George secretly works for The Onion and/or is discreetly filming a reality show about jerking the fans' chains... 
(Uh-oh, can't stop getting caught up in this now)
(Uh-oh, can't stop getting caught up in this now)
George Lucas says Han never shot first, you were just confused
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I think Mic mighta gotten burned out from all the anti Star Wars thread. I can't blame Lucas if he's eccentric, if i had the much cash i would be too (well more so than I am now). The yes men and people surrounding him is the entire problem.
PHArchivist
Master Member
Bottom line is this - Lucas was NEVER the "creative genius" he was cracked up to be.
The success of Star Wars was a mix of luck, and a pool of talent from across all disciplines of the film-maknig process. This is because it germinated at a time when GL had to rely more heavily on others...
Preaching to the choir here, but we all know that the more independent he got, the worse his films were.
But even in the beginning, he was not a creative genius - more like a creative LUNATIC. His ideas leading into SW was voluminous, eecentric, unfilmable, chaotic - I could go on...
Were it not for those around him who corraled his creative lunacy (and at the same time offered their own input) SW would have been a stinking pile of you-know-what, and B-Movie fare at best.
Key elements where GL got lucky, or indirectly relied on - or direclty benefitted from - others:
--Williams ponying up to score the film
--The Huyck's salvaging of the script (at least dialogue) via their script doctoring
--Kurtz's push-back
--The quality of work (eventually) turned in by the nascent ILM
--The rich production design executed into reality by the British film crews
--That Jones agreed to voice Vader
The list goes on... Imagine SW if you took away just ONE of these elements.
Do it now.
Imagine the opening withOUT the most efffective film score of all time, and/or without the stunning effect of the SD coming overhead. What IF Jones passed on doing Vader? Just another deep voice would not have been the same...
Film is a collaborative effort. ALL good films are generally the result of a combination of key ingredients, as described above. I suppose at the time Star Wars was no different.
The difference was that there WAS an ecclectic combination of talent. A good and diverse "gene-pool" of talent that has since dwindled away as GL has taken more and more control over his work.
The success of Star Wars was a mix of luck, and a pool of talent from across all disciplines of the film-maknig process. This is because it germinated at a time when GL had to rely more heavily on others...
Preaching to the choir here, but we all know that the more independent he got, the worse his films were.
But even in the beginning, he was not a creative genius - more like a creative LUNATIC. His ideas leading into SW was voluminous, eecentric, unfilmable, chaotic - I could go on...
Were it not for those around him who corraled his creative lunacy (and at the same time offered their own input) SW would have been a stinking pile of you-know-what, and B-Movie fare at best.
Key elements where GL got lucky, or indirectly relied on - or direclty benefitted from - others:
--Williams ponying up to score the film
--The Huyck's salvaging of the script (at least dialogue) via their script doctoring
--Kurtz's push-back
--The quality of work (eventually) turned in by the nascent ILM
--The rich production design executed into reality by the British film crews
--That Jones agreed to voice Vader
The list goes on... Imagine SW if you took away just ONE of these elements.
Do it now.
Imagine the opening withOUT the most efffective film score of all time, and/or without the stunning effect of the SD coming overhead. What IF Jones passed on doing Vader? Just another deep voice would not have been the same...
Film is a collaborative effort. ALL good films are generally the result of a combination of key ingredients, as described above. I suppose at the time Star Wars was no different.
The difference was that there WAS an ecclectic combination of talent. A good and diverse "gene-pool" of talent that has since dwindled away as GL has taken more and more control over his work.
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Commander Max
Sr Member
But how long will be before he says that didn't happen.
Not to him.
See, he considers his movies (namely ANH) to go down in history as a "classic" alongside The Wizard of Oz, Gone with the Wind, Citizen Kane, Casablanca, etc. (maybe it is, maybe it isn't, not really my point). His vision is to catch it early (relitively speaking) and change it so that in, oh, say 50 years from now, the ONLY version of the movie anyone will know is the final one he's released. We we be sitting on the porch telling our grandkids how Greedo never shot. They will of course look at us and think, "riiiiiiiiiiight...the old man's lost it!"
That's GL's goal. To sweep the original version under the carpet and wipe it from history...which he's pretty much done. Now he has to work on our memories, cloud our minds so that we start second guessing ourselves. Once THAT's accomplished, he's met his goal. This is why he will never release an "original" version as this goes against everything he's working towards.
My recommendation? Get the original version from a laser disc rip. Keep it forever and keep the original alive before everybody forgets. :confused
Wow...that came off as a bit dramatic, didn't it? :lol
Difficult to say but apart from Darth Vader who (in my opinion) looks best in ROTJ - the film was a real let down. I don't think it would have been much worse than the actual release.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Yes, Ridley Scott gave us ALL versions, so not really the best example to pull out as a defense for altering movies. :facepalm
YES... where IS that man? Was he taken over by an evil clone or what? He's most definitely lost his way... so... where's his son to redeem him???
That article about his ex wife is fascinating. He really is just a broken hearted man who doesn't feel anything.
You notice he takes arguably the most emotionally intense moments and fumbles them. Vader rising was ridiculous.
Padme dying is a joke. What mother have you ever met that just had two perfect beautiful babies DIES of a broken heart. It don't happen.
And now he adds words to the most intense moment in all three movies when Vader turns on the Emporer. I get goosebumps thinking of that scene its so powerful and he crapped on it.
Its all so clear he is Data, a robot with no sense of emotion. He knows that you are supposed to be emotional he just doesn't understand why.
I actually feel sorry for him
You notice he takes arguably the most emotionally intense moments and fumbles them. Vader rising was ridiculous.
Padme dying is a joke. What mother have you ever met that just had two perfect beautiful babies DIES of a broken heart. It don't happen.
And now he adds words to the most intense moment in all three movies when Vader turns on the Emporer. I get goosebumps thinking of that scene its so powerful and he crapped on it.
Its all so clear he is Data, a robot with no sense of emotion. He knows that you are supposed to be emotional he just doesn't understand why.
I actually feel sorry for him
I couldn't agree more.
SciFiMuseum
Sr Member
The saddest part is that even though a lot of people don't like what he has done to the films time and again most of the 'haters' are going to go see all the 3D releases and give him more money proving that no matter what he does to these films, no matter how bad everyone complains and hates him for it...we will still pony the cash up and see them again. Even if everyone has 5 different copies in their living room. The only real way to show him that we won't negotiate with a film terrorist is NOT go see them in the theater OR buy them again on whatever format comes out. But that won't happen. Because it is the Wars.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
I'm not going to that 3D mumbojumbo.
firesprite
Master Member
Actually, Indy shooting the swordsman was Harrison adlibbing. There was supposed to be a big fight scene, but Harrison was sick. The change went over so well with the cast and crew (except the swordsman who was supposed to get his 15 seconds of fame), that it got put into the final cut.
I'm pretty sure he was kidding. :lol
Watch the scene (the ORIGINAL cut) - it's edited perfectly.
Han's position doesn't change from his, 'Yeah, I bet you have,' line to the shot of Greedo being hit and falling head first onto the table. The shots of Han removing the leather strip across the holster to release the blaster - it's all there.
Solo when introduced to us IS a threat to Luke and Obi - and not the benevolent character GL now makes him out to be.
George, for all you've given me over the years, I thank you, but unfortunately you're digging yourself a big hole here. Leave it and admit (for once) you're wrong.
You should be sorry for the mess, not Han.
Han's position doesn't change from his, 'Yeah, I bet you have,' line to the shot of Greedo being hit and falling head first onto the table. The shots of Han removing the leather strip across the holster to release the blaster - it's all there.
Solo when introduced to us IS a threat to Luke and Obi - and not the benevolent character GL now makes him out to be.
George, for all you've given me over the years, I thank you, but unfortunately you're digging yourself a big hole here. Leave it and admit (for once) you're wrong.
You should be sorry for the mess, not Han.
SciFiMuseum
Sr Member
That is what I am saying...he is not getting another $10+ from me to see the same exact thing I have copies of at home. Again.
WarPig
Sr Member
Been watching Book of Eli or reading Farenheit 451 of late? :lol
firesprite
Master Member
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