ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion - Three ANH Greeblies Found
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kpax
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
I was reading thru the thread and noticed it has gotten very long and may be hard to find all the great new material and answers we have discovered. Maybe we should figure a way to divide or catalog this thread for different "parts" of the DL-44 for details OR post a linked thread that will post all the new discoveries and "final" ideas that we will base our new parts on.
Maybe just a INDEX page to show people where to look for a particular answer. Ie: New Bull Barrel, Final thoughts, Posts 124-150
I don't know how to do this or if it is necessary . Just a thought.
Anyone have any other comparative measurements for the Mauser and or FH?
Should have some prelim pricing from one of the machinists this weekend.
I was reading thru the thread and noticed it has gotten very long and may be hard to find all the great new material and answers we have discovered. Maybe we should figure a way to divide or catalog this thread for different "parts" of the DL-44 for details OR post a linked thread that will post all the new discoveries and "final" ideas that we will base our new parts on.
Maybe just a INDEX page to show people where to look for a particular answer. Ie: New Bull Barrel, Final thoughts, Posts 124-150
I don't know how to do this or if it is necessary . Just a thought.
Anyone have any other comparative measurements for the Mauser and or FH?
Should have some prelim pricing from one of the machinists this weekend.
Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Deadbolt just needs to edit his first post and paste links to the posts in question.
Deadbolt just needs to edit his first post and paste links to the posts in question.
Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
I don't have access to any Mausers right now. My MGC upper receiver is in Germany and the rest of my DL44s are in storage. I do hope to buy a real C96 for coversion eventually though.
My flash hider was from the run of steel MG81 flash hider replicas done 3 or 4 years ago. I think it's the same as yours. There were quite a few made and they were sold both here and on ebay.
I don't have access to any Mausers right now. My MGC upper receiver is in Germany and the rest of my DL44s are in storage. I do hope to buy a real C96 for coversion eventually though.
My flash hider was from the run of steel MG81 flash hider replicas done 3 or 4 years ago. I think it's the same as yours. There were quite a few made and they were sold both here and on ebay.
kpax
Sr Member
Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
we are working on one right now! Along with all the rest of the parts needed-in metal!
The original is a mystery but was used in the film Sitting Target. Look back thru this thread and you will find some cool details.
we are working on one right now! Along with all the rest of the parts needed-in metal!
The original is a mystery but was used in the film Sitting Target. Look back thru this thread and you will find some cool details.
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Hirohawa
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Lichtbringer
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Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
As your own measurements were not quite correct, i had given you some measurements to improve your own scopemount.
But unless you have a original (proof) to take your own measurements, or go with other/old/wrong measurement, you can´t use the measurements given by me. They were taken from a made mount that was given to me, not a found one - so it could be considered as something like "recasting". The measurements were given to you for private use only, not to make numbers and sell them.
Sorry, i assumed that was already clear from my messages when we had our mail-conversation, long before it was said in this thread that you´ll try to offer parts for sale.
As your own measurements were not quite correct, i had given you some measurements to improve your own scopemount.
But unless you have a original (proof) to take your own measurements, or go with other/old/wrong measurement, you can´t use the measurements given by me. They were taken from a made mount that was given to me, not a found one - so it could be considered as something like "recasting". The measurements were given to you for private use only, not to make numbers and sell them.
Sorry, i assumed that was already clear from my messages when we had our mail-conversation, long before it was said in this thread that you´ll try to offer parts for sale.
deadbolt
Sr Member
Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Any measurements I've incorporated into the Model were measurements determined from reference photos over the years. It has allot of updating to do to accommodate the new reference pictures available, and nothing has been changed and probably won't be until we find some real Mauser measurements to base the mount on. Pat (kpax) hasn't sent me any measurements concerning the Scope Mount, just references and ideas concerning the layout and look of the Mount.
So there isn't any issue of recasting involved with any Models we have or will be working on. It's strictly reference and ideas going into these pieces. :thumbsup
Also I, and I 'm pretty sure Pat too, are doing this completely non-profit. Only the Machinist and Finish people will profit from this Project. This Project is to make accurate parts available for everybody who wants them, at the cheapest price possible. I plan on money coming OUT of my pocket for this if anything. :lol
Here's a thread I started a while ago of my old Mount Model:
http://www.therpf.com/f9/fresh-anh-dl-44-hero-scope-mount-3dmodel-101633/
-Carson
Any measurements I've incorporated into the Model were measurements determined from reference photos over the years. It has allot of updating to do to accommodate the new reference pictures available, and nothing has been changed and probably won't be until we find some real Mauser measurements to base the mount on. Pat (kpax) hasn't sent me any measurements concerning the Scope Mount, just references and ideas concerning the layout and look of the Mount.
So there isn't any issue of recasting involved with any Models we have or will be working on. It's strictly reference and ideas going into these pieces. :thumbsup
Also I, and I 'm pretty sure Pat too, are doing this completely non-profit. Only the Machinist and Finish people will profit from this Project. This Project is to make accurate parts available for everybody who wants them, at the cheapest price possible. I plan on money coming OUT of my pocket for this if anything. :lol
Here's a thread I started a while ago of my old Mount Model:
http://www.therpf.com/f9/fresh-anh-dl-44-hero-scope-mount-3dmodel-101633/
-Carson
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kpax
Sr Member
Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Hi Michael,
We have not posted any information on the scope mount so you may be jumping the gun (pardon the pun) so to speak. As with the barrel and sight, we intended to have full participation of RPF members to chime in to help get parts that everyone AGREED with.
I was under the impression that this was a GROUP effort and project and that everyone here, including you would like to have a full metal set of parts that are as screen accurate as possible.
Please keep in mind that my version was created from pics and guesstimates before we ever knew each other and I only checked my version against your casting which is not correct as now proven by the new Sitting Target stills I posted so you need not worry, none of your information will be used without your permission.
OUR new version, as Carson said is based on work he started last year, long before you and I ever corresponded. I had contacted him back then to see if he had gotten anyone to make the mounts from his 3d models because I did not want to have to machine my own! He didn't, so I did have to make my own.
I have spoken with Carson about the need to make this new version adjusted to AVAILABLE hardware, like the knurled screw I used from JW Winco. It is a 17.mm OD 1/4-20 knurled screw, which I used to size the rest of my scope mount based on the HERO pics by overlaying etc.
As you know I started my project as a gift for my nephew. I only need one, which I now have. (I'd love to replace the parts I have already made with these new PERFECTED parts but don't really need to) I am only interested in the FUN of discovering new things and was happy to be of some help with the Bull Barrel revelation.
Any NEW parts we make will need to be "sized" to fit all the models available, REAL, MGC and Denix which I am sure your particular sample does not do. Even the barrels can not be "cast" from an original Mauser as the part would not "fit" a Denix or MGC.
My machined parts are not the same as yours and are in fact substantially different as I needed to adjust the dimensions to fit my altered Denix and now adjusted again based on the new photos we got from ST and NR.
I checked again your email and dimensions and can assure you, my dimensions are different as you will see if we continue this development.
My mount is in fact based on and adjusted for a 22mm tube which I am using for the scope which as you know is bigger than the original so EVERYTHING needed to be scaled accordingly.
According to your email which I reread, your concern was that no one should "make a profit...without doing his homework" etc.
As Carson said, I do not intend on profiting at all on these parts and will gladly let someone else get them made or let each individual interested party have them made from the work Carson and I are putting in.
As I told Carson in an email, I intended to have everyone interested deal with the machinist directly if that is practical. I have no interest or need to make a few dollars from these parts. I, just like Carson and most people here only want the BEST parts we can get and I thought that working together we could all have the best replica possible.
To date I have put a lot of time into trying to HELP the RPF members have access to these new parts and have spoken to several CNC guys and metal casters to try to get some ball park pricing.
Frankly I think it may be too expensive to make these parts in the numbers estimated so the entire subject may me moot.
Carson is doing a great deal of 3d work solely to get the most screen accurate versions of these parts for all to use freely. Maybe we should have made that clear as well. Maybe we should thank him and encourage him as well!
As for your concern about re-casting: I would think that it could be considered "recasting" IF we were to use the model you had and made a mold and actually recast parts for sale and profit. We are not doing that of course and would not want to since your sample is not correct and not made of metal as these hopefully will be.
I hope you do not feel that I took advantage of your information. Your information was merely used as a check against mine. To reiterate, My hand/machine made pieces are not the same sizes as yours and did not want them to be exactly the same since your version, as well as all the other currently available parts are not correct including BT, MR and others.
Even the FHs are not really "good enough" which is why Carson is redoing the entire piece rather than merely "copying" it.
I am hoping we, together, can hash out the details to perfect all the parts we all need as we did with the barrel.
I am certain that the final pieces will be nothing like any part anyone here has to date. They should be as close to original as possible without the original to measure against.
I think I have been very forthright and open about any information I have had and shared freely to all interested RPF members all materials I have researched and created.
I welcome anyone with machinist friends like Lichtbrings, that may be able to make these parts for us to price them out when we get them perfected.
It has been my pleasure to offer what little help and observations I can to these efforts.
Here are some pics of mine. I am sure you can compare and see clearly it is not a "recast" of yours.
If anyone thinks I have been unethical or wrong in my dealings I will gladly bow out.
To be very very clear. Any parts we define and perfect here together are not for sale by either me or Carson or anyone else contributing to this discussion.
The purpose of this thread is to perfect and define the parts of the DL-44 as best we can and offer the opportunity for anyone wanting to "make their own" parts from the detailed models and files that may be generated from our joint team effort.
IF we all find that we would like to make a NON PROFIT run of these items we may choose to do so. For now, we are simply discussing and investigating details, with some success I might add.
I hope this addresses your concerns.
Hi Michael,
We have not posted any information on the scope mount so you may be jumping the gun (pardon the pun) so to speak. As with the barrel and sight, we intended to have full participation of RPF members to chime in to help get parts that everyone AGREED with.
I was under the impression that this was a GROUP effort and project and that everyone here, including you would like to have a full metal set of parts that are as screen accurate as possible.
Please keep in mind that my version was created from pics and guesstimates before we ever knew each other and I only checked my version against your casting which is not correct as now proven by the new Sitting Target stills I posted so you need not worry, none of your information will be used without your permission.
OUR new version, as Carson said is based on work he started last year, long before you and I ever corresponded. I had contacted him back then to see if he had gotten anyone to make the mounts from his 3d models because I did not want to have to machine my own! He didn't, so I did have to make my own.
I have spoken with Carson about the need to make this new version adjusted to AVAILABLE hardware, like the knurled screw I used from JW Winco. It is a 17.mm OD 1/4-20 knurled screw, which I used to size the rest of my scope mount based on the HERO pics by overlaying etc.
As you know I started my project as a gift for my nephew. I only need one, which I now have. (I'd love to replace the parts I have already made with these new PERFECTED parts but don't really need to) I am only interested in the FUN of discovering new things and was happy to be of some help with the Bull Barrel revelation.
Any NEW parts we make will need to be "sized" to fit all the models available, REAL, MGC and Denix which I am sure your particular sample does not do. Even the barrels can not be "cast" from an original Mauser as the part would not "fit" a Denix or MGC.
My machined parts are not the same as yours and are in fact substantially different as I needed to adjust the dimensions to fit my altered Denix and now adjusted again based on the new photos we got from ST and NR.
I checked again your email and dimensions and can assure you, my dimensions are different as you will see if we continue this development.
My mount is in fact based on and adjusted for a 22mm tube which I am using for the scope which as you know is bigger than the original so EVERYTHING needed to be scaled accordingly.
According to your email which I reread, your concern was that no one should "make a profit...without doing his homework" etc.
As Carson said, I do not intend on profiting at all on these parts and will gladly let someone else get them made or let each individual interested party have them made from the work Carson and I are putting in.
As I told Carson in an email, I intended to have everyone interested deal with the machinist directly if that is practical. I have no interest or need to make a few dollars from these parts. I, just like Carson and most people here only want the BEST parts we can get and I thought that working together we could all have the best replica possible.
To date I have put a lot of time into trying to HELP the RPF members have access to these new parts and have spoken to several CNC guys and metal casters to try to get some ball park pricing.
Frankly I think it may be too expensive to make these parts in the numbers estimated so the entire subject may me moot.
Carson is doing a great deal of 3d work solely to get the most screen accurate versions of these parts for all to use freely. Maybe we should have made that clear as well. Maybe we should thank him and encourage him as well!
As for your concern about re-casting: I would think that it could be considered "recasting" IF we were to use the model you had and made a mold and actually recast parts for sale and profit. We are not doing that of course and would not want to since your sample is not correct and not made of metal as these hopefully will be.
I hope you do not feel that I took advantage of your information. Your information was merely used as a check against mine. To reiterate, My hand/machine made pieces are not the same sizes as yours and did not want them to be exactly the same since your version, as well as all the other currently available parts are not correct including BT, MR and others.
Even the FHs are not really "good enough" which is why Carson is redoing the entire piece rather than merely "copying" it.
I am hoping we, together, can hash out the details to perfect all the parts we all need as we did with the barrel.
I am certain that the final pieces will be nothing like any part anyone here has to date. They should be as close to original as possible without the original to measure against.
I think I have been very forthright and open about any information I have had and shared freely to all interested RPF members all materials I have researched and created.
I welcome anyone with machinist friends like Lichtbrings, that may be able to make these parts for us to price them out when we get them perfected.
It has been my pleasure to offer what little help and observations I can to these efforts.
Here are some pics of mine. I am sure you can compare and see clearly it is not a "recast" of yours.
If anyone thinks I have been unethical or wrong in my dealings I will gladly bow out.
To be very very clear. Any parts we define and perfect here together are not for sale by either me or Carson or anyone else contributing to this discussion.
The purpose of this thread is to perfect and define the parts of the DL-44 as best we can and offer the opportunity for anyone wanting to "make their own" parts from the detailed models and files that may be generated from our joint team effort.
IF we all find that we would like to make a NON PROFIT run of these items we may choose to do so. For now, we are simply discussing and investigating details, with some success I might add.
I hope this addresses your concerns.
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Lichtbringer
Master Member
Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
I´m sure we want, but sometimes there are rules within this community.
I´m not convinced that the ST one is the used one, maybe, maybe not. Maybe modified, maybe unaltered, maybe another one from the same company with the variations the handmade stuff of this ages always has.
At least we know now that these scopemounts were available and it´s no custom made part. Or ist it, maybe like the bullbarrel? :wacko:lol
I know that, Pat. And i would see no harm if you would use any dimensions for private use.
Pardon? The original Hensoldt´s are 22mm. All of them, at least the ones i have.
Aye. That, and that i have given them to you for counterchecking your parts. I could, and would, not give you any permission other than for that, as i´m not the original creator of my scopemount.
Indeed. In fact i thank everyone of us who contributed to this thread.
Not really - recasting is a term that is also used here for unauthorized copies of any kind, not only resincasts via a mold. As long as the original creator had not given his OK...... it doesn´t matter if the part was measured by hand or 3d scanned, no matter if cast in a mold, 3D printed, cnced, or whatever...
That´s what they were given for.
The existing ones can´t/shouldn´t be copied. Even if the original creator is now banned here, copying them would still fall under the "recasting"-phrase, as they are fan-made replicas. That´s why i don´t give the measurement of mine, only a real one can provide the needed size in a "clean" way. And I have no real one.
That would be nice, but we always have to countercheck where we get the info, to avoid stepping on someones toes.
Pat, i know yours is handmade, and in no way a copy.
And that´s the way it should be handled, if many different persons contribute to a thing like this.
My concerns are easy - i´m not the creator of my scopemount, so i can´t give any OK to use any info from it. If it would be done, someone may jump on it - as i informed you accordingly in front of any use, i can now wash my hands in innocence, whatever happens.
I´m sure we want, but sometimes there are rules within this community.
I´m not convinced that the ST one is the used one, maybe, maybe not. Maybe modified, maybe unaltered, maybe another one from the same company with the variations the handmade stuff of this ages always has.
At least we know now that these scopemounts were available and it´s no custom made part. Or ist it, maybe like the bullbarrel? :wacko:lol
I know that, Pat. And i would see no harm if you would use any dimensions for private use.
Pardon? The original Hensoldt´s are 22mm. All of them, at least the ones i have.
Aye. That, and that i have given them to you for counterchecking your parts. I could, and would, not give you any permission other than for that, as i´m not the original creator of my scopemount.
Indeed. In fact i thank everyone of us who contributed to this thread.
Not really - recasting is a term that is also used here for unauthorized copies of any kind, not only resincasts via a mold. As long as the original creator had not given his OK...... it doesn´t matter if the part was measured by hand or 3d scanned, no matter if cast in a mold, 3D printed, cnced, or whatever...
That´s what they were given for.
The existing ones can´t/shouldn´t be copied. Even if the original creator is now banned here, copying them would still fall under the "recasting"-phrase, as they are fan-made replicas. That´s why i don´t give the measurement of mine, only a real one can provide the needed size in a "clean" way. And I have no real one.
That would be nice, but we always have to countercheck where we get the info, to avoid stepping on someones toes.
Pat, i know yours is handmade, and in no way a copy.
And that´s the way it should be handled, if many different persons contribute to a thing like this.
My concerns are easy - i´m not the creator of my scopemount, so i can´t give any OK to use any info from it. If it would be done, someone may jump on it - as i informed you accordingly in front of any use, i can now wash my hands in innocence, whatever happens.
deadbolt
Sr Member
Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Thanks for the tip! I will do that. :thumbsup
-Carson
I already considered using measurements from a replica to be possible recasting in my post on the previous page, that is why I have been waiting for some Real measurements to arise from someone who has one before anything is final. Also allot of those measurements are also incorrect for an accurate replica, proportion wise.
http://www.therpf.com/f9/anh-hero-dl-44-discussion-118186/index17.html#post1739664
Also considering the measurements were derived from an original and made out to be when they were sold, using real measurements isn't really recasting, their supposed to be original measurements.
Either way, I would prefer using Original measurements for anything Identified over any measurements at all.
-Carson
Thanks for the tip! I will do that. :thumbsup
-Carson
I already considered using measurements from a replica to be possible recasting in my post on the previous page, that is why I have been waiting for some Real measurements to arise from someone who has one before anything is final. Also allot of those measurements are also incorrect for an accurate replica, proportion wise.
http://www.therpf.com/f9/anh-hero-dl-44-discussion-118186/index17.html#post1739664
Also considering the measurements were derived from an original and made out to be when they were sold, using real measurements isn't really recasting, their supposed to be original measurements.
Either way, I would prefer using Original measurements for anything Identified over any measurements at all.
-Carson
kpax
Sr Member
Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
I don't have an MR scope mount to compare but from the images I have seen it looks pretty good, but lacks the new details Carson and I have seen in the ST stills. It may be close to the original but we will never know. I am sure MR had to guesstimate the sizes as well which is why using theirs as a model would only mean copying a mistake in my opinion.
I estimated the size of mine based on the amount of frame recess (above the trigger guard) area on either side of the mount and first penciled it in place on the frame and then sized it according to the knurled screw I was able to get. I think it is close, and since we don't have and prob. never will have an original mount it will be the best we can do.
After taking some pics I noticed it looked too big when overlayed with the hero so I cut it down and soldiered it. (Yes you can soldier aluminum but I don't recommend it!)
The rings I took from real ring sizes and shapes from similar period German and Russian rings of the same dia. and details etc. This also brings together the entire design since it has to "look right". If the rings are x size you can extrapolate the rest of the sizes by simply dividing the section by the known size.
Now that I have this model I can refine the size and round off the numbers to make sense. Ie: instead of 20.011mm you make it 20mm. I am sure, like most things industrial, the item was more or less even, and logical in the layout.
I don't have an MR scope mount to compare but from the images I have seen it looks pretty good, but lacks the new details Carson and I have seen in the ST stills. It may be close to the original but we will never know. I am sure MR had to guesstimate the sizes as well which is why using theirs as a model would only mean copying a mistake in my opinion.
I estimated the size of mine based on the amount of frame recess (above the trigger guard) area on either side of the mount and first penciled it in place on the frame and then sized it according to the knurled screw I was able to get. I think it is close, and since we don't have and prob. never will have an original mount it will be the best we can do.
After taking some pics I noticed it looked too big when overlayed with the hero so I cut it down and soldiered it. (Yes you can soldier aluminum but I don't recommend it!)
The rings I took from real ring sizes and shapes from similar period German and Russian rings of the same dia. and details etc. This also brings together the entire design since it has to "look right". If the rings are x size you can extrapolate the rest of the sizes by simply dividing the section by the known size.
Now that I have this model I can refine the size and round off the numbers to make sense. Ie: instead of 20.011mm you make it 20mm. I am sure, like most things industrial, the item was more or less even, and logical in the layout.
kpax
Sr Member
Re: ANH Hero DL-44 Discussion
Thanks for the reply Michael.
I agree with your concerns. I am an artist and would not like my work copied without permission. We all need to be sensitive to this issue.
This thread was started to PERFECT the parts of the DL-44 which in part assumes that the existing available parts have varying degrees of inaccuracies which we are all trying to address and revise because we find them lacking. The vary act of doing this is creating NEW material and parts.
I hope we can continue to develop these parts together as a group. More eyes, more observations equal better details.
As I said before, we will never know the actual dimensions of the HERO parts unless someone someday finds it. The HERO is not available for study and even that may have even used several different /similar parts if any were damaged during production etc. (ie: Greedo) so the best we can do is choose a "time frame" for the prop to replicate as has been said before. In addition the parts from the original HERO would probably look wrong if put on a Denix or MGC without modification even tough they were the REAL parts.
It seems that most here prefer the HERO as known in the promos and stills available with or without a sight and or antenna etc.
I may be different than some here in that I don't put that much stock in the REAL dimensions, since every Mauser (Denix, MGC or REAL) is different and that parts that look good on the hero REAL version may be out of place on another.
As I said, I needed to adjust the parts based on comparing the Hero photos to photos of my model and just like the FH, the ones we have, while pretty close and good are not "screen accurate" in appearance which is why I am remaking mine to match the photos, not particularly a REAL MG81 which as Lichtbringer said were made in many factories and all were slightly different but the one that is shown on the HERO.
In my view, once this is done, any dimensions from the original reproduction (a contradiction in terms?) will be changed and therefor NEW information.
Is this a fair assessment?
I believe my FH to be a reproduction of a REAL vintage MG81 and was not made by anyone in the RPF and not made as a prop and was indeed made for a REAL, firing MG81 which is why I am comfortable sharing the measurements.
I believe all the working dimensions should be as
close as we can get to the HERO if that was a real MG81 and we have no reason to doubt it at this point, remembering the fact that many factories were used so there were differences etc. even a vintage MG81 would not LOOK like the SW HERO.
The cosmetic dimensions and details are another story. As stated before, as it is now I noted several areas of modification we need to make as did Carson.
The Straight knurling, bullet knurling, recess between, and I believe the holes on the HERO are slightly smaller than mine.
Again, the ones I bought as REAL FHs, are great for shooting but not for cosmetically replicating the SW prop.
I think all the parts will be treated this way to get the "look" and feel first and then measure up that "look" to replicate.
Real is great, but we also need to be practical if we want the best we can get.
Sure, every scratch can be replicated, I have done this in my profession, but we need to draw the line somewhere so we can practically get it done without costing thousands of dollars per part.
I will post some pics of my development of parts and proofs for everyone to study and assess.
Please feel free to comment.
Thanks for the reply Michael.
I agree with your concerns. I am an artist and would not like my work copied without permission. We all need to be sensitive to this issue.
This thread was started to PERFECT the parts of the DL-44 which in part assumes that the existing available parts have varying degrees of inaccuracies which we are all trying to address and revise because we find them lacking. The vary act of doing this is creating NEW material and parts.
I hope we can continue to develop these parts together as a group. More eyes, more observations equal better details.
As I said before, we will never know the actual dimensions of the HERO parts unless someone someday finds it. The HERO is not available for study and even that may have even used several different /similar parts if any were damaged during production etc. (ie: Greedo) so the best we can do is choose a "time frame" for the prop to replicate as has been said before. In addition the parts from the original HERO would probably look wrong if put on a Denix or MGC without modification even tough they were the REAL parts.
It seems that most here prefer the HERO as known in the promos and stills available with or without a sight and or antenna etc.
I may be different than some here in that I don't put that much stock in the REAL dimensions, since every Mauser (Denix, MGC or REAL) is different and that parts that look good on the hero REAL version may be out of place on another.
As I said, I needed to adjust the parts based on comparing the Hero photos to photos of my model and just like the FH, the ones we have, while pretty close and good are not "screen accurate" in appearance which is why I am remaking mine to match the photos, not particularly a REAL MG81 which as Lichtbringer said were made in many factories and all were slightly different but the one that is shown on the HERO.
In my view, once this is done, any dimensions from the original reproduction (a contradiction in terms?) will be changed and therefor NEW information.
Is this a fair assessment?
I believe my FH to be a reproduction of a REAL vintage MG81 and was not made by anyone in the RPF and not made as a prop and was indeed made for a REAL, firing MG81 which is why I am comfortable sharing the measurements.
I believe all the working dimensions should be as
close as we can get to the HERO if that was a real MG81 and we have no reason to doubt it at this point, remembering the fact that many factories were used so there were differences etc. even a vintage MG81 would not LOOK like the SW HERO.
The cosmetic dimensions and details are another story. As stated before, as it is now I noted several areas of modification we need to make as did Carson.
The Straight knurling, bullet knurling, recess between, and I believe the holes on the HERO are slightly smaller than mine.
Again, the ones I bought as REAL FHs, are great for shooting but not for cosmetically replicating the SW prop.
I think all the parts will be treated this way to get the "look" and feel first and then measure up that "look" to replicate.
Real is great, but we also need to be practical if we want the best we can get.
Sure, every scratch can be replicated, I have done this in my profession, but we need to draw the line somewhere so we can practically get it done without costing thousands of dollars per part.
I will post some pics of my development of parts and proofs for everyone to study and assess.
Please feel free to comment.
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