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SmilingOtter · Apr 15, 2014

crabra comander said:
So what would be the point of killing Jofferey before consummation? More to gain from him getting to seal the deal...opcorn

If Margaery were later to be found with child, it would muddy the waters again, with multiple claimants to the throne.

The Mad Professor · Apr 15, 2014

SmilingOtter said:
If Margaery were later to be found with child, it would muddy the waters again, with multiple claimants to the throne.

That and who in their right mind would want to carry that inbred psycho's spawn?

Solo4114 · Apr 15, 2014

The Tyrells are well positioned enough that they don't need to marry Margaery to Joffrey. They just need her to marry "a" king. Meanwhile, the Lannisters need the Tyrells and their finances and military forces. So, Joffrey dies and everyone "wins."

blakeh1 · Apr 15, 2014

crabra comander said:
So what would be the point of killing Jofferey before consummation? More to gain from him getting to seal the deal...opcorn

a couple reasons...( I put in spoiler tags just in case)

Co-conspirators..

Lady Olenna wants to spare Maegary from having to spend her life with the monster that Joffery is, and any potential harm that might come to her from him. Remember that conversation she had with Sansa where they asked her what kind of person Joffery was and when she said he was a monster, Lady Olenna comments something like "oh...that's too bad". I don't think Lady Olenna was too fond of the matchup from the start. It was more of her son's idea to marry his daughter to Joffery and his aspirations related to the power from joining his family to the king's

Plus there is always another Barathean queued up Margaery can be wed to instead.

Petyr just wants to stir things up as much as possible and would benefit from the potential chaos that could ensue which fits his plans. You'll be seeing more on those later this season

red4 · Apr 15, 2014

I've heard Olenna doesn't exist in the books. If that's true, who kills Joffrey in the books?

The Mad Professor · Apr 15, 2014

red4 said:
I've heard Olenna doesn't exist in the books. If that's true, who kills Joffrey in the books?

She is in the books, and she and Petyr Baelish orchestrated Joffrey's death there too.

Olenna Redwyne - A Wiki of Ice and Fire

DuneMuadDib · Apr 15, 2014

You heard wrong. Ros and Locke don't exist in the books, but those are about the only notable characters unique to the show.

DuneMuadDib · Apr 15, 2014

blakeh1 said:
a couple reasons...( I put in spoiler tags just in case)

Co-conspirators..

Lady Olenna wants to spare Maegary from having to spend her life with the monster that Joffery is, and any potential harm that might come to her from him. Remember that conversation she had with Sansa where they asked her what kind of person Joffery was and when she said he was a monster, Lady Olenna comments something like "oh...that's too bad". I don't think Lady Olenna was too fond of the matchup from the start. It was more of her son's idea to marry his daughter to Joffery and his aspirations related to the power from joining his family to the king's

Plus there is always another Barathean queued up Margaery can be wed to instead.

Petyr just wants to stir things up as much as possible and would benefit from the potential chaos that could ensue which fits his plans. You'll be seeing more on those later this season

There's the added bonus of:

There were limits to how much Joffrey could be manipulated. Margaery could manipulate him better than Cersei could, but the little psycho was still headstrong. Tommen's younger and pretty much the opposite of Joffrey so he'd be much easier to pulls the strings of. Joffrey fought every time someone wanted him to do something, Tommen will blindly sign anything put in front of him.

red4 · Apr 15, 2014

DuneMuadDib said:
You heard wrong. Ros and Locke don't exist in the books, but those are about the only notable characters unique to the show.

Ah. Thanks.

The Mad Professor · Apr 15, 2014

DuneMuadDib said:
You heard wrong. Ros and Locke don't exist in the books, but those are about the only notable characters unique to the show.

To be fair, Ros does exist in the books, as she's a composite character of multiple prostitutes featured in the novels.

Ros - Game of Thrones Wiki

Also, Locke is a "condensed version of the character Vargo Hoat" from the novels.

Locke - Game of Thrones Wiki

Monkey67 · Apr 15, 2014

Was petyr even at the wedding? I don't recall seeing his mean mugging face around or I am going blind.

Thanks to those that used the spoiler tags / warnings.

kibosh · Apr 15, 2014

I must have missed something. When did Roose teach Theon his new name, Reek?

PotionMistress · Apr 15, 2014

kibosh said:
I must have missed something. When did Roose teach Theon his new name, Reek?

That wasn't Roose Bolton, that was his illegitimate ******* son, Ramsey Snow. First episode of the season, he tortures Theon continuously until he's a broken man and will do whatever Ramsey says so that he won't torture him again.

The Mad Professor · Apr 15, 2014

kibosh said:
I must have missed something. When did Roose teach Theon his new name, Reek?

Roose didn't.

Ramsey Snow did. He did it in "Mhysa".

kibosh · Apr 15, 2014

PotionMistress said:
That wasn't Roose Bolton, that was his illegitimate ******* son, Ramsey Snow. First episode of the season, he tortures Theon continuously until he's a broken man and will do whatever Ramsey says so that he won't torture him again.

Right. Ramsey. Sorry. The first episode of this season? I don't remember that. How could I have missed it??? :confused

The Mad Professor · Apr 15, 2014

kibosh said:
Right. Ramsey. Sorry. The first episode of this season? I don't remember that. How could I have missed it??? :confused

First episode of last season. Season 3.

We're currently in Season 4.

The torture took place over the entire season, with the Reek moniker coming in during the last episode of season 3.

SmilingOtter · Apr 15, 2014

Monkey67 said:
Was petyr even at the wedding? I don't recall seeing his mean mugging face around or I am going blind.

No, Littlefinger has taken a trip up to the Vale to put the moves on Lyssa Arryn.

Solo4114 · Apr 16, 2014

PotionMistress said:
That wasn't Roose Bolton, that was his illegitimate ******* son, Ramsey Snow. First episode of the season, he tortures Theon continuously until he's a broken man and will do whatever Ramsey says so that he won't torture him again.

I like the phrase "illegitimate *******" to describe him. At first blush, it appears redundant. But when you think about it, it's pretty accurate.

Riceball · Apr 16, 2014

PotionMistress said:
That wasn't Roose Bolton, that was his illegitimate ******* son, Ramsey Snow. First episode of the season, he tortures Theon continuously until he's a broken man and will do whatever Ramsey says so that he won't torture him again.

The funny thing about that is that in the books we don't introduced to "Reek" until book 5, Theon is MIA in all of book 3 and book 4 doesn't cover the North.

Monkey67 · Apr 16, 2014

SmilingOtter said:
No, Littlefinger has taken a trip up to the Vale to put the moves on Lyssa Arryn.

Ok, thanks cause I recall home shipping out a while back. Then people are petyr this & that as if he was there.

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