A Discussion on Recasting

Dude, why are you even listening to all this negativity. I think these guys totally attacked you and slandered you for no good cause. How many prop builders on here ever received or paid for any licensing. Not to attack Finhead like he did you but I purchased one of his Ironman buckets + I wanted the new one that he was producing but did not make it in time. I seriously doubt that he ever received any permission from Marvel or even from DC for all the batman stuff he has made. I never understood how one prop builder can blatantly attack another for doing the exact same thing. It's like one says something and the others chime in. Makes you think.

Comicpit said:

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Dude, why are you even listening to all this negativity. I think these guys totally attacked you and slandered you for no good cause. How many prop builders on here ever received or paid for any licensing. Not to attack Finhead like he did you but I purchased one of his Ironman buckets + I wanted the new one that he was producing but did not make it in time. I seriously doubt that he ever received any permission from Marvel or even from DC for all the batman stuff he has made. I never understood how one prop builder can blatantly attack another for doing the exact same thing. It's like one says something and the others chime in. Makes you think.

do you even know what the heck is going on? maybe, you should read and understand the rules of this site and understand what recasting is defined on this site before throwing your 2 cents in. I guess being a member for only 2 years and only posting "badass", "nice job", and "that thing is awesome" makes you an expert in recasting...


Finhead takes the time to model and create his helmets....MrPinkistinky took some1 elses casting.... slapped a fin on it and molded it. Mr slimPickens had no idea which helmet casting he had in his possession and claims it had no rpf member connection, but still thought it was a great thing to mold and offer it for sale which is a BIG NO NO on this site...The helmet casting can possibly be an acme or an oz helmet....hell it can even be a wolf morgan recast..etc etc.

James Kenobi outlines it perfectly in his post.

No good cause? negativity? Ha! ******!

Glad you chimed in Michael. I'm getting tired of posting the same rhetoric to those who bring 'original rights' into a recasting discussion as per RPF definitions

This one is yours.

Enjoy

Yes I know exactly what helmet it is. That's the old Icons helmet that I received when I worked there. After many moves, this thing got pretty thrashed and the fin was lost. I contacted Oz to see if the one that he recasted was an icons piece but he never responded. I do not have much time to do this stuff anymore but still enjoy looking at others work. I could be a tool and leave long comments but "nice work" suffices with me. I am sorry that I do not meet your quota on posts but I also had good feeling that I would be attacked as well.

Comicpit said:

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Yes I know exactly what helmet it is. That's the old Icons helmet that I received when I worked there. After many moves, this thing got pretty thrashed and the fin was lost. I contacted Oz to see if the one that he recasted was an icons piece but he never responded. I do not have much time to do this stuff anymore but still enjoy looking at others work. I could be a tool and leave long comments but "nice work" suffices with me. I am sorry that I do not meet your quota on posts but I also had good feeling that I would be attacked as well.

You weren't attacked because of your post count, you seem to miss the difference between creating and selling a replica and recasting someone elses work.

for example.

If i take coca cola and and pour it into my own can and tell everyone its my formula and it tastes, smells, looks like coke and sell it. Im stealing from them.

If i put the effort and research into a soda with the sole purpose of getting as close as I possibly can ON MY OWN MERIT and it tastes, smells,looks like coke. Then i sell some off to people who cannot get coke anymore. This is fine. Do i own coke? no. Did i put in my own work and resources to be able to get people the same great taste as the real thing? Yes. The different is you wanted an iron man helmet and you got one. Didn't seem to have a moral conundrum there. Pinski got a bucket and put a fin on it. No one attacked him or accused him of stealing. They simply asked if 1. he knew where the base helmet came from. 2. If he had permission (if he needed it) from the original artist to sell them. Very simple things to determine from the comfort of a living room before stepping into a very dangerous ground of trying to sell some. easy.

Its.....its beautiful ;(

Always impressed by your work sir.

IRONFETT said:

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You weren't attacked because of your post count, you seem to miss the difference between creating and selling a replica and recasting someone elses work.

for example.

If i take coca cola and and pour it into my own can and tell everyone its my formula and it tastes, smells, looks like coke and sell it. Im stealing from them.

If i put the effort and research into a soda with the sole purpose of getting as close as I possibly can ON MY OWN MERIT and it tastes, smells,looks like coke. Then i sell some off to people who cannot get coke anymore. This is fine. Do i own coke? no. Did i put in my own work and resources to be able to get people the same great taste as the real thing? Yes. The different is you wanted an iron man helmet and you got one. Didn't seem to have a moral conundrum there. Pinski got a bucket and put a fin on it. No one attacked him or accused him of stealing. They simply asked if 1. he knew where the base helmet came from. 2. If he had permission (if he needed it) from the original artist to sell them. Very simple things to determine from the comfort of a living room before stepping into a very dangerous ground of trying to sell some. easy.

I totally agree with what you are saying. I see attacks a little differently. When I placed Finhead as an example, it was not too attack him. Everyone on this forum is entitled to their view/opinion. I see more and more collectors on this forum who really have no talent but are always looking to harp on someone. And yes a few did say recast without having all the facts. So if Ozy said that he recasted a helmet that's ok and no one really have him too much ****. Evil****eteer decided to lay down the law and curse me out at the same time. I see him as another person who really has no talent but does not have a problem to slander others.

Well done sir. Nice bucket.

It's the forums rules so if you believe in it or not is pretty irrelevant

So if this is an icons, he should be able to do this?

MrPinski said:

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The welding was done with Apoxy Sculpt by filling it out in a thin strip and imprinting it with a sculpting tool that had a round edge. Smoothed it down after with a little saliva and a pinky finger. Haha

The icing bag nozzle method can be done with a small hot glue gun too I'm sure.

Apoxy Sculp was just a less messy less risky way to go.

Hope that helps.

Thank you for information, I will add it to my list of ingredients.

I would like to say that even if in this forum if it is classed as a "re-cast", can I point out to the main forum leaders, as someone starting out I have learnt quit a bit from this posting.

One is about what re-casting is classed as, but also how to do the welding effect and what to use. So I am glad in one respect for this being posted.

I would like to ask as this is something I am sure comes up from time to time. If MrPinski fitted the fin etc for himself and made a useable lid for himself for costuming or even as a prop to look at in his home, would that be an issue?

I look forward to a response to this question.

Comicpit said:

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Yes I know exactly what helmet it is. That's the old Icons helmet that I received when I worked there. After many moves, this thing got pretty thrashed and the fin was lost.

Actually... this was a pretty important piece of information to this discussion regarding the origin of the battered helmet sans fin. That would have cleared everything up if that had been the first thing you posted. We protect each other and the unnamed artists as much as we can, so getting a name on the piece helps a great deal and it usually helps us determine whether the pitchforks should be put away. .)

CC2116 said:

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I would like to ask as this is something I am sure comes up from time to time. If MrPinski fitted the fin etc for himself and made a useable lid for himself for costuming or even as a prop to look at in his home, would that be an issue?

I look forward to a response to this question.

Usually discouraged as it often leads to more casts being made and sold and not just remaining a one-off cast only for yourself.

Too Much Garlic said:

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Actually... this was a pretty important piece of information to this discussion regarding the origin of the battered helmet sans fin. That would have cleared everything up if that had been the first thing you posted. We protect each other and the unnamed artists as much as we can, so getting a name on the piece helps a great deal and it usually helps us determine whether the pitchforks should be put away. .)

Bingo!!

Cenobyte said:

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So if this is an icons, he should be able to do this?

I know this was allowed in the past but somewhat frown upon....

my question to the site and fellow members is since James Latta is now a member does that mean Icons is now off limits. Master Replicas went under and there are fiberglass Rocketeer helmets floating around that came out of the Master Replicas mold. Those are totally off limits since Sd Studios and other members here are connected to it in some way. There are several past Icon workers here and now Latta is here, so wouldnt that make Icons off limits like Master Replicas?

Hmmmm, Maybe I should start a new thread about my question to further avoid derailing this thread..(yeah I know not one of those threads again or has this been discussed)

Comicpit said:

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I totally agree with what you are saying. I see attacks a little differently. When I placed Finhead as an example, it was not too attack him. Everyone on this forum is entitled to their view/opinion. I see more and more collectors on this forum who really have no talent but are always looking to harp on someone. And yes a few did say recast without having all the facts. So if Ozy said that he recasted a helmet that's ok and no one really have him too much ****. Evil****eteer decided to lay down the law and curse me out at the same time. I see him as another person who really has no talent but does not have a problem to slander others.

Not laying down the law or slandering others, just protecting our fellow members and community by keeping recasters out of it. Therpf takes recasting very seriously and the way this thread started and how quickly Pinski started trying to sell it on ebay and this site are several known characteristics of a recaster.


By the way, does the Evil****eteer start with a f, c, or d? Rpf blurs dirty wordys so I figure to ask to see which intent you had...Plus, I do builds and work on several props with buddies on weekends. I dont have time to post threads and upload pictures. It takes the fun away from it hanging with the guys and proping..

Also, do you guys have a picture of the helmet before it was heavily modified?

In ER's defense he is a really cool guy and has built some amazing things. Not all of us post our builds. I don't thin kI have posted but maybe 1 or 2. He just lives up to the EVIL in his name.

@ER I swear I have seen Mr recast sold here. I could be wrong I am getting older.

Amish Trooper said:

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In ER's defense he is a really cool guy and has built some amazing things. Not all of us post our builds. I don't thin kI have posted but maybe 1 or 2. He just lives up to the EVIL in his name.

@ER I swear I have seen Mr recast sold here. I could be wrong I am getting older.

I feel so wub... NiceRocketeer doesnt have a good ring to it...


If you are thinking of the HMS helmets, then no...They arent recasts...Hms helped MR in the earlier stages of the helmet production and kept the molds....They sold a few casts from the mold recently.

Btw, it is good to see you back pal. You gave us all a scare for awhile

Or the Don post deluxe vader that was cast a while ago that everyone had no problem with.

EvilRocketeer said:

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I feel so wub... NiceRocketeer doesnt have a good ring to it...


If you are thinking of the HMS helmets, then no...They arent recasts...Hms helped MR in the earlier stages of the helmet production and kept the molds....They sold a few casts from the mold recently.

Btw, it is good to see you back pal. You gave us all a scare for awhile

Yeah bud it was a trying time in my life but I did think of the MR recast. Darth Stone is currently casting up the ROTS Vader and will be offering that.

So now that we have some facts, just to fulfill everyone's curiosity, Can someone positively ID this as an ICONS so the OP can finish what he started?

I am assuming he is now afraid to post any new pics or updates in fear of getting lynched.

Cenobyte said:

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So now that we have some facts, just to fulfill everyone's curiosity, Can someone positively ID this as an ICONS so the OP can finish what he started?

It already has been IDed by Comicpit, so there's no doubts there.

Though I don't particularly agree with people copying licensed stuff and will occasionally fight it, it is to a degree accepted here.

Too Much Garlic said:

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Usually discouraged as it often leads to more casts being made and sold and not just remaining a one-off cast only for yourself.

Okay Thanks for letting me know. I guess it all comes down to how reputable the person is who is going the work.

Crank729 said:

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Mighty fine of you to do, Igor.

And A dam fine helmet also!

Thanks man!