Age of Ultron Captain America shield handles

TheFrankTurk · Jan 29, 2015

I think the gist of this contraption is to make all the quick-connects Cap seems to make with the shield more believable. Notice the back harness hasn't changed from TWS, so the idea of magnetic holders is just carrying over to the arm-mount.

The problem, of course, is that this is movie magic: there's no way to make non-powered magnets that small (or even magnets with a power supply which are that small) to hold up a traditional blank that weighs about 6.5kg as well as the straps Valor has made in the past.

I am completely in love with the pictures from the set. as someone who has been looking at magnetic solutions for the back harness for almost a year, I think it's a pipe dream to think you can get a magnet that will deliver 55kg pulling power with a surface area less than 25cm^2 which will then release the shield when you want to change hands or whatever.

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Valor -- it's the Tony Stark solution, obviously.

Lord Magneto · Jan 29, 2015

Valor I'm excited to see you tackle this project

Valor · Jan 29, 2015

I'm no Tony Stark

To be clear. I don't plan on tackling this. For a couple reason. First, the production process is a bit extreme for my shop. But secondly. I don't think I like it. I fell in love with the original bracket handle system. Such a simple, elegant solution. And totally practical. This new approach might grow on me. But not so far.

Lord Magneto said:
Valor I'm excited to see you tackle this project

Tengu3 · Jan 30, 2015

As an alternative to the expensive and difficult process of trying to work these new grips in metal, not to mention the weight, could they maybe be made of vac-u-formed plastic forms, reinforced inside with fiberglass matting and resin?

Or, less Old School, how about 3-D printing them?

HaNDiCaPZaCH · Feb 2, 2015

Been using a very similar Handle and Magnet system with my proof-of-concept wonderflex shield for a while now... Really cool to see the possibility of it in the movie! I have been planning to 3D print an entire shield for some time... with these new images, looks like I might upgrade my model to the new version

Tengu3 · Feb 3, 2015

I, for one, would be very interested to see photos and a description of your system if you wouldn't mind posting them, please.

HaNDiCaPZaCH said:
Been using a very similar Handle and Magnet system with my proof-of-concept wonderflex shield for a while now... Really cool to see the possibility of it in the movie! I have been planning to 3D print an entire shield for some time... with these new images, looks like I might upgrade my model to the new version

HaNDiCaPZaCH · Feb 5, 2015

Tengu3 said:
I, for one, would be very interested to see photos and a description of your system if you wouldn't mind posting them, please.

Thanks for your interest! And no problem, I've got a teaser video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpXcqtJVdm8&list=UU5uY_pHlqt57_XrLcUXVZMA ) and a stealth suit thread that talks/shows a bit about it. I will soon be filming a more in depth explanation with my pros and cons so far

Tengu3 · Feb 6, 2015

Dunno if this helps any, but I started off by searchin for the largest images I could of the new Hot Toys Cap figure for AoU that showed the two segments of the shield brackets with the new retention points. Here theyare:

Then I separated them and rotated them and stuck them down on a generic image of a Cap shield interior and produced this.

Best I could do for now until some better source material comes along.

Valor · Feb 7, 2015

Really cool. Thanks.

steamshovel · Feb 10, 2015

If you look closely at the back of the shield from the photo, you'll see that the forearm section has something that resembles a beer bottle opener. If we start to look at the forearm connector as more of a clip that slides into the forearm piece (Almost like a beer bottle opener), that might be more the direction that the reality of the shield attaching? He still is using the handle that folds out. And it looks like the shield can be left-handed, or right-handed since both handles pop out from behind the shield.

I was also thinking if it were a rubber shield, the weight would not be too great so what about creating a small electromagnet in the forearms? I know the battery would die relatively briefly, but we all try to carry our shield on our backs most of the time anyway, yeah?

Chris Fields · Feb 11, 2015

Hey all, great work so far. .... I've already been working on this... a few items from me personally

1) I've always prefered a hard mount handle (at least the grip part) over the leather strap. Having used shields in stage combat and sparring combat, a hard mount grip over a leather strap provides so much more control. My personal shields usually have a hard mount grip like below.

The bulk of the new design is kinda silly... if that were real, it would weigh a ton. So I'm doing my own version of the folding hard mount grip that isn't so crazy bulky

For the forearm side, I think I make the blue forearm strap like the actual prop shield uses. Again, alot less bulky

I think Tony tries to help Steve out and makes a new harness for him. He can either use the magnets, or the handle and strap system (maybe that blue strap pops out of one of those bulky new pieces??)

Like Valor mentioned, if it's just magnets.. then how would steve use the shield when he's in plain clothes? I don't think it's just magnets only.

I like this... mainly because I'm tired of doing my leather straps... lol...

STARL0RD · Feb 12, 2015

Kevin Gossett said:
Craft foam won't be strong enough to support the weight of the shield.

That is what most people would think however, In my shield I did the First Avenger style straps and I folded the craft foam hot glued it and it holds beautifully!

Valor · Mar 20, 2015

There's a good view of the gauntlets in the latest TV spot. They way the shield LEAPS onto his arm make me think it's supposed to be more than simple magnets.

Tengu3 · Mar 20, 2015

Photoshop to clean it up a little for detail and clarity.

Valor said:
There's a good view of the gauntlets in the latest TV spot. They way the shield LEAPS onto his arm make me think it's supposed to be more than simple magnets.

Tengu3 · Mar 20, 2015

Another attempt at it. Perhaps sharper, with more detail, but don't go at all by my color fathfulness. I was bringing it up from a very muddy dark original.

Tengu3 · Mar 20, 2015

And from the same TV spot, an image of the detail on the back of the shield.

Screen cap from TV spot 3 - SHIELD underside full.jpg

E60flip345 · Mar 20, 2015

Looks like we are gonna need some strong magnets!

Valor · Mar 21, 2015

Very interesting Up until the TV spot image, the "clips" on his wrist and forearm had been empty. Leading me to believe they were clips that hooked into a protruding part of the new shield system. Here it looks like there is clearly a small hexagonal piece in the clips. They even seem to be glowing slightly. Magnets? Stark Technology? Coolness?

Tengu3 said:
Another attempt at it. Perhaps sharper, with more detail, but don't go at all by my color fathfulness. I was bringing it up from a very muddy dark original.

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drakeprimeone · Mar 21, 2015

Someone mentioned in this thread or another about using bicycle pedal type clips. Being a cyclist myself and knowing how easy and sturdy spd clips are, I really believe that's how this shield is supposed to function. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ngSBfLgKhA go to about 3:46 to see the mechanics. The shield looks to use the same principle.

The design also looks to be ambidextrous with the appropriate handle folding out depending on whether you are left or right handed and minimally the forearm section "clipping in" for stabilization.

EDIT: Maybe the one on the back of the hand is for quick acquisition and the handle is meant to fold out if you want a more solid control of the shield

Tengu3 · Mar 24, 2015

If anyone, like me, is better at adapting existing items than building from scratch, these handles might be of interest. The company has locations around the world.

This is the best approximation I've found so far in a recessed, hinged, aluminum handle that might be used to approximate the hand grip handle on Cap's new bracket system.

handle - flip up hinged aluminum - larger handle - essentracomponents.co.zahinged-recessed-handl.jpg

handle - flip up hinged aluminum - essentracomponents.co.zahinged-recessed-handles.jpg

http://www.essentracomponents.co.za/hinged-recessed-handles

Here's the shield, for reference, or, well, at least the best view I've got of the shield mechanism and handle, stowed and in use.

AoU - Cap - SHIELD back NEW HANDLES - PS for clarity.jpg

AoU - Cap - Hot Toys - shield folding handle.jpg

I realize the legs of the handles I found are 90 degrees, but the ones on the shield are obtuse. I hope to find better, but these were good enough I thought I'd bring it to the group's attention.

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