe to warn people about how prophecy kicks like a mule...)

    After that, we have new Jedi of sorts, and the Knights of Ren, and whatever else may follow.

    Yeah, I don't see this as undermining the PT al all. I think if anything it honors what the PT and OT established in regards to the rise of the Sith and their eventual destruction by Anakin. The Sith have been destroyed thanks to self sacrifice, it would suck if 30 years later they are back already. Let's do something new.
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    Jan 24, 2016, 1:29 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3145

    Well I think the PT utterly failed in explaining exactly what being a Sith really means or why they are so powerful and unique. However, I assume Qui-gon could tell Maul was a Sith via some visual cue or fighting style (maybe yellow eyes are unique only to Sith or something) when he reported to the council that he believed the attacker was "a Dark Lord of the Sith". We know from TPM that the Jedi believed the Sith were extinct but that wouldn't rule out other darksiders. The Sith were just a particularly dangerous and threatening sect (for reasons that largely remain unexplained). Unless lightsabers are solely ceremonial, I assume there was still a practical reason why Jedi carried them and were so good at saber to saber combat. I think it could be chalked up to more than simple training.

    The PT introduced the notion of "bringing balance to the Force" and the "chosen one" stuff, which I always thought was stupid because it never made any sense as it was explained. However, I wonder if that could've been intentionally nonsensical. Maybe the Jedi were mistaken and too self absorbed to correctly determine what the prophecy actually entailed. I think that could be where the ST is going with things. The only way there can be balance is to recognize that everyone has a darkside and not banish or ignore it. There can only be balance with equal parts light and dark. Maybe that's what Luke is coming to realize. George had said many years ago the ST would be more philosophical and explore the "shades of gray". Good and evil might not be so black and white.
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    Jan 24, 2016, 3:05 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3146

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    I told you @annanake
    Yep don't know what I was thinking ?

    If I ever run into someone wearing jackboots and an all black officer uniform who has found Hitlers skull, keeps it on a shrine and talks to it .
    Who has his own personal gas chambers built .
    Who goes to a Jewish school and wipes it out with a custom built Walter ppk looking side arm.
    I will know better than to call him a Nazi .
    He is not .
    he is the new archetype of dark side practitioners that has emerged to fill the void left by the Nazis demise obviously !


    And Kylo's master.
    who has Plagueis exact back story of secretly controlling events from the Shadow's for years, same expected physical wound's from surving Palpatines attack, and musical cues but of course is not Plagueis.

    Give me minute I'm trying to get this strait in my head.

    The writers *came up* with Snoke all by themselves. some have claimed they never even heard of Plagueis before they just happen to write snoke as exactly the same . they then have Ben training to be Jedi but who gets woo'd away by Snoke. is ordered to return to kill all the students. And is now 2nd in command of a rising empire seconded only by a leader who appears as a huge hologram dressed in a black robe.
    Those writers presented there ideas.

    which make perfect sense if it is the Sith continuing there reign .

    But said here is the twist, you're gonna love this even though we completely retold parts of every star wars movie that came before this one to some extent our idea is , wait this is really good !

    there not even Sith BOOM fresh and original .

    So ultimately what your saying is the wook is right ?!?

    They are trying to passed off the same old story as original?!?!?!?

    I could accept the circular storyline if this is the same 20,000 year old battle between the Jedi and the Sith .
    But to rehash the past story and then try to put your fingerprint on it by changing the name of the Villain's while leaving literally everything else the same is complete B.S.

    Everyone keeps saying things like let's do something new . or it is expanding the universe.

    but new or expanding is NOT a name change while leaving everything else EXACTLY the same now is it ?
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    Jan 24, 2016, 3:33 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3147

    If the Sith are not the only Dark Force users, then the Jedi are not the only Light Force users.

    It could be that the division between Dark and Light has more to do with the school of study, methodology and philosophy and not just bad feelings vs. good feelings.

    If that is the case, then by destroying most of the Jedi and then destroying the last of the Sith, Anakind DID fulfill the prophecy by bringing balance to the force instead of it being divided into two sects.

    I have long thought that rules of taking kids from their parents at early ages, then no marriage or other 'attachments' was too cult-like. And add to that Qui-gons references to the 'living force' that the Jedi council seemed not to be keen on and there is plenty of room for something above and beyond the Jedi 'good guys' as much as there is plenty of ways to use the dark side without being a Sith.
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    Jan 24, 2016, 3:49 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3148

    Guri said: View Post
    If the Sith are not the only Dark Force users, then the Jedi are not the only Light Force users.

    It could be that the division between Dark and Light has more to do with the school of study, methodology and philosophy and not just bad feelings vs. good feelings.

    If that is the case, then by destroying most of the Jedi and then destroying the last of the Sith, Anakind DID fulfill the prophecy by bringing balance to the force instead of it being divided into two sects.

    I have long thought that rules of taking kids from their parents at early ages, then no marriage or other 'attachments' was too cult-like. And add to that Qui-gons references to the 'living force' that the Jedi council seemed not to be keen on and there is plenty of room for something above and beyond the Jedi 'good guys' as much as there is plenty of ways to use the dark side without being a Sith.
    Yes, and now it's interesting that the First Order is doing the exact same thing with their recruits.
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    Jan 24, 2016, 3:51 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3149

    in my opinion the Jedi did not know what the he'll they were talking about most of the time .

    The prophecy said the chosen one would balance the force they take it as the ten thousand Jedi defeated the two Sith ????

    If it doesn't exist in the archives then it doesn't exist.( opps found it)

    If you leave now without completing your training save you're friends you might . but only a fully trained Jedi knight could defeat Vader . ( uh oh weekend warrior Luke Wins)

    The list goes on .
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    Jan 24, 2016, 3:56 PM - Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release) #3150

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    in my opinion the Jedi did not know what the he'll they were talking about most of the time .

    The prophecy said the chosen one would balance the force they take it as the ten thousand Jedi defeated the two Sith ????

    If it doesn't exist in the archives then it doesn't exist.( opps found it)

    If you leave now without completing your training save you're friends you might . but only a fully trained Jedi knight could defeat Vader . ( uh oh weekend warrior Luke Wins)

    The list goes on .
    Maybe this franchise just isn't for you.

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