Re: Vader's MPP shroud
Fantastic work!!
Fantastic work!!
Vader's MPP shroud (update)
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Re: Vader's MPP shroud
Well, it wasn't me who came to this conclusion, but my supplier
But I can give you a few reasons:
- 4 parts can be made out of 1 piece
- a square piece is easy to position and fixate
- the material must be rotated for machining the other side, this is easier with a square piece.
- you need sufficient material for proper clamping.
- the interior of the part is machined as well
- depends on what's in stock.
I can't think of any more reasons, but I'm sure that there are.
Well, it wasn't me who came to this conclusion, but my supplier
But I can give you a few reasons:
- 4 parts can be made out of 1 piece
- a square piece is easy to position and fixate
- the material must be rotated for machining the other side, this is easier with a square piece.
- you need sufficient material for proper clamping.
- the interior of the part is machined as well
- depends on what's in stock.
I can't think of any more reasons, but I'm sure that there are.
Sym-Cha
Master Member
Re: Vader's MPP shroud
I just happen to like square instead of round stock ... and there's nothing remotely gay about that, I think :wacko
:lol
Chaim
I just happen to like square instead of round stock ... and there's nothing remotely gay about that, I think :wacko
:lol
Chaim
Lichtbringer
Master Member
Re: Vader's MPP shroud
One thing will be that the way of production itself is not accurate to the old parts, as i´m pretty sure there was no cnc involved in the good old times.
And i noticed that todays cnc-machinist just look different to any tasks than the oldtimers with their conventional machines. The different way of machining trained them to, they are not used the old way.
And at the end, the cnced parts look different to the trained eye, one of the reason why i often don´t like the cnced replications of old parts - but with this part it will not matter, after the wrinkle paint is on the differencies should be invisible
Well, it wasn't me who came to this conclusion, but my supplier
But I can give you a few reasons:
- 4 parts can be made out of 1 piece
- a square piece is easy to position and fixate
- the material must be rotated for machining the other side, this is easier with a square piece.
- you need sufficient material for proper clamping.
- the interior of the part is machined as well
- depends on what's in stock.
I can't think of any more reasons, but I'm sure that there are.
One thing will be that the way of production itself is not accurate to the old parts, as i´m pretty sure there was no cnc involved in the good old times.
And i noticed that todays cnc-machinist just look different to any tasks than the oldtimers with their conventional machines. The different way of machining trained them to, they are not used the old way.
And at the end, the cnced parts look different to the trained eye, one of the reason why i often don´t like the cnced replications of old parts - but with this part it will not matter, after the wrinkle paint is on the differencies should be invisible
Bmkristiansen
New Member
Re: Vader's MPP shroud
Nice work! You should do a Obi-Wan blueprint as well
Nice work! You should do a Obi-Wan blueprint as well
Re: Vader's MPP shroud
This is all very true. But the good thing of these modern rapid prototyping techniques is that a smaller quantity production is much more affordable, because no special tooling is required, even though tooling itself became more affordable as well.
The original shrouds were casted. I investigated casting in aluminium as a method for this run, but I didn't find a satisfying and affordable solution.
And like you say: for this part, a lot of the details are covered by the wrinkle coating.
But I totally agree that it's best if the processes of the original and the replica are identical. That's what I try all the time and that's why I did invest in tooling for the bubble strip and that is also why clamps and stamped parts are much harder to realize in small quantities.
One thing will be that the way of production itself is not accurate to the old parts, as i´m pretty sure there was no cnc involved in the good old times.
And i noticed that todays cnc-machinist just look different to any tasks than the oldtimers with their conventional machines. The different way of machining trained them to, they are not used the old way.
And at the end, the cnced parts look different to the trained eye, one of the reason why i often don´t like the cnced replications of old parts - but with this part it will not matter, after the wrinkle paint is on the differencies should be invisible
This is all very true. But the good thing of these modern rapid prototyping techniques is that a smaller quantity production is much more affordable, because no special tooling is required, even though tooling itself became more affordable as well.
The original shrouds were casted. I investigated casting in aluminium as a method for this run, but I didn't find a satisfying and affordable solution.
And like you say: for this part, a lot of the details are covered by the wrinkle coating.
But I totally agree that it's best if the processes of the original and the replica are identical. That's what I try all the time and that's why I did invest in tooling for the bubble strip and that is also why clamps and stamped parts are much harder to realize in small quantities.
Sym-Cha
Master Member
Re: Vader's MPP shroud
When Roy and I took a real close look at my vintage MPP shroud ... it's quite obvious to see somesort of a seamline when taken apart from the MPP tube ... that would suggest a metal casting made from a mold ... and since the shroud is rather light and not magnetic we suspect it's an aluminum casting or other rather light metal-alloy
Chaim
When Roy and I took a real close look at my vintage MPP shroud ... it's quite obvious to see somesort of a seamline when taken apart from the MPP tube ... that would suggest a metal casting made from a mold ... and since the shroud is rather light and not magnetic we suspect it's an aluminum casting or other rather light metal-alloy
Chaim
Lichtbringer
Master Member
Re: Vader's MPP shroud
There is a big Aluminium-Caster in Oldenzaal, right on the other side of the street from one of my workplaces. http://www.algietol.nl/page/Welkom/csId=7
But up to now i never asked if they accept small jobs, too.
There is a big Aluminium-Caster in Oldenzaal, right on the other side of the street from one of my workplaces. http://www.algietol.nl/page/Welkom/csId=7
But up to now i never asked if they accept small jobs, too.
Re: Vader's MPP shroud
Nice! I don't know them. For now it's too late, but I might contact them in the future. Production in Holland is expensive though.
Nice! I don't know them. For now it's too late, but I might contact them in the future. Production in Holland is expensive though.
newmagrathea
Sr Member
Re: Vader's MPP shroud
I friggin love you man. Any word on a price?
I friggin love you man. Any word on a price?
newmagrathea
Sr Member
newmagrathea
Sr Member
Re: Vader's MPP shroud
Any new news on the shrouds?
Any new news on the shrouds?
Re: Vader's MPP shroud
there are a few heilands on eBay going for 65-70 bucks, are those the ones we need to convert to vaders? I'm trying to find some good threads on how to convert to vaders. vaders is new to me, and I'm under the impression theres 3 vader sabers? any good place to go to learn the difference between them all?
there are a few heilands on eBay going for 65-70 bucks, are those the ones we need to convert to vaders? I'm trying to find some good threads on how to convert to vaders. vaders is new to me, and I'm under the impression theres 3 vader sabers? any good place to go to learn the difference between them all?
Re: Vader's MPP shroud
You are correct... there were three Vader lightsabers for each of the three movies - four if you count the holiday special lightsaber ;-)
But the thing to point out first is that none of the Vaders were made from Heilands, the Vader sabers used in ANH and ESB were made from M.P.P. Microflash units. But, the Heiland is a close approximation to the MPP and is a) easier to find and b) a heck of a lot cheaper to buy when/if you find one generally speaking.
The Vader ROTJ lightsaber is made from a bastardized Graflex...
You are correct... there were three Vader lightsabers for each of the three movies - four if you count the holiday special lightsaber ;-)
But the thing to point out first is that none of the Vaders were made from Heilands, the Vader sabers used in ANH and ESB were made from M.P.P. Microflash units. But, the Heiland is a close approximation to the MPP and is a) easier to find and b) a heck of a lot cheaper to buy when/if you find one generally speaking.
The Vader ROTJ lightsaber is made from a bastardized Graflex...
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