JediMichael
Master Member
If only Disney would take what fans have done and just make it official....stupid legalistic issues.
...and on the side: stealing is stealing. You can attempt to justify it all you'd like - but the idea that Lucasfilm owes you something due to your years of purchasing their product does not make you entitled to download something illegally. The idea that these sites and downloads are available are still done by their good graces and it's a wonder they haven't taken action against them - there's something to be thankful for.
If only Disney would take what fans have done and just make it official....stupid legalistic issues.
If only Disney would take what fans have done and just make it official....stupid legalistic issues.
I always crack up when certain people on here get holier than thou about the so called "stealing" that's involved with fan edits. They seem to have more of an issue with these "illegal" versions of the films than Lucasfilm who has known about OT.com for over a decade and have let it go without so much as even one DCMA takedown notice.
So-called "stealing." If you have to justify it by referring to it like this... well, it sure appears that the issue is more with you than those that you think are "holier than thou." There are plenty of resources (including common sense) out there that are pretty clear that distributing these 'edits' clearly are illegal.
I'm comfortable with my morality - I'm often as guilty as the next guy. If someone feels a need to justify doing this with explanations that usually sound like "they owe me this," well, that's their issue - not mine. I don't have that sense of entitlement - and well, I just don't understand it. I don't want a participation trophy - but, while I do appreciate a freebie when I'm offered one, I'm not naive enough to think that I am getting something for nothing.
Stealing - whether it's a "fan edit" (which these aren't) - or just pirating entire movies aren't dissimilar and are quite clearly illegal (facts are facts). Whether or not Disney (or whomever) chooses to to pursue it... well, that's their call. As I stated above, these sites are allowed to continue by Disney's good graces and those that chose to participate should count those blessings.
So-called "stealing." If you have to justify it by referring to it like this... well, it sure appears that the issue is more with you than those that you think are "holier than thou." There are plenty of resources (including common sense) out there that are pretty clear that distributing these 'edits' clearly are illegal.
I'm comfortable with my morality - I'm often as guilty as the next guy. If someone feels a need to justify doing this with explanations that usually sound like "they owe me this," well, that's their issue - not mine. I don't have that sense of entitlement - and well, I just don't understand it. I don't want a participation trophy - but, while I do appreciate a freebie when I'm offered one, I'm not naive enough to think that I am getting something for nothing.
Stealing - whether it's a "fan edit" (which these aren't) - or just pirating entire movies aren't dissimilar and are quite clearly illegal (facts are facts). Whether or not Disney (or whomever) chooses to to pursue it... well, that's their call. As I stated above, these sites are allowed to continue by Disney's good graces and those that chose to participate should count those blessings.
As I've stated many times before I don't feel guilty AT ALL for watching fanedits since I've purchased the films on every media offered many times over in the past 20+ years and none of those purchases provide the best version possible of the films that screened in '77, '80 and '83. If your own internal moral compass doesn't allow for that and somehow you sleep better at night as a result then goody goody for you, but just know that your continued droning on like a broken record about the issue thinking that it will somehow sway opinions falls on deaf ears as nobody cares about your constant preaching. :rolleyes
Lastly, in the event that Lucasfilm actually released a high quality version of the OOT for mass consumption, sites like OT.com and Harmy's would probably just close up shop.
Likewise neither is the holier-than-thou "It's okay for me to steal this because they owe me this" nonsense. If I'm "preaching" a "sermon" - what are these people doing? Just pushing a belief that's inherently untrue.
It is clearly stealing - no matter how you choose to justify this. I only chose to reply about this once we had someone who had to speak up on their entitlement belief (I don't feel guilty, they owe me this!)... had that not happened, we wouldn't be having this part of the conversation once again.
This being a REPLICA forum, I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are when a direct translation is applied to our hobby.
Is it legal to buy a Kenner blaster and do a lot of work modifying it to make it look more accurate and faithful to the original film?
If so, is it legal to post a tutorial on youtube showing others how to do the same thing?
If so, is it legal to watch said youtube video so that you can also have an accurate blaster?
"Well that's not the same thing. You'd have to buy your own blaster and modify it yourself."
So then is it legal for me to offer castings of my modified blaster FOR FREE to the select few who really care about accuracy instead of the other 95% who are happy to buy one off the shelf? What if my condition for getting a free casting of my modified blaster was that you bought your own off the shelf (on the honor system) so that neither of us are actually taking any money from LFL?
Likewise neither is the holier-than-thou "It's okay for me to steal this because they owe me this" nonsense. If I'm "preaching" a "sermon" - what are these people doing? Just pushing a belief that's inherently untrue.
It is clearly stealing - no matter how you choose to justify this. I only chose to reply about this once we had someone who had to speak up on their entitlement belief (I don't feel guilty, they owe me this!)... had that not happened, we wouldn't be having this part of the conversation once again.
Not likely, at least for originaltrilogy.com. It's the hub of Adywan's revisited edits and various resources.
This being a REPLICA forum, I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are when a direct translation is applied to our hobby.
Is it legal to buy a Kenner blaster and do a lot of work modifying it to make it look more accurate and faithful to the original film?
If so, is it legal to post a tutorial on youtube showing others how to do the same thing?
If so, is it legal to watch said youtube video and follow the instructions so that you can also have an accurate blaster?
"Well that's not the same thing. You'd have to buy your own blaster and modify it yourself."
So then is it legal for me to give you a cast of my modified blaster FOR FREE because you're one of the select few who really care about accuracy instead of the other 95% who are happy to buy one off the shelf? What if my condition for getting a free casting of my modified blaster was that you bought your own off the shelf (on the honor system) so that neither of us are actually taking any money from LFL?
Our entire hobby is built on copyright infringement. Lol.
Likewise, Solo4114 - you feel a need to put your two cents just like everyone else. I could say practice what you preach - but, this is a forum where we discuss. My comments didn't take anything away from people that choose to do what they do. My original comment in this current debate was a little comment that has been blown out of proportion... one could reckon by those that feel a need to justify what they're doing or feel a sense of entitlement about it. Again, had someone not boasted about feeling entitled to a downloading an illegal copy - we wouldn't be having this conversation... we could just be talking about a hopeful OT release.What are these people doing? Nothing that concerns you, actually. They aren't taking anything away from you, they aren't denigrating you, and they definitely aren't acting "holier than thou" with respect to you or anyone else. I'm not sure you actually understand what "holier than thou" means. In case you can't tell, it means setting oneself in comparison to someone else, and claiming that you are better than them.
Example: "You all are nasty thieves, and I would never think to do such a horrible horrible thing."
Not an Example: "I think I'm gonna pirate this movie if it's never released commercially."
If you own a replica costume or prop, you're every bit the thief they are, so spare us all the moralizing. Copyright infringement is copyright infringement. Get over yourself