Things you're tired of seeing in movies

dascoyne said:
Maybe I'm out of touch but can you give some recent examples?
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Recent would be Man of Steel... The painted flag on a brick wall. Less recent would be Raimi's Spider-man ... There are many more but I can't remember them right now. BTW this was not to start some sort of argument or fight, it was just a remark that lots of non-US citizens have! Just search and you will see that the rest of the world really feels that the flag is over used! :p

Oh and I saw you mentioned Bond and his parachute and I just remembered they did the same with the US flag in one of the xXx movie! :)
 
wickedpaul said:
Recent would be Man of Steel... The painted flag on a brick wall. Less recent would be Raimi's Spider-man ... There are many more but I can't remember them right now. BTW this was not to start some sort of argument or fight, it was just a remark that lots of non-US citizens have! Just search and you will see that the rest of the world really feels that the flag is over used! :p

Oh and I saw you mentioned Bond and his parachute and I just remembered they did the same with the US flag in one of the xXx movie! :)
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How did you get the impression that I was looking for a fight? Heck, I'm not even offended.

I already understand that the display of the US flag can provoke strong reactions from many folks like yourself.

I think no less of you for it. I should expect you'd think no less of me for feeling otherwise.


I forgot about the xXx parachute scene. The gag worked better for me in the Bond film.
 
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Flag never bothered me. Hell, these films are made in the States and Americans tend to be quite patriotic so why not. :)

Also loved it with the Union Jack in TSWLM.

What does bother me is the stereotypical WW2 film where it's pretended that the US was the only one there. Incredibly insulting to all the nations who desperately fought tyranny to ensure that there was still a war to join in December of 1941.

I think Band of Brothers actually portrayed it quite well. Yes, it was focused on American soldiers but there was awareness of other nations at work. That's all we ask. :thumbsup
 
Michael Bergeron said:
Flag never bothered me. Hell, these films are made in the States and Americans tend to be quite patriotic so why not. :)

Also loved it with the Union Jack in TSWLM.

What does bother me is the stereotypical WW2 film where it's pretended that the US was the only one there. Incredibly insulting to all the nations who desperately fought tyranny to ensure that there was still a war to join in December of 1941.

I think Band of Brothers actually portrayed it quite well. Yes, it was focused on American soldiers but there was awareness of other nations at work. That's all we ask. :thumbsup
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I'm not sure it's available outside Europe, but had anyone seen the french movie "Indigènes"? (Called "Dayd of Glory" apparently?)
It's a WW2 movie about algerian/moroccan/tunesian soldiers in the french army and how they helped liberate France. They were generally used ad cannon-fodder and threated like *****. When the french colonies gained their independence, they lost most of their veteran-rights and most of them now live a life without any recognition for all their sacrifices.
Nice moral story (maybe comparable to the black US soldiers?) and great war flick...

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dascoyne said:
How did you get the impression that I was looking for a fight? Heck, I'm not even offended.

I already understand that the display of the US flag can provoke strong reactions from many folks like yourself.
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I didn't mean it that way, I just don't want to sound like some US hater and I don't want to make this an awkward situation with other forum members. The feeling outsiders have about the flag being displayed in "every" movies is more of a running joke than a annoyance per say.
I'm still gonna watch and appreciate movies regardless :)
 
Michael Bergeron said:
Flag never bothered me. Hell, these films are made in the States and Americans tend to be quite patriotic so why not. :)

Also loved it with the Union Jack in TSWLM.

What does bother me is the stereotypical WW2 film where it's pretended that the US was the only one there. Incredibly insulting to all the nations who desperately fought tyranny to ensure that there was still a war to join in December of 1941.

I think Band of Brothers actually portrayed it quite well. Yes, it was focused on American soldiers but there was awareness of other nations at work. That's all we ask. :thumbsup
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Well, there's always The Devil's Brigade...

In seriousness, though, I do agree. I always thought it'd be cool to see a Band of Brothers style show about the Royal Army and Commonwealth armored forces in North Africa.
 
I remember The Devil's Brigade and that was a great scene, I love watching British military drill, they're also so crisp and precise and there's just something that I like about their long arm swings and all of the stomping although I'm glad that I never had to do that myself.
 
I tire easily of someone griping every single time there's a WW2 movie that has GIs in it, whinning that the other nations aren't represented.
Heck, I never heard anyone gripe when US forces aren't represented in Eastern Front movies.
PLENTY of movies on the Brits in WW2 have been made with no mentions of the US at all. When's the last time someone griped about the lack of GIs in one of those?
Anyone ever see the Canadian movie on Dieppe? Heck, there were US Rangers in that raid, and there is ZERO mention of them in that film. But did you hear anyone in the US gripe about that? Nope, not one...
 
Michael Bergeron said:
Flag never bothered me. Hell, these films are made in the States and Americans tend to be quite patriotic so why not. :)

Also loved it with the Union Jack in TSWLM.

What does bother me is the stereotypical WW2 film where it's pretended that the US was the only one there. Incredibly insulting to all the nations who desperately fought tyranny to ensure that there was still a war to join in December of 1941.

I think Band of Brothers actually portrayed it quite well. Yes, it was focused on American soldiers but there was awareness of other nations at work. That's all we ask. :thumbsup
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The Longest Day

And the British made countless great WW2 movies from their perspective, of course.

Battle of Britain
The Dam Busters
Went the Day Well
The Cruel Sea

Even in thrillers like, Where Eagles Dare with Richard Burton and Clint Eastwood, I recall Eastwood really being peripheral and useless.

Reelo said:
I'm not sure it's available outside Europe, but had anyone seen the french movie "Indigènes"? (Called "Dayd of Glory" apparently?)
It's a WW2 movie about algerian/moroccan/tunesian soldiers in the french army and how they helped liberate France. They were generally used ad cannon-fodder and threated like *****. When the french colonies gained their independence, they lost most of their veteran-rights and most of them now live a life without any recognition for all their sacrifices.
Nice moral story (maybe comparable to the black US soldiers?) and great war flick...

Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
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I'm going to look for that.

Solo4114 said:
Well, there's always The Devil's Brigade...

In seriousness, though, I do agree. I always thought it'd be cool to see a Band of Brothers style show about the Royal Army and Commonwealth armored forces in North Africa.
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I recently acquired a copy of a 2013 German 3-part miniseries, Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter ("Our Mothers, our Fathers" (a.k.a. The Generation War). It's the story of five German friends who go live through different parts of the war. The premise itself sounds great. I heard the show was controversial for a number of reasons including an unflattering portrayal of the Polish.

I haven't watched it yet but I'm looking forward to it.

Oh, I STRONGLY recommend a 1970's BBC series Secret Army. It takes place in German-occupied Belgium about an underground movement that rescued downed RAF pilots and smuggled them back to the UK. I believe it's based on some real historical characters. Since it hasn't been released in the US you can probably torrent it. It's a low budget from the 1970's but a great story.

Actually you can find the whole series scattered about on YouTube.
Here's the first episode (in 6 clips).

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL05166444A64CBF77
 
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p51 said:
I tire easily of someone griping every single time there's a WW2 movie that has GIs in it, whinning that the other nations aren't represented.
Heck, I never heard anyone gripe when US forces aren't represented in Eastern Front movies.
PLENTY of movies on the Brits in WW2 have been made with no mentions of the US at all. When's the last time someone griped about the lack of GIs in one of those?
Anyone ever see the Canadian movie on Dieppe? Heck, there were US Rangers in that raid, and there is ZERO mention of them in that film. But did you hear anyone in the US gripe about that? Nope, not one...
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Don't get me wrong, I could care less if an American film follows American troops. Of course they'd do that. I think my issue is with the attitude I've seen that seems exclusive to the American public that they were the only ones fighting the war. When films reinforce that malice it's aggravating. As a veteran of another military it's infuriating that this is an actual conversation I had:

Guy: "WW2 was 1941 - 1945"

Me: "Actually it was 1939 - 1945. You mean the US was a part of the war after 1941"

Guy: "Nah, that doesn't count. No one fought back until the US came"

Me: "Are you ******** me? I have relatives that died FIGHTING before the US entered the war"

Guy: "Well it still doesn't count, it's not a world war unless all continents are involved and we didn't join until 1941"

Me: "You realize you're not the only one on this continent right? Canada joined in 1939"

Guy: "Ya, but America didn't join so it doesn't count"


At that point I told him to **** off and try reading a book sometime.


Or how about not even WW2. Flyboys! Here we have a film about WW1 pilots in the early to mid war period. I think, awesome! We've got so many awesome ones to chose from from the French, British, and German air forces. What do we get? A story about an American volunteer force with the French. Okay, I say, fair enough, American film. Then they take this unit, which was below average in it's effectiveness in action, and give it an American ace who has more kills than the highest scoring American at the end of the war and put him in charge of a unit that takes out squadrons of Red Barons! What a load of horse ****.

I honestly don't mind a bit of "rah rah" but it's affecting the American psyche and the viewing public is eating it up as real.

/RANT


In the end, my frustration is with the lack of education I guess. Don't mind me.

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dascoyne said:
I recall Eastwood really being peripheral and useless.
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Eastwood is NEVER peripheral and useless. :lol
 
Michael Bergeron said:
Don't get me wrong, I could care less if an American film follows American troops. Of course they'd do that. I think my issue is with the attitude I've seen that seems exclusive to the American public that they were the only ones fighting the war.
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Again, there are plenty of movies made in other countries that would lead you to believe that theirs was the only nation fighting in WW2 (lots of Brit movies do this as well). The recent Russian movie, "White Tiger" has the German final surrender taking place with only one American officer seen and NO other allied people at all in the room.
Really, there's a good argument for WW2 having started before the Brits got involved, when the Japanese started their Asian campaign...
And you can't make the comparison to the portrayal of WW2 movies with one idiot you've encountered. I've dealt with many of your countrymen when I was in the military and I promise you that this level of ignorance in regard to the 1930s and 1940s is not limited to my side of the pond!
 
p51 said:
And you can't make the comparison to the portrayal of WW2 movies with one idiot you've encountered. I've dealt with many of your countrymen when I was in the military and I promise you that this level of ignorance in regard to the 1930s and 1940s is not limited to my side of the pond!
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I'm not British. I'm actually half American. ;)

And this is a conversation I have had with countless Americans. This gentleman happened to be a teacher which made it much worse.

As I said though, you're right about films. I'm frustrated with the "rah rah" crap on any side to be honest but what makes it terrible is when you see that as being the only education which sadly in this day in age film & TV seems to be.
 
Michael Bergeron said:
Don't get me wrong, I could care less if an American film follows American troops. Of course they'd do that. I think my issue is with the attitude I've seen that seems exclusive to the American public that they were the only ones fighting the war. When films reinforce that malice it's aggravating. As a veteran of another military it's infuriating that this is an actual conversation I had:

Guy: "WW2 was 1941 - 1945"

Me: "Actually it was 1939 - 1945. You mean the US was a part of the war after 1941"

Guy: "Nah, that doesn't count. No one fought back until the US came"

Me: "Are you ******** me? I have relatives that died FIGHTING before the US entered the war"

Guy: "Well it still doesn't count, it's not a world war unless all continents are involved and we didn't join until 1941"

Me: "You realize you're not the only one on this continent right? Canada joined in 1939"

Guy: "Ya, but America didn't join so it doesn't count"


At that point I told him to **** off and try reading a book sometime.


Or how about not even WW2. Flyboys! Here we have a film about WW1 pilots in the early to mid war period. I think, awesome! We've got so many awesome ones to chose from from the French, British, and German air forces. What do we get? A story about an American volunteer force with the French. Okay, I say, fair enough, American film. Then they take this unit, which was below average in it's effectiveness in action, and give it an American ace who has more kills than the highest scoring American at the end of the war and put him in charge of a unit that takes out squadrons of Red Barons! What a load of horse ****.

I honestly don't mind a bit of "rah rah" but it's affecting the American psyche and the viewing public is eating it up as real.

/RANT


In the end, my frustration is with the lack of education I guess. Don't mind me.
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if that's an actual conversation you had then you probably need to hang out with a better class of people.

I've met ignorant folks everywhere. It's not unique to the US.

I do think that people often get a false impression of the people in the US because all they know is our television and films. Most don't realize how misplaced their impressions might be or know how they came to that conclusion. I lived abroad for several years and I commonly met folks who said, if they ever visited the US, they would be terrified to remain for more than two weeks for fear of being shot by someone in the streets. Or the impression that the US is 75% Caucasians and 24.9% Black. I didn't know how to even explain Jerry Springer to anybody.

So whenever I hear someone make generalizations - "this American guy said blah, blah, blah .." it's usually a convenient fabrication based on a common stereotype.

Granted, I will say our news tends to be heavy on domestic and local affairs rather than international - so there's at least that much truth.


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Michael Bergeron said:
Eastwood is NEVER peripheral and useless. :lol
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well, in that movie Burton was calling all the shots. It was interesting to see Eastwood in a subordinate role.
 
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dascoyne said:
if that's an actual conversation you had then you probably need to hang out with a better class of people.
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You're telling me! :lol I'm the type that always strikes up conversations wherever I go and since I'm half American I'm all over the States all the time.

I've met ignorant folks everywhere. It's not unique to the US.
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Totally agree. I find Canada to be not far behind to be honest. I don't know what it is though, most Americans I've met seem proud of it. It's depressing.

I do think that people often get a false impression of the people in the US because all they know is our television and films. Most don't realize how misplaced their impressions might be or know how they came to that conclusion. I lived abroad for several years and I commonly met folks who said, if they ever visited the US, they would be terrified to remain for more than two weeks for fear of being shot by someone in the streets. Or the impression that the US is 75% Caucasians and 24.9% Black. I didn't know how to even explain Jerry Springer to anybody.
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TOTALLY AGREE. US Television is so full of vacuous crap that it boggles the mind. Sad thing is that it's marketable and other countries are following. I'd hate to be represented by Honey Boo Boo...

So whenever I hear someone make generalizations - "this American guy said blah, blah, blah .." it's usually a convenient fabrication based on a common stereotype.
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Well, this one was 100% true (albeit paraphrased for brevity). That said you don't know me from a hole in the wall so understandable point.


well, in that movie Burton was calling all the shots. It was interesting to see Eastwood in a subordinate role.
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And it did make me wonder why they would even bother bringing someone that didn't speak German. :lol

But Eastwood held his own I think. :)

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Alright, just realized that I've derailed this. My sincerest apologies.

You know what else I'm tired of in films? Obvious product placement. :lol

James Bond does NOT drive a Ford. Not even a rental!
 
dascoyne said:
I like the 1964.5 Mustang so he gets a pass on the Ford for having good taste.
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I was talking more about the gratuitous shot of the grill in Casino Royale. ;)

You should have a bigger issue with him using German (and Italian) pistols.
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I actually quite like the PPK, and it looks sexy, so I'll give him a pass on that. Certainly a step up from the Beretta 418.
 
oh! just remembered one that really gets on my nerves!

"bilingual" characters ... played by actors that aren't! Sometimes the accents are HORRIBLE and yet they play like it's their mother language!?!?!!?!!?
 

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