Lucasfilm to Strike Back March 7th - Lucasfilm vs Andrew Ainsworth

Thanks for the info Dpp 1978



115. For the reasons given by Lord Walker and Lord Collins in their combined
judgment, I agree that the appeal fails on the first issue (sculpture) and succeeds on
the second (justiciability of a claim for infringement of a foreign copyright). I
express no view about the application or scope of the doctrine of act of state in
relation to issues of validity of foreign intellectual property rights which (unlike
copyright) may be said to depend upon state grant.


Not sure how it goes from here?
 
Man...still calling it "Utilitarian" is gonna hurt film makers and prop companies. Comparing something as impractical as a Stromtrooper helmet to an ACTUAL military item is a reach, in my opinion. Those Trooper buckets serve no other purpose than in that film.

Did I read the "Justiciability of Foreign Copyright Claim" part in that he CAN be tried in British court for violating American copyright law now? If that is the case, he is going to get raked over the coals.
 
Exactly.

Does it mean that US copyright law is directly justiciable in UK courts or does it simply mean the UK court will enforce the US judgment?

Sounds like it, I studied german law and I think this is very weird. While it's no copyright breach in the UK, it still can be enforced because it's a breach in the USA?? That's not really my sense of justice.

have to ask my wife, she's´specialized in Intellectual Property.
 
Man...still calling it "Utilitarian" is gonna hurt film makers and prop companies. Comparing something as impractical as a Stromtrooper helmet to an ACTUAL military item is a reach, in my opinion. Those Trooper buckets serve no other purpose than in that film.

The decision was upheld because it was of a type where the judge at the court of first instance (Mann J) had discretion. As his interpretation of the law was sound and his application was reasonable (if unpopular in these parts) the decision had to stand.

It could only be overturned if he erred in law or was wholly unreasonable in his application of it.

this passage from para 47 seems to warn against too wide an interpretation of the scope of the decision, at least to me.

"...a judge, even one very experienced in intellectual property matters, does not have some special power of divination which leads instantly to an infallible conclusion, and no judge would claim to have such a power. The judge reads and hears the evidence (often including expert evidence), reads and listens to the advocates’ submissions, and takes what the Court of Appeal rightly called a multi-factorial approach. Moreover the judge has to give reasons to explain his or her conclusions."


This states that when looking at any case of this type the judge must look at all factors, not just apply a blanket exemption to copyright to all props or costume items. Any decision must not only be reasonable, it must be thoroughly reasoned. If it isn't it can be thrown out on appeal.

Did I read the "Justiciability of Foreign Copyright Claim" part in that he CAN be tried in British court for violating American copyright law now? If that is the case, he is going to get raked over the coals.
That's how it appears. I'll be honest in that I'm no expert on conflict of laws, it is quite a rarified specialism. But it does appear that Lucasfilm or any licensee can take AA back to court and sue him for breach of US copyright, and they have a decided case which they can rely on to show he has in fact done so.

My reading is that they can only sue for acts committed in the US, which would limit their recoverable damages to the £30,000 or so in US sales he made, and limited other damages based on his conduct. They certainly won't get the $20,000,000 they were granted in the US court. In the UK punitive damages are limited in scope and quite rarely granted.

It'd probably be in his best interests to settle out of court ASAP.

Still it should be enough to wipe the smile off his face, for which I'm happy.
 
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Not a fan of AA or his products by any stretch of the imagination.
Saying that, I'm pleased the man wasn't ruined and he and his family were not put out on the streets by GL for the sake of a plastic helmet.
Yeah yeah, I know, it's down to principle. Which is exacly my point.
Take all his profits by all means, but not the roof over his and his kid's heads or the shirt off his back.
 
Re: Oh dear Mr Lucas....

Wow, I dont agree with the ruling but he went the distance and fought tooth and nail. I will give him that much.
 
Not a fan of AA or his products by any stretch of the imagination.
Saying that, I'm pleased the man wasn't ruined and he and his family were not put out on the streets by GL for the sake of a plastic helmet.
Yeah yeah, I know, it's down to principle. Which is exacly my point.
Take all his profits by all means, but not the roof over his and his kid's heads or the shirt off his back.

The man is 62, his kids must be in their 30s and moved out long ago. I am truely sorry to see this lying scumbag get away on a technicality in british law. I am sure his lawyers won't be cheap.
 
The man is 62, his kids must be in their 30s and moved out long ago. I am truely sorry to see this lying scumbag get away on a technicality in british law. I am sure his lawyers won't be cheap.

Fair enough. But even men of 62 can have young children. There's no 'must be' about it.
EDIT: I'm sure GL's lawyers didn't take into account the impact it would have on his life *if* he had been forced (pardon the pun) to pay $20m.
For him, impossible to pay, for GL's empire (again, no pun intended) a drop in the ocean.
All I'm trying to point out by my first post is the perspective of this whole affair, and not taking sides either way.
 
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So any film prop/costume which can be argued as functional and is 15 years or older, is theoretically fair game to openly sell in the UK? No license required?

Also, does this ruling hurt the UK film industry, in terms of major studios not wanting to make films here due to copyright law?

Just trying to grasp the implications of this.
 
Fair enough. But even men of 62 can have young children. There's no 'must be' about it.
EDIT: I'm sure GL's lawyers didn't take into account the impact it would have on his life *if* he had been forced (pardon the pun) to pay $20m.
For him, impossible to pay, for GL's empire (again, no pun intended) a drop in the ocean.
All I'm trying to point out by my first post is the perspective of this whole affair, and not taking sides either way.
Frankly, I could not possibly care less about his family. The man tried to thumb his nose at US copyright law and will now be bitten in the ass over it. Not hard, but the point applies. He did not care about the care and feeding of his family, so why should you?
 
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