Jurassic World raptor CGI model (SPOILER WARNING)

Rymo · Jan 22, 2015

So, I was able to take a quick look at a low-res version of the new JW trailer that was leaked online recently, and I noticed something very familiar about one of the raptors in it. The CGI model they used for the raptor in the JW trailer looks identical to one of the CGI raptor models from the finale scene of Jurassic Park.

Here's a comparison of the two raptors. Top one is from JP and the bottom one is from JW. Pay close attention to the skin folds along the neck and the shadow along the tail. And even the lighting and shadows along the body. They look identical to me, like they used the exact same raptor model. What do you all think?

yankeetrex · Jan 22, 2015

It is just a stand in until they finish the raptor CGI, they wont use the same exact cgi. I know a few ILMers.

Rymo · Jan 22, 2015

yankeetrex said:
It is just a stand in until they finish the raptor CGI, they wont use the same exact cgi. I know a few ILMers.

Interesting! I had no idea. Thanks for the info! Honestly, I was actually kind of excited about the idea of seeing the old raptors. But, oh well.

JayCVenlo · Jan 27, 2015

if the model is good, why change it!! Maybe/Probably added some more polygons, some higher quality textures and your done.
The movements of the raptors in the old movie were good enough.

i see it like a wheel. its a perfect cirkel... you could put some nice tires and chrome on it, but that base is still the same.. if it work, it works.

tdl84 · Jan 27, 2015

yankeetrex said:
It is just a stand in until they finish the raptor CGI, they wont use the same exact cgi. I know a few ILMers.

That makes sense! Though, I would have quite liked it if it was a nod to the first movie.

The Terminator · Jan 28, 2015

JayCVenlo said:
if the model is good, why change it!! Maybe/Probably added some more polygons, some higher quality textures and your done.
The movements of the raptors in the old movie were good enough.

i see it like a wheel. its a perfect cirkel... you could put some nice tires and chrome on it, but that base is still the same.. if it work, it works.

You can't just add a couple of polygons, it doesn't exactly work like that.

TylerHam · Jan 28, 2015

I worked at ILM for a few years - And I dont even think they still use the SOFTWARE that they used to create those original JP models anymore... (It may not even exist anymore..)

And - Sure, they might look good, but software and processing power has gotten so much better , they is really no reason to recycle an old model.. It would take so much updating and retexturing, not to mention possible converting from old software, it wouldnt really be worth it - Very cool observation though!

The Terminator · Jan 28, 2015

They started out by making maquettes of the dinos right, which they then scanned and made digital models. So isn't it possible they rescanned the same maquette and that is why they look identical? :confused

TylerHam · Jan 29, 2015

The Terminator said:
They started out by making maquettes of the dinos right, which they then scanned and made digital models. So isn't it possible they rescanned the same maquette and that is why they look identical? :confused

They wouldnt do that in these "modern VFX times"

The Terminator · Jan 30, 2015

TylerHam said:
They wouldnt do that in these "modern VFX times"

They might, if they wanted the exact same look as the Velociraptors in the first film

yankeetrex · Feb 1, 2015

With the new super bowl trailer online, you can see the scene in question with the updated cg models.....they look great

TylerHam · Feb 2, 2015

The Terminator said:
They might, if they wanted the exact same look as the Velociraptors in the first film

I can guarantee they wouldnt - Its just not a way these are done now -

My guess is for the low res trailer, they used the rendered Raptor element from the first film, and just comped it into place in this, with some color correction done to it...

callmemilo · Feb 6, 2015

TylerHam said:
They wouldnt do that in these "modern VFX times"

Actually they still very much use the same sort of 3d scanning in computer animation and effects! In Avatar they actually handmade all the Navi jewellery before scanning and simulating it, and you can see in the Star Wars bonus features for the prequel trilogy that they definitely used maquettes in the concept phase of character design before laser scanning the final sculpts in. They do alot of cleanup work on those scans, but essentially the tried and tested techniques still yield the best fruit.

TylerHam · Feb 6, 2015

callmemilo said:
Actually they still very much use the same sort of 3d scanning in computer animation and effects! In Avatar they actually handmade all the Navi jewellery before scanning and simulating it, and you can see in the Star Wars bonus features for the prequel trilogy that they definitely used maquettes in the concept phase of character design before laser scanning the final sculpts in. They do alot of cleanup work on those scans, but essentially the tried and tested techniques still yield the best fruit.

I dont know WHY they would do that - considering you have to basically remodel all assets once they are scanned anyway -

Perhaps as reference, but they arent scanning models and using them directly in films -

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