...and there are always people who insist the technology isn't as good.
Right up until the point that it is. Then you just sound like a fool.
It doesn't matter what industry or art form you are talking about.
I never said the tech wasn't good, but it is a solid fact that it takes more skill to make something entirely by hand and especially have it be GOOD without the 3d modeling in CAD and having a machine precisely carve it out for you without you having to do anything except lift a finger...literally. You sound like a fool to think otherwise.
Fact of the matter is that tech made replicas have their place. After all, who really wants to make an entire replica blaster rifle by hand filing metal to the right shape and using a skill saw and hammer to shape parts to do it? How would you possibly make enough of them to sell if that was your intention? Manufactured practices are there for that reason, the ease of making large quantities of the exact same item over and over again. Still, if someone showed they made an exact replica blaster using only very basic hand tools out of a chunk of steel...you really telling me that that persons skills wouldn't impress you as much as a mass produced machine made replica? if you say other I call you either a liar or just plain stupid.
It's not the same in regard to a piece being manufactured for commercial use, but both cases involved a replica that ended up being used as reference as if it were the genuine article.
Most of the dialogue concerned only the constellation. I believe only a few (or even one person, yourself) have remarked on the others, being the thickness of the "wings" as well as the detail above where the key would enter the lock.
Megatron didn't bring up the other details but even though I pointed them out, believe me this was always about more than just the constellation.
Alright, I'm Sooooo Tired of the "Technology is bad" feeling being displayed by some here.
*Snip*
When I first joined the RPF, I was one of few who had a laser. In my threads, I often heard "That's Cheating" or "That's not fair". I'm sure most of it was in jest but there was a definite current in that direction. Now, lasers are much more common and pretty much an expected part of prop making.
All you "tech is bad" people do realize that more and more propmasters are using things like CNC, Lasers, and 3d Printing, right?
I never said "Tech is bad". Tech is great. It's awesome. It's certainly not like I own no props whatsoever that were made on a CNC there guy. XD I am just saying that it takes more artistry and talent to do it without the CNC and 3D modeling.
They are all just tools, and simply because you have access to it, does not mean you have the talent to use it correctly. It does not mean you have the ability design the part correctly.
When Straker said "I will always hold in higher consideration that which was hand sculpted, hand molded and hand cast." Really? What if the prop I am replicating was designed in Zbrush, then 3d Printed? Should I go back to hand sculpting because "that's how they did it when I was a kid"?
Again, it's not the tech, it's the talent (or lack thereof) using it!
And.... off the soapbox.
I can't speak for Megatron on his feelings on the matter of tech but for me this is never about whether tech is bad or not.
I am going to address your comment to me however. The question you asked has no bearing what-so-ever on the statement I made that you quoted for a start, and the answer to your question is, no. Absolutely not. We all do what we can with the skills and tools at our disposal but you ARE going to have to get used to the fact that just because you can make the same thing in CAD and make it on a mill or CNC or 3D printer or some other fully automated machine does NOT mean you are as skilled as the person that does it all by hand without those tools. You are not. This isn't kindergarten and we are all not winners.
Now if you're curious to know, if you DID go back to doing it by hand sculpting it, and you asked if I was more impressed by that effort than by your previous CAD modeled and 3D printed version, I would indeed be even more impressed by what you made, even if it wasn't as precise as a machine made version. I will hold that piece you made in higher consideration at that point. Why? Takes more talent to do it that way. It takes more skill, more patience, more time to craft something by hand. More drive, more determination to hone your skills and be the best. I hate to use the violin example again but...what do you think will be worth more in years to come? A hand crafted, hand carved violin by a world renowned violin maker or a violin made by Fender in a factory? Here's a clue, it's not the factory made one. There's a reason for that and if you don't know what it is you never will understand my point of view or the reason why it's a fact that a Fender violin will never be as desirable as a Stradivari or an Amati. In you're mind, they're all just as good and in the real world, it doesn't work that way.
Thing is that everyone things that that means that I think that "the old ways is the best ways" ummm....no. This isn't an anti-technology thing you're hearing from me. I am just saying that I will always hold a craftsman that can still do the same thing by by hand that another person does in a computer in higher regard. If you do it all by computer, bless you. I'd probably still buy your stuff anyway if it's something I collect and doesn't suck, but I'll pay more and treat the item like gold if you did the exact same thing with just your hands and some basic tools.
Seems to me that there is a lot of unnecessary spite being directed against digital modeling. If the issue at hand is whether it is kosher or not to reference another member's work in your own work for commercial use, then whether the method of reproduction is a practical cast or a 3D print is irrelevant.
^ THIS!
It seems to me that the crux of the entire key disagreement is that the Constellation isn't an original design from Megatron, and the idea of putting the design from the older key on the back of the newer key is not unique enough for Megatron to claim ownership. The mistake Zenix made was copying the design directly off the Megatron key, since he reproduced the missing bar between 2 of the dots. I think he gets acquitted on a technicality.
Basically it comes down to, if you like the idea enough to use it, ask permission.
It's not just the constellation. 9_9 I do believe I pointed out all the things that Megatron put into that key that were his own design aesthetic that were transposed to the other replica in question...in pictures no less. The only "acquittal" here is that Megatron and Zenix sort of "settled out of court" so to speak.
Now. If other people want to argue with people that are ACTUALLY anti-technology, go for it. But from now on, please, PLEASE leave me out of it for I do love technology. Since Megatron, Zenix and the RPF Moderators have reached a conclusion, I bow out as I have repeated myself over and over again and if people STILL don't understand after that then I can't help yous guys. -Later.
