About nine years ago, I spoke with Tim Smythe, the propmaker from the Wild Wild West TV show. He was making replicas of his sleevegun from the show. his site is no longer available. Is there anyone around here that makes sleeveguns like that?
About nine years ago, I spoke with Tim Smythe, the propmaker from the Wild Wild West TV show. He was making replicas of his sleevegun from the show. his site is no longer available. Is there anyone around here that makes sleeveguns like that?
Yeah, I've always wondered how the mechanism worked on that thing. Any pics?
Nick
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Hi guys!!![/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]I spoke with Tim Smythe a few years ago and obtained a few of his WWW sleevegun replicas for myself as well as for some friends.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]His replica is NOT the same as the one that was used on the show. He said this version, pictured below, is his 3rd version of the sleevegun mechanism as he has improved his design as he made them.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]The rear release lever has his name engraved unto the part. I replaced the leather straps and added western style buckles as Tim originally made these with velcro which, while easier to strap on, didn’t retain the “Old West” feel of the show.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Additionally, the bungee cords were replaced with springs for the same reason.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]I had to customize part of the metal bar so it would properly hold the MGC replica deringer. In fact, the Derringer grips had to be customized as well to fit properly. [/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Tim had said that he wasn’t too keen to continuing to make these as he was retired with a nice pension from the film industry as well as from his military career in the Marine Corp.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]All in all, it’s a great piece and it’s nice to have a prop made by the original propmaker from a great TV series.[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Shown with original velcro straps, Bungee cords and MGC replica Derringer[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]Shown with new straps with buckles, spring cords and blank-fire Derringer[/COLOR][/FONT]
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Intriguing.
Does the mechanism extend and retract, or does one have to reset it manually?
How does the mechanism work? Where is the release button?
Always wanted one as a kid. Would keep a toy Derrringer up may sleeve and whip my arm to get it to come out into my hand, only thing is rather than my catching it, the Derringer would more often fly accross the room
looks like the double spring is so the gun is pulled out rather than pushed out, so the spring wraps back on itself....
Very cool!!!!!!!
Here is mine, also from Tim Smyth via Ed. The gun is released from the retracted position by the brass bar. You press your arm against your side which depresses the bar and releases the catch that normally keeps the gun in the retracted position. The bar functions as a release lever and is, IMHO, pretty clever. I used a blank gun on my setup. When I first received it, I briefly considered using the mechanism with a small .25 cal. Beretta as a backup gun for work, then thought about how many times I point at people, shake hands, reach for donuts, etc. and dismissed the idea.
Once released, the mechanism must be manually reset. You retract the extender and set the retaining catch (the brass bar). The photos show the setup with the bungee cords off the rollers.
I am in the process of converting from velcro to buckles, and from bungee to springs. Going for sort of a steam punk look using buckles, brass fittings, etc.
Here is a photo of a different design for a sleeve gun.
Last edited by eltee; Jan 10, 2008 at 11:48 AM.
Ed, so I get from your message that Tim is no longer making these. That is a shame. But the original intent of my message was to inquire if anyone made something similar to this. I would love some insight on how the actual mechanisms work on it. How is the gun released?ed-209 said:
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Hi guys!!![/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]I spoke with Tim Smythe a few years ago and obtained a few of his WWW sleevegun replicas for myself as well as for some friends.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]His replica is NOT the same as the one that was used on the show. He said this version, pictured below, is his 3rd version of the sleevegun mechanism as he has improved his design as he made them.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]The rear release lever has his name engraved unto the part. I replaced the leather straps and added western style buckles as Tim originally made these with velcro which, while easier to strap on, didn’t retain the “Old West” feel of the show.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Additionally, the bungee cords were replaced with springs for the same reason.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]I had to customize part of the metal bar so it would properly hold the MGC replica deringer. In fact, the Derringer grips had to be customized as well to fit properly. [/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Tim had said that he wasn’t too keen to continuing to make these as he was retired with a nice pension from the film industry as well as from his military career in the Marine Corp.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]All in all, it’s a great piece and it’s nice to have a prop made by the original propmaker from a great TV series.[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]TheSpyBoys.com[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Shown with original velcro straps, Bungee cords and MGC replica Derringer[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]Shown with new straps with buckles, spring cords and blank-fire Derringer[/COLOR][/FONT]
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I seem to remember on this forum someone created a ractchet stake spring mechanism similar to the one used in Angel.
Any ideas on how we can transfer this design into the "assassin's creed" hidden blade?
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Unfortunetly, I believe Tim may have stopped producing these. [/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]In the meantime, I’ve been trying to remember other TV/Movies that featured hidden sleeve mechanisms. This is what I can remember:[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Wild Wild West – original & remake[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Garrison’s Guerillas[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Taxi Driver[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]The Marathon Man[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Desperado[/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Red Heat[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Here are a few other photos I found in my files.[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Couple of photos from The Wild Wild West[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]One of the originals by Tim Smythe[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]Another version[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]Two fan made versions[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]The mechanism used in RED HEAT[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]Scene from Taxi Driver[/COLOR][/FONT]
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You guys rule!
I've been looking for these kinda pics but didn't think of just asking on the ole' RPF.
Nick
I'll add two more.ed-209 said:
The Sheriff of Fractured Jaw (1958). The first western to be filmed in Spain. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052191/
Parasite (1982) A laser sleeve gun! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084472/
In two episodes of "Farscape" a woman had a retractable blade in here arm. Does this count as a [FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]hidden sleeve mechanism? True, there is no sleeve, but.....
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and another-
Blade 2 had some retractable wrist blades seen in a few shots- namely in the fight scene on the scaffolding in the church.
Based on the pics from Tim Smyth's creations, does it look like he fabricated the parts himself or reworked found parts? I am speaking mainly of the brass parts (the end pieces look like they may be reworked knurled pieces). I am trying to make my own and was thinking are starting with a small drawer sliders as a base.
Tim definetly made all the brass parts. They are not reworked from existing parts. The drawer sliders is EXACTLY what you need to start with.SchubroProductions said:
I was surprised to see how simple the mechanism was to make this function.
Ed
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]You’re right!!! Blade definetly had a spring-loaded EDTA injector hidden on a mechanism under his sleeve. In fact, I was associated with Factory-X at the time the film came out and had the opertunity to examine the original prop. It was a very complicated prop and it operated by the wearer putting on a ring, which had a wire attached to it, when the hand was bent at the wrist, it released the locking mechanism that released the blade. I believe the idea was copied from a much earlier design for a teargas sleeve gun.[/COLOR][/FONT]CustomCreations said:
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]I also remembered another we can add to our list: Maverick with Mel Gibson had a gambler with a similar sleevegun as the WWW version.[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]LICENSE TO KILL: Henchman Dario with sleeve mechanism that sprang a dagger into his hand.[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]MAVERICK: Riverboat gambler with Derringer on sleeve gun[/COLOR][/FONT]
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Very cool stuff and pics guys. Love the "Wild, Wild West" series and that is a very cool prop to have.
P.S. Add Darth Sidious in ROTS to the list. Or was it the Force that he used to pop out his hidden sleeve lightsaber? I wonder if they had to make a mechancial device to have it pop out on set?
Don't forget that english dude from Hudson Hawk with the retractable blades that came out of his sleeve.
And don't forget "Marathon Man"- the evil Nazi dentist used a spring loaded sleeve blade a couple of times....
[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=white]Zell from Marathon Man asks “Is it safe?” Obviously…it’s NOT![/COLOR][/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]Kroenans arm blades from Hellboy[/COLOR][/FONT]
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