WIP Lukes Hero macros Done..ish

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I know there are a few macro build threads but i am going a slightly different route and figured i would post some of what i've seen during my research. Maybe some of you can use it. I'll post my research first then move onto the build. I am still waiting for 1 of the Kalimars a Bell camera to arrive but i can start.

Alright i have to start somewhere so I'll start with the big knob. Here is a comp i made to try to id the thing.
I can just barely see both the curvy lines from the Seagull knob center and the ring numbers on the screenused set. I'll be going this route.

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This next one is a bit more subjective, i have never been sold on the Bell 220 knob being used for the center of the big knob. I would expect to see some form or red or maroon in screencaps and in bright scenes they look grey and dark scenes they look blackish but never really black. Have not seen any redish tint at all. There is a Bell 252 that has the grey knobs. As soon as mine comes in I will verify and if they look good i will be using it instead. The pics i have seen of this camera are either mid level exposure or high light. The high light ones make the knob look white but at mid level it has a nice grey to it.

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Here are the side knobs. After looking at the stunt model it looks like they didn't mount the small seagull side knobs flush on it. This makes sense since when you mount them flush they sit too low. If you drill the hole so that it only goes to the threads it looks correct. I should have mounted the upper knob even closer to the edge but i was scared so it stays now. Other than that i think the height is correct.

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Pitty all these have to be ruined. The Seagull i got has a busted locking ring on the big knob so i got the Kalimar Reflex TLR (which is a Seagull copy) for the locking ring.

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more to come...
 
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I received my Bell 252 today and did some knob sanding and test fits. Here is a shot of it. In some screenshots the knob is dark like the Bell 220 knob and in some shots it looks grey. I think the grey is closer to the Bell 624 in the pic but it seems like the grey varies between even the same models. I think i am going to stick with this 252 knob. I now need to find a way to mount it to the eumig. What do you think?

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I received my Bell 252 today and did some knob sanding and test fits. Here is a shot of it. In some screenshots the knob is dark like the Bell 220 knob and in some shots it looks grey.

I think the crossbar is more likely darker. Notice that the crossbar looks like the same color as the ring around it (which we know is black). The crossbar is also not centered in many pics which is why people use the entire Bell Howell 220 knob. There's a screw or something on the back that if you remove it the bar flops around matching positions in screen shots.

As for the Seagull knobs - I agree they're mounted high like you have, but there was only one Seagull used - not enough knobs for both Hero and stunt props. Some of those knobs have to be Kalimars.

I'll post some HD screen caps later for better reference.
 
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Yes i am not sold on the 252 either. The 624 has a darker grey knob but i have not found one to try. I may end up just painting it to the right color.


I've tried to use process of elimination and don't know where they got the extra 2 small knobs from. If they only had 2 Kalimar SLRs that donated the hero lenses and 2 waist level finders then those 4x small knobs should be on the transition boxes of both the stunt and hero, correct? I know they are on the heros, but they are pulled up. I cannot confirm in any of my pics that they are for sure the same ones on the stunt transiton box but if so then all the Kalimar small knobs are spoken for. I am pretty sure at least one of the hero small knobs is a Seagull and one of the stunts small knobs is a Seagull. So that would cover the 2 small knobs from the Seagull 4. We know the stunt lens cameras don't have the knobs and i know what the grey plate on the stunt comes from and the lens plate also and neither of those have any small knobs. If the transition boxes are found items then thats 2 places the small knobs could be and also the hero lens plate source if there is one. I think they look like the same knobs so i just went with Seagull knobs on both. I needed a new ring for my Seagull big knob so i bought the Kalimar TLR which is a Seagull copy. I will be using those small knobs on my stunts since i have them. Unless of coarse we ID them.
 
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... and did some knob sanding and test fits ...
Sounds dangerous.

I love this kind of research though, great sleuthing! Looking forward to the HI Res caps.

I just picked up a "Star Wars Science - Optical Command Unit" for my son's upcoming birthday, but haven't looked at it to see if it is more accurate than the sub assault.

Please continue! :D
 
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Sounds dangerous.

I love this kind of research though, great sleuthing! Looking forward to the HI Res caps.

I just picked up a "Star Wars Science - Optical Command Unit" for my son's upcoming birthday, but haven't looked at it to see if it is more accurate than the sub assault.

Please continue! :D


The grey 252 knob is taller than the red 220 knob so i needed to sand the back down and then sand the width down so it would fit in the black ring and close to the lens. I think if i grind the Bell knobs metal backing down it will fit in the whole assy and the 2 screws may be able to be used to hold it to the Eumig. I need to stick it in my little lathe and turn it down. Maybe tonight.
 
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I assembled the knob like this. I may paint the bell knob at some later date but for now i will leave it. I'm pretty happy with it. I wonder if either of the ANH Tie greys match the paint they used to paint the lenses.

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Can anyone with good reference pictures confirm or deny what i am seeing here? It looks like they used a small sheet metal bracket to hold one side of the lens plate on. It looks like it is pop riveted on to the lens plate and then held to the Eumig by same mechanism holding the big knob on. There isn't one of these brackets on the mystery box side, only the knob side. The mystery box side has the unscrewable viewfinder lens and i wonder if thats what they used on that side.

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Can anyone with good reference pictures confirm or deny what i am seeing here? It looks like they used a small sheet metal bracket to hold one side of the lens plate on. It looks like it is pop riveted on to the lens plate and then held to the Eumig by same mechanism holding the big knob on. There isn't one of these brackets on the mystery box side, only the knob side. The mystery box side has the unscrewable viewfinder lens and i wonder if thats what they used on that side.

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Looking at the picture to the top right I'd say the dial surrounding the Bell & Howell is also gray and not black!
 
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Can anyone with good reference pictures confirm or deny what i am seeing here? It looks like they used a small sheet metal bracket to hold one side of the lens plate on. It looks like it is pop riveted on to the lens plate and then held to the Eumig by same mechanism holding the big knob on. There isn't one of these brackets on the mystery box side, only the knob side. The mystery box side has the unscrewable viewfinder lens and i wonder if thats what they used on that side.

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I'm beginning to think that the plate holding the lens is a found part.
 
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Am I the only one who cannot see the pics ???
 
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I had a problem with my photobucket account and lost some pics and i have not fixed them.
 
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What makes you think so? Because of it's shape and size exactly matching the front of the Mamiya I would say it was custom made for it. Seems to be exactly 10mm thick too and looks like it's either aluminium or as ZK thinks, clear acrylic.

Where a large area of paint is missing (when one of the lenses fell off) you can what appears to be the perfect reflection of one of the screws.

I'm beginning to think that the plate holding the lens is a found part.
 
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Wrong macro KB, he is talking about the heros. My stunts are in another thread.
 
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What makes you think so? Because of it's shape and size exactly matching the front of the Mamiya I would say it was custom made for it. Seems to be exactly 10mm thick too and looks like it's either aluminium or as ZK thinks, clear acrylic.

Where a large area of paint is missing (when one of the lenses fell off) you can what appears to be the perfect reflection of one of the screws.

Blimey for all my searching for the body part of the Stunt, and here it is!!
 
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I had a problem with my photobucket account and lost some pics and i have not fixed them.

That´s the reason why the RPF offers free photohosting for all members. It´s sad to see that this interesting research thread now is without pics :(

Michael
 
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I'll try to restore them tonight. I'm sure i have the pics still, i just need to re-upload them. The links should still be good once i do.
 
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Thought I's add a little here:
Notice how not all 660's are 100% accurate. In the film the lenses have the knobbly bit on the focus ring.
However, not all 660's have them, I'm guessing this was a feature of older models of the same.
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Notice how the one on the right actually has two. The one on the left doesn't actually have drilled and tapped fittings for these bits.
 
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