JP DNA Can Pic....Discuss

**Droidboy** · Jun 10, 2012

Years ago when I did my JP can, this was the photo I based it all on. This photo was taken at Universal Studios in California probably around 2001 or so.

What I'd like to bring to a discussion is the base. If you look carefully at the base you can see small fragments of red and and white leading me to believe that this can actually used the bottom of the shaving cream can for the prop.

When I did my can, I actually used the bottom of the can, but I've noticed in both Rylo's and Nick's Dad's runs, they didn't.

I'm not posting this to say one is better than the other, Rylo and ND both made some great improvements over my initial piece, but I thought this might be an interesting discussion.

So have at it....

Gregg

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**Jedifyfe** · Jun 10, 2012

I am not seeing the red and white fragments...

**Alan Castillo** · Jun 10, 2012

Could it be that the reddish parts you refer to are reflections of the O-ring ? There also seem to be reddish parts on the left and right of the top of the base and the edges of the metal 'trays' that also look like reflections, but from the frame of the photograph (?)

**Alan Castillo** · Jun 10, 2012

Jedifyfe said:

I am not seeing the red and white fragments...

I think he is referring to the reddish-y bit on the left hand side of the 'lip' of the very bottom of the base (?)

**Luke0312** · Jun 10, 2012

Is this one of the white fragments you're referring to?

I believe these are just reflections of the surrounding objects. If they did use a real can bottom, which I recall reading that a real can was used when dispensing the cream, but the prop can (which was reported to have a flat bottom, so obviously not a real bottom) used during the opening of the can and that Dennis only mimics the unscrewing motion, shouldn't there be a large amount of blue somewhere? It could be on the backside of the prop, but I'm not seeing enough evidence that leads me to believe they used a real bottom.

**Mr. Nagata** · Jun 10, 2012

I'm not sure about the bottom of the can, but I DO see an interesting tapered ring detail with notches cut out in-between the two cradles that I have not seen on anyone's replica before. Very interesting detail. I'd like to know more about that.

**Droidboy** · Jun 11, 2012

Alan Castillo said:

I think he is referring to the reddish-y bit on the left hand side of the 'lip' of the very bottom of the base (?)

Yep, that is it. On the real photo you can see it a lot clearer, and it's very obvious that the red and white bits are evenly spaced enough that it's pretty clear that it's the bottom of the shaving cream can.

**Alan Castillo** · Jun 11, 2012

Can you post a close-up / higher res of that area Gregg ?

**allosaur176** · Jun 11, 2012

Luke0312 said:

used during the opening of the can and that Dennis only mimics the unscrewing motion

Why mimic it when all they needed to do was insert a ring at the top of the can with a threaded hole?? That's what my can has

**Droidboy** · Jun 11, 2012

allosaur176 said:

Why mimic it when all they needed to do was insert a ring at the top of the can with a threaded hole?? That's what my can has

The cans I made actually used the real shaving cream bottom AND screwed in. The top of the shaft threaded into what was essentially a machined nut at the top of the can.

Gregg

**allosaur176** · Jun 11, 2012

Droidboy said:

The cans I made actually used the real shaving cream bottom AND screwed in. The top of the shaft threaded into what was essentially a machined nut at the top of the can.

Gregg

Yep, I have one of yours

**Rylo** · Jun 11, 2012

I have pics of a screen used can that shows the bottom perfectly clear and there is nothing there. Just machined aluminum.

Now, that doesn't mean there couldn't be a variation as I'm fairly certain there were multiple props made and they probably did differ a little here and there. In fact, I was given a set of photos over a decade ago that showed what looked like a paint rub on the rim of the can where you mentioned it. I wouldn't say with absolute certainty it looked painted though.

I've also seen two replicas on display at Universal City Walk in the last 10 years and one did look like it had something funky going on with with the bottom. I should say, I'm certain one was a replica and the other was just screwy looking...something wasn't quite right with the details; could've been a proto.

The problem is after all these years and multiple builders there are a number of cans out there that have been mistaken for originals. Hell, even one of mine ended up in the Bluray.

My position on the cans has always been that there's a good bit of smoke and mirrors happening in the cryo scene. We're seeing rapid edits of a real can to the hero prop and they of course differ. I don't see why you can't paint the bottom white or cap it with a shaving cream bottom if you want. I think it's a nice touch that makes it unique.

You never know, they could've slipped a can safe in there for the screwing motion and those have white capped bottoms. I think they just mimic the motion, but we'll never really know.

-Rylo

**Mr. Nagata** · Jun 11, 2012

What about that detail I mention, Rylo? Did the can you examined have that tapered ring? I just look at some screen caps and it looks like it's on the prop used in the embryo stealing scene.

This is what I'm talking about:

**Rylo** · Jun 11, 2012

Yeah, that's very similar to (or could be) the can I mentioned up top. I have a number of close-up pics of that one, too. While similar to the piece our group referenced, the details are much more soft. The piece we referenced almost 10 years ago was cleaner and did not have that same ledge. It basically looked like the metal had not been cut all the way through the center of the spindle and the maker simply drilled straight through the ledge leaving a lip between the vials. I do not believe that one had the divets on the bottom spindle either. I also remember it being a wonky prop that didn't set straight as seen in the first post.

As for screen caps. You can see all sorts of things looking at those reflections. Reminds me of the old Bladerunner gun threads. We really covered all that ad nauseum back in the day. At one point people were suggesting there were ribs on the bottom of the inner spindle, but close-ups of the original showed them to be reflections of the bottom dimples. It's fun when this sort of thread pops up, but it really is all old territory.

NOTE: I'm always careful when I mention the primary prop a group of us referenced back in the day. It's important to note, it wasn't just "me"...A bunch of us really dug in and studied that damned thing back in the day so it's important to share the love.

Anyway, here's a shot of the bottom of a hero showing the perfectly machined bottom with no paint...some metal rubs, but no paint. That's not to say we're referencing the same prop, though.

I'm looking for more pics! Ugh...too many flash drives.

**davidJurassic** · Jun 11, 2012

interesting thread! I owned a prop similar to the one up top. I was told it was displayed at Universal many moons ago. It also had the tapered section between the racks. I took it apart and photographed it all - will try and get photos up for you all.

**davidJurassic** · Jun 11, 2012

Please note - the rack might be upside down in the first picture, hence the two rings looking close together

**Rylo** · Jun 11, 2012

Please do! I believe the same guy who made them once sold an ass ton of supposed 'screen used' canes. He sold the canes as wrap gifts about 15 years ago. They had fake bugs in them. I've known a couple people who were sold cans that had supposedly been on display at the parks.

Like I said; I've got great close-ups of one of them with a ledge. I just need to find the damned things. The general consensus was, it was a replica someone had managed to get in for an occasional sale. Same thing with the canes. I forget the name of the store in Orlando that used to sell all sorts of screen used items... They had canes 13 or 14 years back.

davidJurassic said:

interesting thread! I owned a prop similar to the one up top. I was told it was displayed at Universal many moons ago. It also had the tapered section between the racks. I took it apart and photographed it all - will try and get photos up for you all.

**Rylo** · Jun 11, 2012

That's the one! Did you buy that one off Ebay?

**davidJurassic** · Jun 11, 2012

Cool! Note the large gaps between indentations on the base piece. Very narrow pill shapes.

So thats where this piece came from?

**davidJurassic** · Jun 11, 2012

Wish I'd kept it though as the can was pre-website markings

**Rylo** · Jun 11, 2012

Yeah, there was some funky **** going on with that one. Looks like he had the same problem we all did back then. None of us could find the correct o-rings!

His base was really tall in addition the things you mentioned.

Here's a photo of a cryo that was on display with the goggles and a number of other pieces about a decade ago. (I'd credit whomever took it if I could remember)

davidJurassic said:

Cool! Note the large gaps between indentations on the base piece. Very narrow pill shapes.

So thats where this piece came from?

**davidJurassic** · Jun 11, 2012

Yeah was an old Ebay purchase yonks ago. You got yours right on the mark!!

**Rylo** · Jun 11, 2012

Those still pop up on Ebay every so often. The machine work looked nice on the one you had! So, no o-rings were in the vials you got with it?

davidJurassic said:

Yeah was an old Ebay purchase yonks ago. You got yours right on the mark!!

**davidJurassic** · Jun 11, 2012

nope not at the time - although it looked good, the threading had worn down to a point where the mechanism was touch and go

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