Terminator: Genisys (Post-release)

Dad and I saw it. It was okay. Not great. Could have been way better. Is it just be or did the CG Arnold during the punks scene looked better in the film than it did from the preview if the same scene?

Also, I noticed something off. The scene at the cabin in Sarah's flashback. When she looks up at Pops, he looks like he's dressed like how the T-800 looked in the third act, down to the Gargoyle sunglasses. Did those style of sunglasses exist in 1973? If not, how'd Pops get a pair of them in that time period?

Glad to see Sandrine Holt. Bummer her character is most likely dead.

And they had two Brits playing the villains. Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed some of Jason Clarke's performances in the past, but I didn't buy him as John Connor. Seriously, they could have hired Edward Furlong to play the role again and it'd been better.

The mid-credit scene. I have to call BS on it. Seriously, let the franchise die already! We don't need another one.

But, all in all, the main issue I have with the film is that it's too light. The first two films were pretty dark in their design and story. Everything after the second film is too light, often too comedic and it pushes me out of the film. I tried to give it a chance, but I wouldn't recommend this to anyone to see it in the theaters. At most, I'd recommend a TNT showing., at best.
 
I'm gonna go against the grain and say that I loved it. I went into it with the same level of expectation as I did when watching Salvation (the worst of the series, in my opinion), and I was very much surprised. It was awesome to see the final battle against Skynet in The Future War and an even greater treat to see some previous concept art come to life on the screen (particularly, the HK-Centurion). Thankfully, Judgement Day happened before George Lucas could create Episode I, otherwise Skynet would have known that it's never a smart move to have all your troops taking commands from a single source. Still, as a computer system, Skynet should have had backups and redundancies built in instead of a Central Core to avoid a complete shutdown.
 
Thankfully this movie turned out to be pretty good. Especially after reading months of negativity against it. I liked Jai Courtney in this movie more than anything else I have seen him in.
 
Just got back from seeing the new Terminator movie. Not the best in the series but far from the worst. Totally screwed with the timelines. Arnie was fun as "Pops" terminator but I wasn't buying the guy they got to take over the role of Reese. But if you take all the timelines as stemming from the original movie there should of been one long que of terminators waiting for their turn to get sent back from the future.
 
Flagg said:
Just got back from seeing the new Terminator movie. Not the best in the series but far from the worst. Totally screwed with the timelines. Arnie was fun as "Pops" terminator but I wasn't buying the guy they got to take over the role of Reese. But if you take all the timelines as stemming from the original movie there should of been one long que of terminators waiting for their turn to get sent back from the future.
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interesting concept.............poor product. talk about poluted timelines...............sheesh............we are gonna need a graph 5x times bigger than the one for inception to figure it all out. loved the beginning but once the story goes forward to 2017 and dupli-connor..............it loses me.
 
SVTStingRay said:
interesting concept.............poor product. talk about poluted timelines...............sheesh............we are gonna need a graph 5x times bigger than the one for inception to figure it all out. loved the beginning but once the story goes forward to 2017 and dupli-connor..............it loses me.
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You aren't kidding about the bigger graph...

http://www.slashfilm.com/terminator-genisys-matt-smith/

When Matt Smith was first cast in Terminator: Genisys, we had no idea who he was playing. Now that the film is in theaters, of course, we have the answer — but we’re left with a whole bunch of other questions about his mysterious character.

In a new interview, screenwriters Laeta Kalogridis and Patrick Lussier explain the Terminator Genisys Matt Smith character, including where he came from, what he wants, and what in the hell he’s doing here. (Warning: Spoilers ahead for Terminator: Genisys.)


If you’ve seen the movie, you know Matt Smith is Skynet. He’s the one who changes the timeline by attacking John Connor (Jason Clarke). While Smith doesn’t get a lot of screentime in this movie, it’s clear he’s being set up for greater things in the sequel. But how did he get there, and what exactly is he capable of?


Kalogridis explained to Crave Online:


You see in the beginning. He grabs John. He’s not from this timeline. He’s from an alternate universe, in the multiverse, another of the many universes that exist. That Skynet is not from that timeline. […] This Skynet has been to this universe, and this universe, and this universe. That’s why he says, “I came a very long way to stop you.” He’s not from here. So he’s watched it. He’s watched it happen a bunch of different times, and each time he’s seen it there is a different result but the same result.
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Lussier added:


It is the understanding that for Skynet, finally realizing that “I cannot just wipe out the humans, I can never defeat the humans unless I have the best weapon that humans have, and that is him.”
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Kalogridis made sure to emphasize that Smith’s Skynet is not the same Skynet from Terminator and Terminator: Genisys. Unlike that Skynet, “this particular Skynet can” hop between dimensions.


Their breakdown of the Terminator Genisys Matt Smith character leaves still more questions about how he picked up those time-hopping abilities, what else he saw, what he’s going to do with them next, and so on, but hey, they have to leave something open for the sequel.


For an even more detailed explanation of the “multiverse model” of Terminator: Genisys, read the full interview here.
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and this:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Term...s-Scene-What-Happens-What-It-Means-72377.html

SPOILER WARNING: This article contains some absolutely massive spoilers for Terminator: Genisys. If you haven’t seen the movie yet, and don’t wish for the ending to be ruined, you may want to click away to another one of our wonderful articles.

Just before the credits roll on Terminator: Genisys, it looks like everything is just peachy. Both Emilia Clarke’s Sarah Connor and Jai Courtney’s Kyle Reese manage to survive the final battle against the movie’s titular computer network, and Arnold Schwarzenegger’s “Pops” even gets a liquid metal upgrade. But those who wait around for the scene after the credits know that not all is really well in this new timeline, as Genisys is actually still alive.


Admittedly the scene is very quick – lasting only about 10 seconds – but it makes an impact, and makes sure that the audience knows that this story isn’t over just yet. The scene begins with a ball that is filled with red light and glowing – but then we see that it’s not alone. It turns out that Genisys – represented by a blue light in the shape of a child – has not been destroyed, and that the future of the robot uprising is still a very real thing.


This past weekend I had the opportunity to talk with Terminator: Genisys director Alan Taylor about his new movie, and it was at the close of our conversation that I brought up the post-credits sequence – seeking his inside knowledge of what it means for the future of the franchise. Noting that the scene was always part of the script from when he became involved, the filmmaker’s explanation of what it means is pretty cut and dry:
It was always there as a kind of gateway - to further developments… It’s precisely a kind of, ‘it’s not over yet’ moment. On the one hand, it’s one of the things that points to there being further chapters. On the other hand, this is a kind of franchise where I don’t think anybody really believes that you’re going to end up neatly or happily. So, when our heroes drives off into the sunset and we think, well that went well. There’s still going to be a nagging feeling that wait, it’s not that easy.
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The director also revealed to me that the scene wasn’t always going to be a post-credits stinger. At times points through the post-production process it was actually put into the movie. As the movie went through test screenings, it was determined that the best place for that moment was at the very end of the last reel.


When Terminator: Genisys was announced in 2013, it was noted that the movie is going to be the first in a new trilogy of films. It’s for this reason that the movie doesn’t have a firm conclusion and feature the ultimate death of Genisys, and leaves so many unanswered questions. In my interview, however, Alan Taylor confirmed that there is a larger plan for the future of the series, filled with all the big answers. Discussing the paradox that drives the entire series (in order for John to be born, Kyle has to be sent back in time, and that doesn’t happen until the robot uprising), Taylor explained,
There is, in fact, a final resolution to that paradox that I know Skydance has in mind, and it will be wonderful if they get a chance to bring that out in further, in later chapters. But the [post-credits scene] is pointing to later chapters, and at least saying, ‘It’s not that simple.’
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Terminator: Genisys is in theaters nationwide now.
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and this:

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/mat...nisys-so-who-is-matt-smith-s-character-really

Matt Smith's part in Terminator Genisys has long been a secret. So how does his role affect this summer's sequel...?

NB: This article contains major spoilers for Terminator Genisys.


“Obviously, I can't talk in too much detail about the specifics of my character,” Matt Smith told us during our visit to the set of Terminator Genisys last year. “But needless to say I have close interest and links to John Connor. So yeah. What else do you want to know? I love football!”


Such was the secrecy around the project in 2014, at least until Terminator Genisys’ marketing department cut together some of the most revealing trailers of recent years (something that wasn’t, director Alan Taylor has admitted, part of his original plan). But even as John Connor's dramatic change of allegiance was unveiled early in Genisys' promotion, the precise nature of Matt Smith’s character in the grand scheme of things remained a closely guarded secret. Images were shown of the actor in the improvised garb of a resistance fighter in post-Judgment Day Los Angeles. But there had to be something more to his story. Didn’t there?


There certainly is, as it turns out.


The mysterious Alex


Terminator Genisys, just like the 1984 original its plot seeks to deconstruct, begins in the future, where human resistance fighters are locked in a bitter war with Skynet - an artificial intelligence with an army of killer machines.


As was widely teased last year, Matt Smith (or Matthew Smith, as he’s billed in the credits) plays one of the freedom fighters running alongside their leader, the battle-scarred John Connor (Jason Clarke). Alex is on the front line as Connor and his forces make the final attack on Skynet, taking out its defences and capturing its colossal time machine.


As fans of The Terminator will already know, Skynet has managed to send a Terminator, a T-800, back in time as a last-ditch attempt to snatch a victory by changing the past. In response, Kyle Reese (Jai Courtney) strips off his clothes and heads back to 1984 to stop the T-800, and the rest is history. But wait! Just as Kyle’s whisked away into the mists of time, he has a split second to see John Connor attacked by one of his own number - and sure enough, it’s Matt Smith’s Alex. The duplicitous ******* was a machine all along.


The T-5000


Much later in the film, we learn that Alex is in fact a new and deadlier kind of Terminator that we haven’t seen before. Called the T-5000, it’s nothing less than a physical embodiment of Skynet itself. If the T-800s and T-1000s are loyal foot soldiers in the war on humans, the T-5000 is their king. More scarily still, the T-5000 is a nano-robot capable of infecting its victims and essentially turning them into human-machine hybrids.


Such is the fate that befalls John Connor just after he sends Kyle back in time. Now an evil, self-repairing nano-cyborg calling himself the T-3000, Connor goes back in time to the year 2017, where he plans to intercept Sarah Connor (Emilia Clarke) and Kyle Reese and try to convince them to end the war and enter a pact with the machines. Naturally, Sarah and Kyle refuse...


The launch of Genisys


Kyle and Sarah’s objective in 2017 is to destroy Genisys, a cross-platform operating system which tech company Cyberdyne plans to launch within hours. As the clock ticks down to that launch, and Kyle, Sarah and their helpful T-800 (a returning Arnold Schwarzenegger) storm Cyberdyne’s building to smash Genisys. The nearer to launch Genisys gets, the more its AI gains strength, until it’s finally revealed that Genisys is - wait for it - none other than Skynet, or Matt Smith once again. Although Skynet hasn't yet built its physical nano-body in 2017, it repeatedly emerges as a Smith-shaped hologram to taunt Kyle and Sarah.


All told, Smith’s role in Terminator Genisys is a relatively brief five minutes or so; when he turns up as the nascent Genisys towards the end of the movie, it’s a digitally-processed version of the actor, which means his physical presence in the film amounts to little more than a shot or two.


But dramatically, the T-5000 casts a long shadow, setting in motion the divergent timeline that takes the story’s events away from the T-800-versus-Kyle Reese chase of The Terminator and pushes Judgment Day back from 1997 to 2017.


Among Genisys' numerous time-bending ideas, the T-5000 certainly isn't the worst. In fact, there's something quite interesting about Skynet, an artificially-intelligence with potentially god-like power, creating a physical embodiment of that serves as a kind of techno Antichrist. And yet, like so many of the things set out in Terminator Genisys, like the T-3000's nano-bot powers, the motivations of the T-5000 are largely lost among the explosions and shoot-outs.


The future


As the film’s awkwardly-spelled title implies, Genisys is the manmade platform which ultimately gives birth to the deadly Skynet. And since Matt Smith is essentially Skynet, this makes him the antagonist that has sat at the centre of the franchise since the very beginning - we just haven’t had the chance to clap eyes on him before.


That the former Doctor is now the embodiment of humanity’s most ruthless enemy could be described as stunt casting, but Smith’s unpredictable, fleet-footed performance in Doctor Who could mean the T-5000 will be fleshed out in surprising ways in Terminator Genisys’ sequels. Will we learn why Skynet has a murderous hatred for humans? Is there some way to permanently deter Skynet from rising up to snuff us out, rather than merely postponing its inception?


Assuming, of course, that those sequels actually happen. Critical notices for Genisys have been borderline hostile so far - at the time of writing, it’s at 26 percent on Rotten Tomatoes, and our verdict wasn't exactly glowing - which could have an impact on its box-office. On the other hand, franchises like Transformers have long enjoyed success without the benefit of good reviews, and Genisys could still pull a decent profit through audience curiosity alone, especially if it's a success in Asia.


Production company Skydance clearly has big plans for the Terminator franchise if Genisys is a hit - Smith and Schwarzenegger are both locked in for two sequels, while Smith’s mention of “the different formats it’s going to take” could hint that he’ll be part of the long-mooted Terminator spin-off series, if it finally happens.


Matt Smith could, therefore, play a major part in the Terminator franchise’s future, but what happens next will largely be defined by Terminator Genisys’ performance over the next few days. "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves," has long been the Terminator motto.


Right now, Terminator Genisys' fate lies in the hands of its audience.
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Indeed it does rest in our hands... and to be honest, the idea they have is absolutely mind-boggling. I, for one, would absolutely LOVE to see how this trilogy plays out.

But then again, I absolutely love the Terminator universe, specifically the idea of multiple timelines. There's so much potential here, so I hope they continue forward.
 
Here's a bizarre thought that came up. And I know that this film doesn't fully follow canon, but there's something that's been irking me. Terminators are designed to last for a long period of time. I mean, in the first two films, we get a sense that the Terminators are capable of running at least 100 years (going from the information the Uncle Bob T-800 gave when John asked "how long do you last", but Uncle Bob stated that it was with his existing power cell he could last 120 years, but that may have just been in relation to the power cell itself). Now, these machines are meant to be tough, and we've seen how difficult it is to destroy one of them. Yet, Pops seems to have motor control problems with his hand and he had to stop to push his dislocated knee back into place while during the hospital scene. Pops explained that he's "old, but not obsolete." Shouldn't the T-800's endoskeleton not have these issues, no matter how old they get? I mean, why would Skynet design a machine that can easily break down with age, yet have a power cell that can run for at least 120 years? I mean, it's only 11 years between 1973 and 1984 (assuming Pops was purposefully sent back to 1973, and didn't end up in a much earlier timeframe). And it's 33 years between 1984 and 2017. That's 44 years that Pops may have been active.
 
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Ug with the convoluted time line stuff, but still an enjoyable film. Not great or an equal of the first two but again, for the most part a film I could find myself watching multiple times. I liked the Sarah Conner character more than I thought I would. She is no Linda Hamilton in terms of bad assery, but she did play the part well. In the show I went too, Arnie got the most laughs, and I enjoyed him every time he was on screen. Jai, well I can't say one thing good about his performance. I would rather have had them have Bien reprise his role, regardless of age.
 
It certainly did'nt perform the way they had hoped.

i also thought it would do better VERY disapointing take at the box office :unsure
 
Emilia Clarke was great as Sarah. Hated Jason Clarke as Connor, and Jai Courtney was forgettable. Also hated the over the top strength of the Terminators and the stuff like the school bus flip and the totally unbelievable helicopter stunts. I did like it better than the last two movies.
 
Apollo said:
Man this is TANKING at the box office! :unsure
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YAY :D :D :D good times

CB2001 said:
Here's a bizarre thought that came up. And I know that this film doesn't fully follow canon, but there's something that's been irking me. Terminators are designed to last for a long period of time. I mean, in the first two films, we get a sense that the Terminators are capable of running at least 100 years (going from the information the Uncle Bob T-800 gave when John asked "how long do you last", but Uncle Bob stated that it was with his existing power cell he could last 120 years, but that may have just been in relation to the power cell itself). Now, these machines are meant to be tough, and we've seen how difficult it is to destroy one of them. Yet, Pops seems to have motor control problems with his hand and he had to stop to push his dislocated knee back into place while during the hospital scene. Pops explained that he's "old, but not obsolete." Shouldn't the T-800's endoskeleton not have these issues, no matter how old they get? I mean, why would Skynet design a machine that can easily break down with age, yet have a power cell that can run for at least 120 years? I mean, it's only 11 years between 1973 and 1984 (assuming Pops was purposefully sent back to 1973, and didn't end up in a much earlier timeframe). And it's 33 years between 1984 and 2017. That's 44 years that Pops may have been active.
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Easy, HACK writers.

Mados said:
Also hated the over the top strength of the Terminators and the stuff like the school bus flip and the totally unbelievable helicopter stunts.
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T3 and onwards turned the Terminator into a superman-esque machine. Totally unlike what we see in the first two films :facepalm
 
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