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    Mar 8, 2013, 5:01 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #26

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    What about re-purposing a bread box? The kind that has the pull up/down lid? Something like this or this? Then you could just cut your hole in the lid, place grooves in the insides of the lid and slide your glass in.
    Another good idea! I've never seen breadboxes that look like that before.

    The size of the unit is going to be somewhat dependent on the size of the blade though. I'll probably want to wait until I actually have it in my hands to work out how big I want its stand to be and where it needs to be supported. But once I know that, I can definitely consider re-purposing a breadbox.
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    Mar 8, 2013, 5:08 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #27

    Pixels said: View Post
    Yeah, I actually like that. I was looking at the warm white ones in particular.
    I'm thinking of getting a bunch of regular LEDs, and diffused flickering LEDs, and maybe some strip LEDs, and breadboard and when I actually have the glass and the sticker I can experiment and work out:

    a) What angle the glass needs to be at
    b) What type/strength of light looks best
    c) What type of lights/mix of LEDs I need to use
    d) Where the light needs to be, in order to put the shadow where I want it.

    The where is most important because I want it up on the wall, not only directly behind the unit, and since I'm particular I think I'll need to test it cause it'll depend on where the unit is too and how close it is to a wall, etc etc! The size of the sticker is going to depend on the size of the glass, the size of the glass is going to depend on the size of the unit, and that is going to depend on the size of the blade.

    I'm considering a mixture of flickering LEDs and regular. I also like that using multiple flickering LEDs would make the flicker sort of random since they won't be on the same timing, but I think that'll look pretty cool. I guess I want a slightly candlelit church type feel for it. If it's possible (it'll depend where I can fit LEDs and still have the desired amount of light, I assume) I'd like to have a 3-option switch and have the options be flicker, solid, and off.
    I think its a definite case of playing and seeing what works.

    In order to place the shadow I imagine a single light source would be easier to direct it. A large block of light in front of the wings will be more difficult to control.

    I would try and raise the wings slightly and have the light under it. Using metallic tape, like Enigma75 suggests, might help control it if placed in specific places rather than all over.

    In terms of the glass, you can get cheap clear acrylic on ebay, which will be easier to craft into the size you want.
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    Mar 8, 2013, 5:17 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #28

    mattycsi said: View Post
    I think its a definite case of playing and seeing what works.

    In order to place the shadow I imagine a single light source would be easier to direct it. A large block of light in front of the wings will be more difficult to control.

    I would try and raise the wings slightly and have the light under it. Using metallic tape, like Enigma75 suggests, might help control it if placed in specific places rather than all over.

    In terms of the glass, you can get cheap clear acrylic on ebay, which will be easier to craft into the size you want.
    Well we'll have to see how big it has to be. It would be easier to cut than glass, yeah, but if the size happens to coincide with a common picture frame size, then glass would be easier. I also considered just using a clear sheet of acetate.

    The reason I'm going for LEDs or strip LEDs is because they're so short, so I can have them right at the bottom and have the design higher and on an angle, yeah. I want to be able to keep it all enclosed so I think I'll have to use directional light, what height difference I can make without making the unit stupidly huge, and the angle of the glass to achieve the positioning I want. It'll also depend on where I put the unit on my shelves, too, so yeah it's going to come down to testing a bunch of stuff. Strategic use of metallic tape for directionality is a useful possibility, too.
    My sister has suggested I might need a lens on the back depending on the scale of the shadow.

    It would be easier if I wanted just a crisp shadow, but I want to try and capture the huge, looming, feathery, ethereal feeling that the wing scene had in the show, so I'm keen to find a balance of warm diffused/flickering light and shadow strength and detail.

    If I had Batman props to display I would ABSOLUTELY be building a bat signal into them so I'm pleased that you're going to.
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    Mar 8, 2013, 5:37 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #29

    Pixels said: View Post

    It would be easier if I wanted just a crisp shadow, but I want to try and capture the huge, looming, feathery, ethereal feeling that the wing scene had in the show, so I'm keen to find a balance of warm diffused/flickering light and shadow strength and detail.


    If I had Batman props to display I would ABSOLUTELY be building a bat signal into them so I'm pleased that you're going to.
    If it is easier because the lights themselves are more readily available/affordable, then you you can always diffuse by putting very lightweight paper over the light. Only over LEDs though. Or etching spray/light wet sanding over the glass. Anything that breaks the light up.

    Oddly enough, it never occurred to me to do a bat signal, but seeing your diagram on page1 literally put a light on in my head.
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    Mar 8, 2013, 5:43 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #30

    mattycsi said: View Post
    If it is easier because the lights themselves are more readily available/affordable, then you you can always diffuse by putting very lightweight paper over the light. Only over LEDs though. Or etching spray/light wet sanding over the glass. Anything that breaks the light up.

    Oddly enough, it never occurred to me to do a bat signal, but seeing your diagram on page1 literally put a light on in my head.
    Well I hope you post a build thread, so more people will build bat signals!

    I've never made anything before so I'm new to all of this but I live alone so there's no one to reign me in and I care a lot about interior decorating so I've been thinking a lot about cool ways to really display and show off the stuff I love and reflect it in the household décor, so my whole house is one huge prop replica display.

    For my other supernatural props, I have an idea in my head about putting them on a black opaque material with a complex devil's trap cut out of it, and using hidden underlighting so all the details and the lines are illuminated.
    I like lighting.
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    Mar 9, 2013, 2:52 AM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #31

    I just wanted to say Thank You, aside from this being a great idea I have little no experience with lighting and all the suggestions here have been fantastic.
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    Mar 9, 2013, 7:20 AM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #32

    Pixels said: View Post
    Well I hope you post a build thread, so more people will build bat signals!
    Will do. Its officially added to the project list.

    Pixels said: View Post
    I've never made anything before so I'm new to all of this but I live alone so there's no one to reign me in and I care a lot about interior decorating so I've been thinking a lot about cool ways to really display and show off the stuff I love and reflect it in the household décor, so my whole house is one huge prop replica display.
    I'm at the other end of the spectrum. Between lack of display and suitable workshop space I struggle to get anything done. Add wife and baby to take up spare time its a near mission impossible. We're looking to move and display room/mancave and attached garage are high on the list. Then just try and stop me!


    Pixels said: View Post
    For my other supernatural props, I have an idea in my head about putting them on a black opaque material with a complex devil's trap cut out of it, and using hidden underlighting so all the details and the lines are illuminated.
    I like lighting.
    I was thinking about this. If you used a clear acrylic and primed and matt black painted it, you could score the devils trap out of it. Then the underlighting should come through the now clear lines quite well and give some clear definition of the design.
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    Mar 9, 2013, 10:33 AM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #33

    What if you could make a small version for on your back with staps. So a light with some kine of lens to enhance the effect and the wings. In a half lit room it could be possible to get a half shadow ( aura thingy) and in a darkish room you could get the full light and angel wings. Does enyone know a strong ( and cheap ) enough option .
    ( btw sorry if I am hijacking your thread, it was just an idea)
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    Mar 9, 2013, 10:57 AM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #34

    mathew said: View Post
    What if you could make a small version for on your back with staps. So a light with some kine of lens to enhance the effect and the wings. In a half lit room it could be possible to get a half shadow ( aura thingy) and in a darkish room you could get the full light and angel wings. Does enyone know a strong ( and cheap ) enough option .
    ( btw sorry if I am hijacking your thread, it was just an idea)
    I think that would be do-able. There are some quite powerful led bike lights out there, Cree for one.
    With it being a worn item, there is the potential too hide a power source in a back pocket or belt pouch.

    The main problem would probably be how bulky and fragile the light unit would be on your back.
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    Mar 9, 2013, 12:57 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #35

    mattycsi said: View Post

    The main problem would probably be how bulky and fragile the light unit would be on your back.

    What if you made it in a small flat backpack like case? I am not good with electronics but it think it might be possible to fit a light source a lens ( of a overhead projector maybe ) and a wing pattern in one small flat case
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    Mar 9, 2013, 10:45 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #36

    I think you'd be better off making two, one for each wing. Wings usually extend from the shoulder blades so there's no need for anything right across your back imo.

    If you had one for each wing, you could use a pair of pose-able spotlights with whatever kind of light diffusion over the light you wanted, to cast the shadow exactly where you wanted.
    Or you could mount two small pose-able projectors like the sort that was linked earlier and project a dark image onto a light surface.
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    Mar 10, 2013, 7:46 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #37

    Started to play around with this tonight.

    1st I drew (badly) and cut out a pair of angel wings, taped them to a cocktail stick and blue tacked them to the floor.

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    Mar 10, 2013, 8:14 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #38

    Then placed my bike light behind it about 2-3 inches away. I propped it up on a box so as to cast the shadow up the wall



    This is what I got


    The set up was about 10 feet from the wall. I found that because the beam of my torch was so narrow I had to be at some distance to get the spread of the wings across the wall. But an effect was possible, albeit much less defined and without the whole image being cast.

    I'm sure this would be fixed with a wider beam of light, so there shouldnt be too many problems when building it into the back of a wide display box. I think the angel blade is about 14" long, so a wide scope is well acheivable there and you should be able to get it much nearer to a wall and get a really good effect.

    Then, coz I couldn't resist, I went all heavenly.


    Looking at Mathew's wearable idea, I think maybe a flat led spread, with some kind of lens and wings placed on the lens might work to a certain degree. Especially as you have options to hide a power source, cable and switch under a Castiel overcoat and the unit itself could sit under a cut out flap in the back.
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    Mar 11, 2013, 11:06 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #39

    Have you considerd an LED light bulb, such as this,

    These arn't super bright, but I think its probably bright enough for what you wanna do. There are a few differnt types that are linked to in the listing as well.
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    Mar 22, 2013, 8:49 AM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #40

    Just tried my idea but I need a light which is smaller, has a broader beam ( because the wings are broad and which is easy to operate, for example with a switch or a click light
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    Mar 22, 2013, 2:07 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #41

    My progress on this is pretty much halted until I get my angel blade, since the size of the unit is going to be relative to the size of the blade and where it needs to be supported.

    I'm not going with any kind of bulb just due to the size of them. I want the smallest, most controllable, direction-able light I can get which is going to be some configuration of LEDs.

    I'll use breadboard for the LEDs and build in a switch. Ideally I'd like to use a 3-setting switch and have it powered by a mains adaptor.
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    Mar 22, 2013, 2:08 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #42

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    Then, coz I couldn't resist, I went all heavenly.
    That made me laugh. But yes, you need the trench coat and the dishevelled shirt and tie!
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    Mar 22, 2013, 2:27 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #43

    Try these guys, super small and strong. Also they have kits to edit the colour and blinking and such, and even a wireless card.

    thingm :: an electronic product studio: BlinkM
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    Mar 22, 2013, 4:05 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #44

    Pixels said: View Post
    My progress on this is pretty much halted until I get my angel blade, since the size of the unit is going to be relative to the size of the blade and where it needs to be supported.
    Mine too, every time I start getting my head round a build it leads me onto some other idea and I start planning and researching that. As a consequence I got a ton of stuff lined up and plotted out but nothing to show for it as yet.

    Pixels said: View Post
    That made me laugh. But yes, you need the trench coat and the dishevelled shirt and tie!
    The irony there is, all my shirts and ties ARE dishevelled. Don't have a trench coat though.

    mathew said: View Post
    Just tried my idea but I need a light which is smaller, has a broader beam ( because the wings are broad and which is easy to operate, for example with a switch or a click light
    Think this might be your answer

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    Try these guys, super small and strong. Also they have kits to edit the colour and blinking and such, and even a wireless card.

    [COLOR=#810081]thingm :: an electronic product studio: BlinkM[/COLOR]
    Excellent find, thanks. Bookmarked this page, I checked out the UK distributers and the prices are still reasonable. No massive, rip off britain, price hikes.
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    Jul 27, 2013, 3:43 PM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #45

    My dad and I are going to attempt to put together a stand like the one in the first post. Will update as we move along the process!
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    Sep 3, 2013, 12:24 AM - Re: Supernatural Angel Wing Projector - Very Very Rough Sketch! #46

    This is awesome that I found this thread! I'm actually working on a pair of wearable angle wings for a Castiel costume myself. I'm currently working with wings cut out of black acetate and low profile headlamps with the front piece of plastic removed. (I found that the plastic created to hazy of a wing outline).

    I've taken a break from working on it to work on the resin angel sword I got and needed more work that I thought it would. But this is where the right wing was at when I stopped. This wouldn't be the final wing cutout, it was just the sample to test it out. And the pic I took was difficult to get, so I rotated the original pic to match the angle I got my pic at.
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