Aug 22, 2007, 8:42 PM - Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Still have to play around with the color, but here is the first printed test from my Hobbit map.
For those who don't know, the original map was drawn by J.R.R. Tolkien and appeared in the book The Hobbit. This map became Bilbo's and he added it to his personal map collection. In the film Fellowship of the Ring, Gandalf notices this map on a table and pauses to study it and remember the adventure at the Lonely Mountain at the conclusion of The Hobbit.
As a Tolkien fanatic, I was thrilled to see this map make an appearance in the film. I had to have a replica. The only one I've seen was made by Indy Magnoli. He drew his with quill and ink. I'm not nearly that brave, so I used Photoshop.
It's interesting to note that the film map differs from Tolkien's original in many details. Particularly the mountain and Smaug are more stylized (or less) than Tolkien's. Also a cool tidbit I found during my research is that two different prop maps were used in the film. Originally, they made a map that replicated Tolkien's more precisely. Whenever you see Ian McKellen actually in the frame with the map, he's holding the first version.
This shot is cropped and rotated 180 degrees from the film. Notice the mountain and Smaug match Tolkien's. Later I'm guessing Peter Jackson decided to make the mountain more realistic and the dragon more majestic. So, all the closeup shots use the version two map. I love finding stuff like that.
Aug 22, 2007, 9:23 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Nicely done. I have Hard Cover 3rd printing set of LoTR and each one has a huge foldout map, Middle Earth, The Shire, and Gondor/Mordor I believe... I haven't looked at them in a while.
Aug 22, 2007, 10:01 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
One element I'm considering deleting are the words "Thror's Map" at the lower left. I'm wondering if that was a label for the book illustration and not really intended to be a part of the actual map. In the screencap of the version 1 map above, I can't see that text on the prop. Opinions??
Aug 22, 2007, 11:10 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
I agree that "Thror's Map" is referring to the illustration.. it seems pretty stupid to have something like that actually written ON the map.
It would be like going through my glovebox and writing "Mike's Map" on everything.
Aug 22, 2007, 11:40 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Yeah, I'm really thinking that should be removed. I'll probably do that before the next color test.
Aug 23, 2007, 2:29 AM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Excellent work. I think it would look more authentic without the "Thror's Map" writing on it.
Aug 23, 2007, 8:09 AM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Beautiful map. Nicely done .
Anyway, the Thror's Map text needs to go. It was for the reader's benefit. In the real world, Thror would know it was his map and wouldn't need to put his name on it (unless he lived with some jerk roommates who would always take his stuff without asking).
I really need to get myself one of those one of these days. I think it would go well with my ME map from Adam.
Aug 23, 2007, 8:46 AM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Great job guys! Is the folding in your map, jheilman, part of the Photoshop as well?
Kylash -- nice calligraphy
Aug 23, 2007, 12:48 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Excellent work! I've done sketches of this map and know how detailed it has to be.
Aug 23, 2007, 7:13 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
No, the weathering is Photoshop, the folds are genuine. I overdid the folds on this first one. Hit them too hard with the sandpaper I think. Also the damage in the upper left needs refining. But, it's only the first test.
Aug 23, 2007, 7:31 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
You need a jerk roomate to enhance your ME map?
Aug 23, 2007, 7:42 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Nicely done hand-drawn map. I haven't attempted real calligraphy since I did our wedding invites many years ago.
Thror's label is off and I've worked on intensifying color a bit. You never know how what the screen shows will translate until you finally see it. Should be close now.
Aug 23, 2007, 8:36 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Aug 23, 2007, 9:13 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Cool, I was meaning to look this guy up since I first noticed him in "The Making of the Movie Trilogy" book.
Thanx for the link.
One nice thing about the pic of this map on his site, because the color/contrast is so exaggerated, it's easy to see the weathering locations. May have to make some mods from this reference.
Last edited by jheilman; Aug 23, 2007 at 10:08 PM.
Aug 24, 2007, 5:47 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
I emailed Daniel Reeve about the multiple versions of this prop and received a prompt reply. I asked why and when the different versions were made.
I first made a large version of this map, exactly as per Tolkien's original. The Props Master said to me "Perfect! Now, make it again for me, twice! One this big, and another one this big", indicating two smaller sizes. So I made two more, one for the big Bag End set and one for the small one, both maps smaller than my first one. Then Peter decided he'd like to do a close-up, and he wanted a livelier dragon and more realistic-looking mountain, so I made version number four, the one you see in the close-up.
Aug 29, 2007, 2:28 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Great job on the map.
I made one of these a few years ago using brown and red Ink with brush.
I also used watercolors, coffee and sandpaper for the weathering.
I went a step further and also added the moon runes with glow in the dark ink.
Ill post pics later.
Aug 29, 2007, 3:22 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Isn't Daniel great? He's a true artist AND a gentleman.
Aug 29, 2007, 9:47 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
DARTH SABER said:
Aug 30, 2007, 1:00 AM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Here ya go -
(The bottom image is a screencap from the real map)
Aug 31, 2007, 11:02 AM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Dec 30, 2012, 7:09 AM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
I actually have that middle earth map on my wall, I'm staring in awe at it again now...
Dec 30, 2012, 10:41 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
Is this some kind or record for reviving an old thread. Over 5 years ago?
Dec 31, 2012, 3:21 AM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
nah, ive seen one of 9 years
Dec 31, 2012, 1:43 PM - Re: Thror's Map - film version from LOTR
What usually happens is that a new member is using the SEARCH function, and doesn't realize the date on the thread. Which looks like that is what happened here. Heck, even I have accidentally bumped an olllllld thread. Back when Larry _____ was on the board.
But no harm no foul. I hope!
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