J.J. Abrams Admits ‘Star Trek Into Darkness’ Had Too Many ‘Wrath of Khan’ Nods
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Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)
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Mola Rob
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Well a fat load of good that does now. To bad he doesn't notice these things before he completes a movie. :facepalm
RougeAvenger81
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I thought this thread died a long time ago. Isn't there a new thread for the new film yet?
And if those posts were about the new movie, they'd've been in it. As they're about Into Darkness...
--Jonah
--Jonah
What a complete and utter fool. :facepalm
For all Star Wars fans good luck!
The Mouse is ALREADY nervous about this film. :unsure
For all Star Wars fans good luck!
The Mouse is ALREADY nervous about this film. :unsure
Of course it will bring in money short term, some are worried of the film in the long run and a few were NOT happy that the film was given to that Hack.
Here's one more from me to him........
For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.
Hack. Ha. Okay. Would love to see what a great, visionary director would do with that script and schedule. This movie, while terrible, has GREAT direction. Bad, BAD friggin script, but technically there is nothing wrong with the direction.
His flaw as a director in this is that he should have pushed for more time to fix the story... but the studios have a schedule, and frankly, he was a director for hire on a project that was probably just distracting him from "The Force Awakens".
His flaw as a director in this is that he should have pushed for more time to fix the story... but the studios have a schedule, and frankly, he was a director for hire on a project that was probably just distracting him from "The Force Awakens".
this is so astoundingly wrong as to be laughable. No one at Disney is even slightly concerned for the film, JJ's directing, or the future of the franchise with other directors.
Solo4114
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My issue with the film was that it evidences the real tension -- and lack of a clear vision -- for what the studio wants this rebooted franchise to be. Reboots are tricky beasts anyway, but this one seemed to want to be both its own movie, and a call-back-fest/remake for Wrath of Khan, and it just...failed to effectively find that balance.
The original ideas that the film puts forth end up muddled and poorly developed because they're too busy building the film to also be "ZOMG IT'S THE WRATH OF KHAN ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!"
Sooo... you think a franchise that's survived Special Editions, the Prequal trilogy AND Jar Jar Binks is going to be brought down by JJ Abrams?
I think you give the man far too much credit
COULD have worked putting the old Trek episode and the Wrath of Kahn into a new retelling, but the screenwriters were so confused by what to do with it, they went with what I consider the BIGGEST of the movies sins... Which is having the opening sequence lead to the characters being put BACK into the position they started at in the first movie...
Kirk isn't in Starfleet... goes to a bar... gets a pep talk from the same guy. Goes to work, horrible event puts him back in control of ship... faces off against baddie in bigger ship...
I wanted to see growth from where we left off. The idea is to have your characters be different at the beginning of the flick than they are at the end. So I wanted to see where a new adventure from where we left off in the first flick (with Kirk having his own ship), but instead they just reset everything so we have to watch Kirk get his own ship AGAIN.
Also, Cumberbatch is friggin weird.
Solo4114
Master Member
Cumberbatch is awesome, but was criminally misused in this film. When he was some lunatic trying to drive the Federation to war (a la Star Trek VI), he was interesting and enigmatic. Then when he just turns out to be inexplicably-white-dude-Khan...it stopped being interesting.
The vibe I've gotten from the Trek films is that they're entertaining popcorn movies, but they're utterly disposable. There's nothing about them that, in my mind, warrants people watching them in years to come, outside of having them bundled in a movie pack or something.
They aren't bad movies, they're just wasted opportunities. Really, at the core, they're movies for people who don't care about movies. They're the movies you put on in the background while you cook, or to watch the spectacle of ships exploding, rather than the movies you sit down and watch and want to pay attention to.
In 20 years, people will remember them...but only dimly. Kinda like my recollection of Jurassic Park 3, which I seem to recall had kids flying around and pteranadons, and some big spinosaurus thing...but otherwise which I cannot for the life of me recall with any detail. Oh, wait. Sam Neil was in it, too, which was nice. They're just part of a cadre of "also-ran" films.
Meh.
The vibe I've gotten from the Trek films is that they're entertaining popcorn movies, but they're utterly disposable. There's nothing about them that, in my mind, warrants people watching them in years to come, outside of having them bundled in a movie pack or something.
They aren't bad movies, they're just wasted opportunities. Really, at the core, they're movies for people who don't care about movies. They're the movies you put on in the background while you cook, or to watch the spectacle of ships exploding, rather than the movies you sit down and watch and want to pay attention to.
In 20 years, people will remember them...but only dimly. Kinda like my recollection of Jurassic Park 3, which I seem to recall had kids flying around and pteranadons, and some big spinosaurus thing...but otherwise which I cannot for the life of me recall with any detail. Oh, wait. Sam Neil was in it, too, which was nice. They're just part of a cadre of "also-ran" films.
Meh.
Exactly, consume and dispose.
Star Trek deserves so much better than that.
Star Trek deserves so much better than that.
Of course not if George could'nt do it no one can! :lol
If it performs badly JJ will be shown the door PRONTO!
If it performs badly JJ will be shown the door PRONTO!
Sooo... you think a franchise that's survived Special Editions, the Prequal trilogy AND Jar Jar Binks is going to be brought down by JJ Abrams?
I think you give the man far too much credit
Oh there IS concern from a few there, as I said before a few were not happy with JJ being given the film.
If it performs poorly or pisses the fans off, what WILL be laughable will be how fast they give JJ the boot!
If it performs poorly or pisses the fans off, what WILL be laughable will be how fast they give JJ the boot!
Thankfully all I care about is if Rogue One can deliver. JJ Factor eliminated.
C'Mon Man, A great and Visionary Director wouldn"t have touched that Script with a ten foot pole! :lol
It's a shame Roberto, Alex, and Damon gave him the shaft AGAIN, but what are friends for?
It's a shame Roberto, Alex, and Damon gave him the shaft AGAIN, but what are friends for?
Some would say Peter Jackson is visionary, and he has said The Hobbit was a mess when it got before the camera... he would show up on set with no idea what was being shot... And I'm hearing Christopher Nolan went into Dark Knight Rises really understanding his brother's script...
Michel Gondry didn't get along with Seth Rogen, so both of them walked away not happy with "The Green Hornet".
Sometimes you get stuck in a bad production.
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