QMx & Other New Sonic Screwdrivers Thread

[phez]

So Phez does that answer all your questions or are you still in denial?

Ahhhhhhhhhh, no .
It is the same pasted together publicly available information from when I brought this up on the last Sonic, and guess what, no proof ever surfaced and the same will be true here. There will be people who require no proof and that is fine. I have been reverse engineering props for too long to be fooled by a laundry list of stuff I have already figured out myself from photos.

As last time I do not really care so I am simply going to drop this but here is the important thing. We have the original prop maker from the show here on this site chatting with us. There is nothing more exciting for a model maker like my self than to have the opportunity to get tips and learn things from industry professionals (especially the people from DrWho).

The unfortunate reality is that if your frame of reference on these props is a bunch of made up facts and hearsay at some point when the real information comes out it is going to collide with the trash. At that point before you post please remember that rubbertoe is the artist that makes the props that we study and replicate. Please post with the respect and decency that deserves.

Case and point, this conversation is not headed in a good direction.

the BBC have bought, & adapted his 9th Sonic for River in a forthcoming episode so they or the people who work on the production, are very much aware of his work.

You need to ask yourself, what is more likely. If that thing is a being used in the show is it more likely that the BBC bought a prop from someone who is pretty much actively stealing from them or that they simply made one up new or from the parts they have. Now the question has also been answered by the person who does the props for the show (there simply is no more credible source than that period). When these conversations come up you can either use them to learn something new from the people who really know what they are talking about or you can defend whatever made up story you have heard along the way.

CT makes money off of making sonic screwdriver props. It is not good for business if the prop maker from the show makes the masters (eg. undeniably accurate) for a competing company. The only recourse is to try to challenge the accuracy of the masters as here. My guess is that the prototype was made exactly like the screen used pieces but has not been battered from filming.

The Robatto prop they're working from is not 100% identical to the screen-used props--BUT THIS IS A GOOD THING. Nick seems to have made them a cleaned up, more presentable version than what is actually used for filming.

It takes no longer to make the screen used props well than it does to halfass them. Why would the prototype be made any different than the screen used ones other than minor hand made artifacts?

[phez]

Originally Posted by LeAngeSolitaire

I think Phez summed it up best as to the real reason why proof has not been forthcoming:




I just think that the real issue is not so much the existence of proof, it's the fact that some people are miffed that He-who-shall-not-be-named has not shared this proof with everyone. But why should he?

Orrrrrrr, the whole story could just be bull**** . Which is more likely.

This is an absolute no brainier. Think about what you are saying. What do you think a screen used 11th Doctor sonic is worth to a prop collector? I very seriously doubt they are just sitting around not under lock and key. So what you are saying is that someone who is trusted with access to the hand props is willing to take one and send it to China where someone who is making unlicensed replicas (stealing from the BBC) can copy it but will not provide even a single photo of proof despite the fact it could in no way connect to who stole it?????????

WHAT!!!!

You guy are hilarious

[LeAngeSolitaire]

Originally Posted by phez

Orrrrrrr, the whole story could just be bull**** . Which is more likely.

This is an absolute no brainier. Think about what you are saying. What do you think a screen used 11th Doctor sonic is worth to a prop collector? I very seriously doubt they are just sitting around not under lock and key. So what you are saying is that someone who is trusted with access to the hand props is willing to take one and send it to China where someone who is making unlicensed replicas (stealing from the BBC) can copy it but will not provide even a single photo of proof despite the fact it could in no way connect to who stole it?????????

WHAT!!!!

You guy are hilarious

You seem to forget that as soon a pic surfaces publically, it is proof that someone did something they shouldn't which would open the door to all manner of internal and external enquiries and possible police involvement which would make life very difficult for everyone involved. This way, these 'claims' can be dismissed as just that.

There are enough people here who have seen the incontrovertible proof, myself included. Unless you calling us all liars, it don't know what else to say to you.

[jedibugs]

Originally Posted by phez

The unfortunate reality is that if your frame of reference on these props is a bunch of made up facts and hearsay at some point when the real information comes out it is going to collide with the trash. At that point before you post please remember that rubbertoe is the artist that makes the props that we study and replicate. Please post with the respect and decency that deserves.

You call for people to post with respect and decency immediately after calling them liars? Dude, no one one this forum is a CT sock puppet, no one works for him or is otherwise invested in his success. No one has any reason to lie. Nor has anyone leveled accusations of lying at Rubbertoe, QMx or anyone else involved in the manufacture of the licensed prop. I said before that I don't care whether you believe me in regards to my knowledge that CT had access... I just ask that you not call me a liar. And before you say again that you have not called me (and others here) liars, re-read the quote from you above... namely the part about "made up facts." To be clear: "made up facts" are also known as "Lies." Get some class and disagree without casting accusations on people who are trying to help other make informed decisions about their future purchasing options.

Originally Posted by phez

You need to ask yourself, what is more likely. If that thing is a being used in the show is it more likely that the BBC bought a prop from someone who is pretty much actively stealing from them or that they simply made one up new or from the parts they have. Now the question has also been answered by the person who does the props for the show (there simply is no more credible source than that period).

To the best of my knowledge, the BBC never manufactured a 9 Sonic with a narrow slider channel. If I am correct on that, that makes the posted image most definitely a modified CT. However, only ASP9mm knows the source of the pic, so no one else can really verify that source's claims that it is to be used on the show as accurate or not. If Nick says that no CTs are being used on the show, then I am inclined to believe him. But that doesn't mean that the mystery prop was made by the BBC, it could just as well mean that the mystery prop was never something associated with the show at all.

Originally Posted by phez

CT makes money off of making sonic screwdriver props. It is not good for business if the prop maker from the show makes the masters (eg. undeniably accurate) for a competing company. The only recourse is to try to challenge the accuracy of the masters as here.

Ummm... neither CT nor anyone else has questioned the accuracy of the Robatto/QMx product... in fact, here is a quote from CT himself, which you can find in his Twitter feed: "unless one of us f***s up, there shall be no difference to the prop."
What HAS been criticized is the fact that the product was announced a YEAR ago and work on getting it into production is only just now starting. CT has doubts that the QMx will ever make it to market, but I don't doubt that they'll be able to get it out and I don't think anyone else here has expressed that same doubt, either.

Originally Posted by phez

My guess is that the prototype was made exactly like the screen used pieces but has not been battered from filming.

Brilliant guess. I really wish I had come up with a theory like that a few posts ago... Oh, I did?

Originally Posted by phez

It takes no longer to make the screen used props well than it does to halfass them. Why would the prototype be made any different than the screen used ones other than minor hand made artifacts?

Um, actually, it does. That's why people halfass things. If it weren't faster, our vocabulary wouldn't even contain the word halfass for you to misdefine.

Now how about an apology to those, like myself, against whom you have made libelous accusations?

[Birdie]

Originally Posted by greatwazoo42

Which is why the rest of the crowd at large think you guys are either full of it or deluded or both. Just sayin'.

I would have liked to believe that the likes of Phez and yourself, having also been around since the year dot, would be aware that I don't bs. You may not like my opinions or tastes, but in eleven years here I don't think I've ever been called out for dishonesty, failing to share or shady dealings. I say what I think, and my word is my bond - one that I have given to CT regarding 'evidence'.

'The rest of the crowd' is about three people, no?

Those that have been insulted by CT, or taken offence to his attitude?

Not that I'm not offended by your cynicism, btw, I just think this is a ridiculous argument, and has very little to do with evidence and everything to do with personalities. Just stop pretending otherwise, and take your business to the vendor you're comfortable with.

[phez]

Originally Posted by LeAngeSolitaire

There are enough people here who have seen the incontrovertible proof, myself included. Unless you calling us all liars, it don't know what else to say to you.

I am not calling anyone a liar. I am simply saying don't post on a board notorious for scrutinizing details of props a totally improbable scenario with not a shred of proof and expect rational people to buy it. This has nothing to do with the personalities and everything to do with the evidence (which there is none of). This exact conversation would be going on if this prop and the people were totally different.

[jedibugs]

Originally Posted by phez

I am not calling anyone a liar.

Yes you are. Please see my comments in my previous post, RE: "Made up facts."

[LeAngeSolitaire]

Originally Posted by phez

I am not calling anyone a liar. I am simply saying don't post on a board notorious for scrutinizing details of props a totally improbable scenario with not a shred of proof and expect rational people to buy it.

With all due respect, you are. I, and at least three others, have seen proof. We have said this. You have carried on with this line of attack. Either we are liars are we aren't? Which is it? I'm not going to ask you for an apology like Jedibugs has because I don't think you have the decency to provide one because it admits you are wrong.

[phez]

Made up facts meaning speculation intended to fill in unknown gaps between known facts. Sorry if I worded that too strongly for you guys. I honestly did not intend that to come across like that.

Can we agree to leave it friendly and like this.
To those that have seen proof, it is a fact. To those that have not seen any proof it is fiction. It moves from fiction to fact through an individual seeing proof like any other reference on this board. No one getting called a liar simply those with proof and those without.

Does that work and not offend anyone?

[Asp9mm]

In regards to the CT sonic seen at Upper Boat. That is all the information we have. It could have been anyones on that particular trip, or could have belonged to an employee there. All that I know was that it was on display with a bunch of other memorabilia and stuff on the day some people visited. The only thing I can vouch for is the person that took the picture as he has zero interest in props, DW or sonics. The rest of the story has been snowballing from speculation and ideas. I have no idea what it's all about. It's interesting because if it is a CT sonic, it has clearly been modded for some reason. Maybe it has been turned into a pen. It does have a clip on it. Was Elvisgump on that tour?

In regards to the CT Eleventh sonic. Let's let that lie shall we. The proof will be in the finished replica he offers.

[greatwazoo42]

Thanks Asp. Sharing information (as far as I know) is supposed to be a cornerstone of the RPF.

[kcpstudio]

Greetings.....

OK, I think its about time to clear the air and "keep it real". For those of you that already know who I am... bear with me while I introduce myself. I am an industry special effects, weapons, and prop maker. I primarily work on hero props. Some of my recent stuff includes.... Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Battlestar Galactica: Blood and Chrome, Warehouse 13, Fringe, Mission Impossible 4, The A-Team, Underworld: New Dawn, Stephen Spielberg's Locke and Key, etc. Ok... so.... that should give you an idea of who I am in the industry and hopefully earn credibility that what I'm going to say is just "keeping it real" and not embellishing or blatant BS.

There has been so much talk about the Sonics and who did this, who did that or "no"... it was done this way, or "no"... you're wrong... it was done that way. lol Everything I'm going to say about the QMx sonics is what it is... nothing more and nothing less.

1. First, I was commissioned by QMx to build the sonics for them.
2. I persuaded QMx to bring me to the Dr. Who set in the UK to examine props that they would like to release. I told them that they could not get the dimensions I needed through pictures alone. I told them I would bring my equipment with.... laser scanner, all kinds of engineering tools, etc and I could create perfect CAD models off the actual "Screen used Props". They agreed and I went with.
3. I spent countless hours reverse engineering the 10th and 11th sonics on set and in my hotel room. I never really got to see much of the UK. Instead, I was working til 3:30am or even all night long to get everything I could. I kept all details... imperfect as well... in my CAD. If I built a sonic right now.... no one would be able to tell mine apart from the original screen used props... period!
4. I know what the 10th and 11th sonics look like inside and out. I was given all 4 hero 11th sonics and the 10th to examine.
5. All 4 11th sonics had slight differences to them. One was a little longer... one part was slightly different than the next one. One had a detail different than another. If you placed all right next to each other, they look pretty identical but once in your hands... you saw the differences. I did a laser scan and CAD on EVERY SINGLE PART... inside and out of all the parts that made up all the 4 different 11th sonics. I took well over 300 photos of the hero screen used sonics alone.
6. Mission accomplished but I wasn't happy enough. I came up with the idea and asked Nick (prop maker who worked on the show for 6 years I believe... correct me if Im wrong on that Nick) if he would build clean versions of all the sonics from the show that QMx would want to release. He said yes. I then told Andy why I thought it would be a good idea. I told him that my CADs were perfect but had all different dimensions from all the differences between the 4 11th sonics etc. I told him that if Nick made the clean versions (try and make the sonics without all the "deadline rush" machining out of it, I would then be able to pic the parts in my CAD to match what Nick made and that would satisfy my OCD as to which of the parts of the 4 11th sonics I would use. Hopefully everyone is still following me and should give everyone an idea of how much "attention to detail" means to me. Andy thought that was a great idea and made it happen. Nick's sonics would also be used to promote the QMx sonics as true and accurate... basically we could show pics of Nick's sonics up against mine. When everyone sees no differences, everyone would be happy and put a lot of questions and concersn to rest.
7. Back at my studio, I went through my documention, photos, and CAD and got everything ready to start machining the prototypes for QMx.
8. I was in communication with Nick about various details as well as trying to find large material sources... like the material used for the crackle effect for the 10th sonic.
9. During my communication with Nick, he asked me to machine up the complex parts of the 10th. Yes.... some of those parts can not be machined up properly without the use of cnc. I had asked Nick if he had kept any of his drawings or dimensions on the 10th. He had said that the original screen used 10th sonic was machined up by a company called Aztec. This was the first time I ever heard this name. That's why I machined up the complex parts of the 10th sonic... my CAD was dead on to the screen used one and everone who would purchased one would be happy knowing that. So, I machined up 2 sets and shipped them off to Nick at the last minute so he could assemble and paint it for Comic Con. Sorry Nick that it was last minute.... . So, the 10th sonic, was a joint team effort between Nick and I to give you guys the best and the dead on accurate details everyone wants. You asked for it... you got it.
10. When I was on set, the studio was extremely professional and extremely protective of these sonics. Being an industry professional, I was able to gain enough trust with them to allow me to do what I needed to do to get the details off these sonics for all of you. And for that, I truly send a heart warm "thank you" to all those involved... from the prop master on up. This level of detail could not have been accomplished without your trust.
11. So, when I build these sonics for QMx... they will be made with my CAD I did of every part of the screen used 10th and 11th sonics. As for the other sonics (not the 10th and 11th), I will be reverse engineering Nick's work (Nick does not use CNC and does not have CAD models). He uses manual equipment and this would not be good when you have to machine several hundred or even thousands of parts for a run of sonics. I will be leaving all of Nick's details intact. Example: I made the Tesla guns for season 3 of Warehouse 13. The Tesla's frame needed to look as if it was hand cut with a hacksaw. Well, for the run of QMx Tesla guns, I left those hacksaw tooling marks in the parts when I programmed the laser to cut them out. That's the level of detail you'll be getting.
12. This is Important. I have seen some of the sonics out there and I have not come across one with all the details as the screen used ones I saw on set. I will not direct or point the finger at anyone specific.... I just don't want to get involved with those fights.... lol. What I want to say is that I have seen people try and replicate my work and state they had access to the prop and its 100 percent dead on. Yet, with all those incidents, none of them had access and none of them were dead on accurate. So... why would they say this? To make the sale. Plain and simple. In the end.... I ask everyone to STOP.... TAKE A DEEP BREATH.... AND RELAX. We're all brothers on this tiny ball floating around in space. lol Just know this... I took every step to give you the most accurate props. I mean.... Nick is now involved with all this. Everything else doesn't matter, everything else that anyone made up until this point has nothing to do with the QMx sonics except what's in this post and the sonics will be exact and that is something I stand behind saying.


OK then.... man I'm tired now. LOL Hopefully this answers a lot of questions for you guys and puts a lot of it to rest. For those of you who are Dr. Who fans and will be purchasing one of these sonics.... you will be getting the most accurate collectable built exactly like the heros. You can't even call them replicas.... you're getting hero made props... the same ones on screen. You won't tell the difference.

Kenney

[greatwazoo42]

Thank you, Kenney. I'm looking forward to seeing how all this progresses.

[jedibugs]

Amazing info. Thank you , Kenney. Hopefully you won't get chided for sharing with us this time :-)

[LeAngeSolitaire]

Wow, thanks Kenney. Does this mean that the sonics will cost $1200+ given the complexity compared to the Tesla? And timescales?

[phez]

Thanks for posting the info on these Kenny. I will definitely be getting one each of the Who props (good thing for layaway ). It is super cool to know the work that you guys have put into doing these and lengths that you have gone to for accuracy for us prop fanatic nut job .

Please do not get turned off by the occasional scrap (it is not the RPF until some fur is flying ).

Does this mean that the sonics will cost $1200+ given the complexity compared to the Tesla?

Really, we have to go there right after the guy pops into the middle of a war zone and tells us how much work he has put into doing this for us?

[LeAngeSolitaire]

Originally Posted by phez

Really, we have to go there right after the guy pops into the middle of a war zone and tells us how much work he has put into doing this for us?

What is it with you Phez? I just asked a perfectly valid question and wasn't taking a pop. If I didn't someone else would.

[TheNickFox]

Let them work up the volume, logistics, supply, features, and timescale before they/you worry about price. This is not going to be released tomorrow, as best as I can tell, so let's all just breathe. Look at how often even well-understood prop replicas undergo multiple pricing changes when someone offers up a run. Sometimes, even with the best math the real world can come back and bite you.

And as the saying goes, 'If you have to ask, you probably can't afford it."

Kenney, I don't want you to step on any contractual toes that might exist, but I'm wondering if you can give us any insight into the prop. There have always been a few things about the 11th sonic that I've always wondered about, like where are the batteries in it (Do they move or are they stationary)? What holds the sonic closed and what keeps it extended? And the one that really gets me: is the aluminum slider, head, and knurled "arms" all machined out of a single piece?

Sorry for the prying questions, but the mechanics of such a complex piece and the engineering behind it are fascinating to me.

If you can't answer anything, that's fine. I really appreciate you stepping into the middle of what is often a firefight to set the record straight.

-Nick

[charlie98210]

Why would they have to be machine out of a single piece? I would think
that they were each made individually and then assembled into a single
(slider) mechanism.

[TheNickFox]

Originally Posted by charlie98210

Why would they have to be machine out of a single piece? I would think
that they were each made individually and then assembled into a single
(slider) mechanism.

The pictures I've seen make it look like the head (Just under the emitter tip) is made from the same piece as the arms of the slider. Which makes me think it was machined from a single round aluminum bar and arduously hollowed out.

I'm just trying to see how it was really made for my own curiosity. And if it was made from a single milled piece for the aluminum slider, I have great respect for the machinist.

-Nick

[phez]

It almost looks to me like it was drilled most of the way through and then the slots milled out . I really do not see any break point from the tip to those slots. That is quite the piece of work if that is the case. How would you even hold that while you mill it out

[GeneralFROSTY]

Holy crap that was a load of GREAT info! Thank you for sharing, definately makes a difference in how I view things now and hopefully for others as well.
There is NO denying the demand for this prop - and considering the complexity, I am already preparing myself for a high ticket price - which is why I opened a credit card account, something I have not done in years! Just getting ready for this, and hoping its not SO limited that they sell out fast.

[kcpstudio]

Hi "The Nick Fox",
The last time I talked about a prop (like the Tesla when I said it was totally machined and no found parts except some of the tube parts and knob), my ass was sore for a week from being chewed out...... DAMN.... I did it again. Well, I should be expecting another call on that one. LOL

Let's see... I really can't give out too much, just talking to you guys makes some people upset. I can't for the love of GOD know why.... I've been on this site for how long and probably have the least amount of posts than any member on this site.

First, the battery sits in the back of the prop. How it is connected is a little bit of a trade secret... kind of. Or, maybe not. Basically some of the props built in the industry have to have batteries for various reasons... to power lights for show or for the VFX guys as a cue. The batteries have to be connected to leads. Well, I and others in the industry use magnets. We solder the leads to magnets and the magnets snap to the positive and negative sides of the battery. Bang.... instant power connection. To change the battery... just pull off the magnets. Now, I shouldn't get in trouble for that because it's kind of used a lot in the industry. As for the sonic.... you'll have to change the battery eventually so you'll find out sooner or later. The fact that I told you these would be made exact means just that. So, I don't think there's any real breach of info. As to whether its machined out of one piece etc? The knurled arms, slider, head section are one piece. The main sliding aluminum part starting just after the green emitter tip and ending with the knurled arms is one piece. However, there are several other parts that are a parts of that section that slides. If you look closly at the any of the readily available pics of the hero, you will see 4 claw fingers, and a "X" shaped pivot mount for the claw fingers. These are individual parts and then you have various pins, springs, screws etc. As for what holds the prop open and closed? The right amount of friction.... simple and it works.

Just keep in mind, there is a lot of parts in the 11th.... more than you can see and a lot of work to build and assemble one sonic. Now, the 11th is a little easier to machine... believe it or not.... than the 10th. The 10th has details that to get it right.... have to be cnc machined. The crown section of the prop that meshes when closed has complex angles and is not just a 45 degree cut as others thought. The angles in the crown are actually machined sightly convex... ever so slightly. A detail overlooked. This is something that needs to be cnc machined. There's more to it... way more but I think you all get the point. I'm sure someone after purchasing, is going to want to tear the thing apart for themselves and will just end up breaking it. Some of the parts of the 10th and 11th are glued or pinned etc. If it comes down to that.... I would rather post pics after the release of the prop to show the level of detail than for someone to break it out of curiosity. What I'll end up doing is maybe doing a video like I did for other props and show the details.... I'll have to ask Andy about that... that's his call. I think it would be a great idea because it would show all of you the level of detail and what goes into one of these props. You definitely would have a greater appreciation for the work. We'll see.

I think we'll leave the Q&A of the sonics alone for a while.... I think I pushed the envelope a little with the answers... even though this is stuff you'll end up having to know or just seeing in pics that are already out there.

Now, to answer "LeAngeSolitaire".... First, I want to express my deep respect for your concerns. I can assure you that there is nothing more important to me than trying to make props that more of you can afford. It's really tough to do that sometimes. If you asked Andy or anyone that knows me, they will tell you that I have lost my shirt in the past trying to do just that. Now, I won't discuss my costs with you or anyone else for that matter... it's just not ethical and fair to QMx. I can say that I made those things as low cost as possible... even to the extent that I told Andy that I would absorb some of the additional costs involved with that Tesla run. With all that said.... you have to understand that a company that holds a license is under a lot of pressure to deliver and they also have costs that a lot of fans forget about.... like the fact that there is a license contract, royalties, and a minimum garanty back to the Studio regardless of how many they sell. It depends on how the contracts were negotiated and if the show is actually popular etc. These factors alone can kill a project or make a project. I can truly assure you that I had no control over costs.... period. To say I was upset I couldn't do better on my end is an understatement. BUT, let's look at something else that's truly important. Ever since I started doing work for QMx, I was very adiment with Andy about one thing.... I will only build for him if I can keep my work exact to what I did for the movie or show... or exactly what another artist did for that movie or show. I'm not into trying to find ways of recreating it to look "like" the original. I'm a professional film prop maker and that's what you get. I'm not into building replicas. I know you can never please everyone... no matter what you do. If I was to build it cheap... most would complain it's not good enough or it would be picked apart by the RPF for not being accurate.... you guys are a tough crowd to please. So, how do we handle this? I'll go with making it as accurate as possible because the majority of you guys want that level of detail and expect it. Wouldn't you agree with that statement? Some props are just going to be high end. It is what it is. Again, I can't control the "final" number with respect to the price. I just can't... it's not in my hands. I think that's why Andy setup the layaway plan for you guys. I think there's just no other way to make these like you want without sacrificing... we can't have it both ways. Again, this is what the majority (as far as accuracy is concerned) wants and I'm answering that call. At least for what I build for QMx.

Now, as for why things take so long to go from concept to the final sale? Well, I can only answer for me and I'll try to explain. Like I said, I work in the film industry.... making props for a memorabilia company is what I do between films or shows. This is not my main gig. Many of you may not know this but as a business owner making props for the film industry.... when I finish working on a show or film.... I'm unemployed again until the next project. Doing stuff for QMx is a way for me to supplement my income.... and believe me when I say.... I have dinner at McDonalds just like every other guy. When I get the call to start on a show or film at the last minute... sometimes, that gets in the way of producing for QMx. Again... it is what it is. Most of us out there wouldn't really touch this kind of work because we're on the lower end of the pole. From a business point of view, we would need to be the license holder in order for it to work for us and make a living only doing replicas or meorabilia stuff. Guys like me can't compete with items made in China. lol Beside, when you get something from China... it's not going to be the level of detail, heart, and sweat as what you get when it's made by one of us from the industry. I'm doing it for QMx because I love what I do and I love hearing all the kind words you guys say about my work..... it's definitely not for the money. I think I beat this enough. I truly hope you understand... and like I said.... I do respect your concerns. If there's anything I can do on my end to do better to make it possible for more to afford these kinds of high end props.... I give you my word I will try everything. That's a promise!

(just thinking to myself)... the biggest issue I see with the 10th sonic is the crackle effect. That needs a lot of TLC to get it right and if I do a run of 100 to 500.... imagine where all the time will go. There is many steps in the process to get that effect and do it right. We'll see.

Thanks again guys for all the kind words
Kenney

[TheNickFox]

WOW! Thank you so much for taking the time to share a little information. I really appreciate it. And hearing it all straight from the source gives me a LOT of faith in the quality of the eventual product.

I had a sneaking suspicion that magnets were used to make a circuit without the need for wires extending and retracting (And possibly then snapping). In fact, I was planning on using that technique when I modified my toy version of the 11th Sonic.

It really sounds like an exciting project, and I'm glad to see it shaping up. If my finances are all in order when these are released, you can expect me to be first in line.

Keep up the great work, and don't listen to the naysayers. I know I speak for the majority of the forum when I say thank you for taking the time to address our questions and concerns. I'm sure whatever the eventual price is, it'll be well worth it.

-Nick

[Yellowjacket]

I just hope that QMx treats you well for the work.