Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Post-release)

To me it sounds like,.....'destroying the gate has worked!!,.....receiving transmission from Scariff!!.......they did it!!'

Not surprised,....but elated

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I can see that - triumph, success, elation.

I am totally nitpicking. To my ear, the reading of that line had an out-of-left-field "what the what?" vibe to it, and would have worked better if they had no idea "Rogue One" was down there and had no reason to expect a transmission of any kind from the surface.
 
Man, it wont let me open it unless I subscribe. Thats lame. I wouldnt say Star Wars struggles in China, didnt TFA do decent there? Maybe its just Rogue One. ;)

Sorry about that, I was able to open it on Twitter but when it links they block the article. Let me try again.

“Star Wars” continues to struggle for respect in the world’s second-largest movie market.
“Rogue One,” Walt Disney Co.’s latest global hit set a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, opened to a decent $31 million over three days in China, its final major country. Last year, “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” grossed $59.6 million in its first three days and was considered somewhat disappointing in relation to its success everywhere else in the world.
The “Rogue One” opening in China is well below other movies that have fared worse than it in the rest of the world, such as last year’s “Doctor Strange,” “San Andreas” and “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.”
With $477 million in the U.S. and Canada and $914 million world-wide, “Rogue One” is close to being the No. 1 movie released last year domestically and is so far No. 5 on a global basis. The top four films, “Captain America: Civil War,” “Finding Dory,” “Zootopia” and “The Jungle Book,” are also from Disney, reflecting that company’s box office dominance owing to its collection of popular franchises.


On a percentage basis, the Chinese opening of “Rogue One” in comparison to “The Force Awakens” is roughly equal to many other foreign markets. But Disney has made a big effort in the past year to spark “Star Wars” enthusiasm in China, which is expected to surpass the U.S. in total box office in the next few years. The franchise isn’t as well known there as most of the rest of the world because few people saw the first six films.
Over the long term, rising interest among Chinese consumers in “Star Wars” will be important to the brand’s success on the big screen and in consumer products. Disney plans to release a new “Star Wars” movie every year going forward.
But despite efforts such as the casting of local stars Jiang Wen and Donnie Yen in prominent roles, a splashy premiere held at a stadium built in Beijing for the 2008 Olympics, and a Chinese language theme song, most people in China didn't appear to regard “Rogue One” differently than any other Hollywood picture.
“It was OK,” said Li Chao, 28 years, who went to see the movie with a friend in Beijing. “The visuals of the planets and the special effects are pretty good.”
A Disney executive didn’t respond to a request for comment.
On its fourth weekend in U.S. and Canadian theaters, “Rogue One” was in a virtual tie for the top spot at the box office. Both it and “Hidden Figures,” a new film about African-American women who helped launch the U.S. space program from 21st Century Fox Inc’s Twentieth Century Fox, grossed almost $22 million.
—Lilian Lin in Beijing contributed to this article
Write to Ben Fritz at ben.fritz@wsj.com
 
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Thanks for posting it so I can read it.

Maybe we should not cater to China with our movies then, because they obviously dont know whats cool. "The visuals of the planets and special effects are PRETTY GOOD?" See, that drives my point home exactly. Li Chao can **** off. I think the long term of a products success shouldnt depend on a foreign country, no matter what country it is.
 
Thanks for posting it so I can read it.

Maybe we should not cater to China with our movies then, because they obviously dont know whats cool. "The visuals of the planets and special effects are PRETTY GOOD?" See, that drives my point home exactly. Li Chao can **** off. I think the long term of a products success shouldnt depend on a foreign country, no matter what country it is.

I agree with that in principal, the quality of the story is of utmost importance, but if you are in the "business" of making movies based on franchises like Marvel or Star Wars, you have to address what will soon be the largest consumer market for your product in the world. We don't exist in a vacuum and their are very real and profound economic realities which studios like Disney have to address.
 
Thanks for posting it so I can read it.

Maybe we should not cater to China with our movies then, because they obviously dont know whats cool. "The visuals of the planets and special effects are PRETTY GOOD?" See, that drives my point home exactly. Li Chao can **** off. I think the long term of a products success shouldnt depend on a foreign country, no matter what country it is.

The Movie ALWAYS suffers when they pander to china.
 
Good thing they "pandered" to that audience.

Did you even read the article? They freaking tried! China still didnt care for it. So instead of adding those elements JUST FOR CHINA, maybe we shouldnt do that. Anyone could have been Chirrut. Anyone. And for me, it wouldnt have taken the immersion away. Maybe I would have seen it 4 times in the theatre instead of just one. Hell, I saw TFA 4 times...
@Bryancd I get what youre saying, I totally understand that, but what do you think the landscape will look like? The big studios will make movies that cater to china even more than now? So more mindless action/plot, no more comedy, and lets face it, acting in general? There arent subtitles in action sequences, people are saying stars dont carry the movies anymore, so with this kind of thinking, what do you think will happen in lets say 10 years? Im not trying to troll, Im honestly asking. Im starting to believe what Spielberg and the other big name directors said, there is too much of a gap for the studios, its either colossal success, or a monumental failure. They pump way too much money into these films, and then they HAVE to make over a billion just to stay a float. Side note, a lot of these studios say they they spend the same budget on the film as they do on the marketing. Do you guys see that? I feel like that kind of money is ridiculous to spend on marketing given the current climate of cord cutting, youtube etc. How do you think they will address this? More Chinese elements in further movies?

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It took long enough to get there, I bet a lot of people watched the bootleg version:lol.

This too! China is notorious for that stuff, as a country! :lol
 
@Snikt, what @squirk said above is exactly right. When the nationlaity of a character is meaningless then that affords an opportunity to cast an ethnicity that has either been underrepresented or is designed to have a specific market appeal. Appealing to various markets isn't a binary thing. It's not "either the story is good or it's a shameless pander destruction porn film". It's far more nuanced. Disney casting two Chinese actors was an easy call. Jury is still out if their attempt to court a Chinese audience has helped grow the audience in China for this franchise. They will continue to chip away, looking for formats, actors, stories, that can move that needle. But R1 is closing in on $1B globally, so there is no reason to throw out the current film making format to try and raise Chinese box office as it is still in in it's infancy. This is a work in progress.
 
R1 is at 914 million so far, China isn't a big factor anymore for it's success given it had a production budget of 200 million, but it goes to show you can't count on China one way or the other even for a big franchise.
 
R1 is at 914 million so far, China isn't a big factor anymore for it's success given it had a production budget of 200 million, but it goes to show you can't count on China one way or the other even for a big franchise.

Well total Chinese box office still trails US and Europe by a lot in total adjusted dollars. BUT, in a decade that won't be the case and that is why they are important. If SW can gain traction in China over the next few years it's a huge win for the studio.
 
You know what's crazy? Ten years ago we were led to believe that pirating was going to bring down Hollywood.

Now that doesn't seem to be a concern anymore and it looks like Hollywood is it's own worst enemy. These movies got too big to fail

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Appealing to various markets isn't a binary thing. It's not "either the story is good or it's a shameless pander destruction porn film". It's far more nuanced. Disney casting two Chinese actors was an easy call.

I'll take it a step further. Disney casting two really good Chinese actors was an easy call.

It's not like Disney said "Hey, we need to appeal to the Chinese market. Let's pluck two random 'Asian-looking' guys off the street and toss them into the mix as token representation". They hired venerated talent every bit as qualified and skilled as Felicity Jones, Diego Luna, Alan Tudyk and Riz Ahmed.

Chirrut & Baze were just as well-acted as every other main character, and their last scenes were just as touching as anything between Jyn & Galen or Jyn & Cassian.
 
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I'll take it a step further. Disney casting two really good Chinese actors was an easy call.

It's not like Disney said "Hey, we need to appeal to the Chinese market. Let's pluck two random 'Asian-looking' guys off the street and toss them into the mix as token representation". They hired venerated talent every bit as qualified and skilled as Felicity Jones, Diego Luna, Alan Tudyk and Riz Ahmed.

do you think they would have bothered though if they didn't have to worry about china?
it just comes off as sad that they are bending over backwards for this country.

and i bet the actors probably don't care for the fact that this is how they get ahead either.
 
do you think they would have bothered though if they didn't have to worry about china?
it just comes off as sad that they are bending over backwards for this country.

and i bet the actors probably don't care for the fact that this is how they get ahead either.

Thats a very parichial point of view and entirely divorced of reality.

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I just hope they pay more attention to the story, characters, and design than what is happening in China. As a fan I could care less what China thinks about it. They're going to make plenty of money on it either way.

They did, R1 is a terrific story your experience not withstanding.
 
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do you think they would have bothered though if they didn't have to worry about china?
it just comes off as sad that they are bending over backwards for this country.

and i bet the actors probably don't care for the fact that this is how they get ahead either.

My point is that, whether or not the film was going to be distributed in China, Yen and Jiang are solid casting choices in their own right. The fact that they are Chinese did not distract from their performances or the film at all..

China is a consideration. That's just the way it is, and Disney/LFL would be stupid to ignore it and not be thinking about the future. But as @Bryancd said, if the roles can be played by any nationality, what is wrong with broadening our horizons by casting top-notch actors from other parts of the world?

And it's not like Disney had to search high and low to the four corners of the earth to find talented actors from China. So, I don't see it as "bending over backward" at all

As for how Yen and Jiang feel about their casting, I would not presume to act like I know their thoughts.

I am surprised that no one crabs about Disney pandering to the Danish market with the casting of Mads Mikkelsen. Probably plenty of American or British actors who could have played that role, right?
 
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