Custom Tennant Sonic Build

Rassilon

Look this has been fun but I have to go and do some work, as I would like to go and see how my transmitters are going in the CNC, this has been very entertaining for my workers.
And as well for me, as we have a wide screen set up for them to comment on out in the shop floor.

I do think this should be on the Jerry Springer show, what ya think me and CT on the Jerry Springer show, now that would be good. Can someone set that up?.

LeAngeSolitaire

The petulance of that response answers my question.

LeAngeSolitaire

Time for school is it?

mooneye63

Apart from the obvious copying of CT's excellent work & editing of past post by Rassilon1 in attempt to change history, the thing that I find quite incredible about this thread, is the members who are chomping at the bit to buy this Sonic now its no longer going to be a personal project. Nothing wrong in that I hear you cry, especially if you want to buy from someone who has been banned from another site before for recasting someone else's hard work, but wait! Hold on... I remember people calling CT out when he was making his Sonic during the time when MFX were license holders. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there an outcry saying it was wrong for CT to produce his product as it was not authorized by the BBC & therefore he was effectively stealing business from Gortons project.

Er right... Well, if that was your argument, & if that was the set of principle that you stuck by in all of those posts, why aren't you saying the same about Rassilon's Sonic? QMx has the license at the moment, so surely by the same token, you should be shouting the same thing & steering clear of this project too? But no. Why? Because Rassilon is finally giving you the excuse you need to get your hands on a 10th Dr sonic.
OK, so as all your past protests & so called principles fly out the window, remember this. Just like all those who went off & sneakily bought a CT Sonic off a 3rd party thinking their skewed principles were intact, you, like them, will still benefiting from the CT's engineering skills when you buy this re-casted piece.

So go on then, tell me if you can, why is buying from Rassilon now so different?

LeAngeSolitaire

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johnny5676

who cares, i mean really, how is any of this new. Others have tried to make this sonic, and the "Bull Dog" as rassilon the first calls him, post on his twitter mocking the individual who is trying to build this. The builders thread rolls on untill the person seems to be a threat, then he posts on his precious little blog insulting the individual. sure it was funny at first then there was the qmx fiasco, and now this.

Are there simmilarities yes, as for the end cap you can say the same for this one

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we are all here to learn, so everyone shut the frak up and please please let this thread resume

LeAngeSolitaire

Those were all done by Designworks on behalf of the licencees.

Rassilon

There can only be one, isn’t that right LeAngeSolitaire

LeAngeSolitaire

One what?

johnny5676

yes, but the end cap looks similar, how do we not know that this is where rassilons design came from?

LeAngeSolitaire

I doubt it. Those toys look like a totally different lineage. They are a straighter cone shape and lack the curvature seen in the props or the CT.

johnny5676

not on the one that came with the vortex manipulator

LeAngeSolitaire

Which one is that?

greatwazoo42

That would be the one that came with the vortex manipulator, duh!

Anakin Starkiller

This pics actually shows things from CT's sonic cap that do not match on Rasilon's. First off on Rassilon's design, the teeth are definatley longer than on CT's design. The nub on the end of Rassilon's cap is shorter than on CT's cap. And Rassilon's sonic cap is made to slide much farther onto the aluminum connector piece than the CT cap. I can't see that CT and Rassilon's end caps are any more similar than CT's and the Aztec end cap or Rassilon's and the Aztec cap. The teeth on the Aztec cap in this picture seem to match the teeth in Rassilon's design, but not CT's and the end nub on the Aztec cap seems about the same lenth of the end nub on CT's cap, but not Rassilon's. And the curve of the CT and Rassilon sonic does look somewhat similar. But then again curve on the Aztec sonic would look about the same if it wasn't being elongated by being shown at a different angle from the other two. From this pic there are things on each cap that mach the other two and things that don't.

I've studied the various Tennant sonics a lot for my own projects and I can tell you that there was a some variation in the different caps used on the S1, Aztec, and S4 props. Even between the two season 4 props shown on Nick Robatto's webcite, the end caps look slightly different because they were hand machined and finished. I don't see from any of the comparison's posted so far that Rassilon's design is any more similar to CT's sonic in terms of the Emitter head and Sonic cap than it is to any of the screen used pieces.

Dan

Organic Mechanic

Which site was this exactly? I only know of the gentleman being banned from Tardis Builders, and that was for posting his supposedly 'personal project' 3-4 sonic. When it became obvious that he was selling them, the TOS came into play. No member of that site sells any unlicensed replicas (at least none that they are allowed to post there). Plain and simple.

If you are NOT speaking of that site, then I apologize. Otherwise, let's not cast any more undeserved aspersions on the guy.

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Rass, sorry I never got back to you with my plans. The night we were discussing them, I "let the smoke out" of that computer and lost everything, including my models, in the process. (Back ups, back ups, back ups!)

Anakin Starkiller

I'd like to know this too. This is the first I've ever heard of this...

phez

Let's put the actual machined part the is part of the kit (I know it looks nothing like the BullDog so it does not not support the recasting accusation but let's be reasonable here). Quite simply the prongs match up with the Aztec and are not even close to the incorrect short BullDog version. The BulDog end cap is bulbous and does not look like the original, the Rassilon1 is not exact but it is longer, different and closer than the BullDog period.


I think the part of the story that is missing is where is the proxy threats and intimidation are used to scare other board members and worst of all the actual industry professionals that we could all learn something from.

You and your little group of terrorists drove off Neil Gorton (an award winning FX specialist that actually works on DrWho) and Kenney Palkoy (QMX and prop maker from Warehouse13). Both were nice people who were friendly and excited to talk about there projects with there fans (and most of us wanted to listen). Just reiterating this so that anyone new to the thread can understand the loss of real talent to this community that your trash talking has caused so far.

I think johnny5676 speaks for a lot of us that are fed up with your ****.
The people who are following this thread see you guys for exactly what you are, the attack dogs for a banned member that will do whatever is necessary to derail any thread working on a Sonic Screwdriver. Take your recasting allegations to mods or leave the thread. You are not going to do that as you know your proof is bull**** and will not hold up to scrutiny. If you do not like the project do not buy a kit (keep paying 400.00 dollars for Sonics that are so far off from screen used by all of your own admissions (not mine) that you can apparently tell someone is copying it instead of using photos of an original) You are trying to trash a guys reputation with pic's that do not even close to prove you point.

Looks a lot like that top toy in the photo might have recast the BullDog. His end cap looks a lot closer to that than the Rassalon1 does, maybe you better go and investigate that

It does not looks like the person doing the project is going let you pull your usual crap (along with all of the people who are actually here to watch and learn and not fill the thread up with trash) so go away.

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LeAngeSolitaire

I'm no one's attack dog Phez and without meaning to sound like I'm being inflammatory, but most people who are impartial can already see what's going on, and it's not looking great for your Australian friend. Just because you are blind to the obvious doesn't mean to say others are.

phez

Your right, they can, and anyone can look at the comparison pics and tell the difference between those end caps. You guys are playing to your own crowd and that is it.


I am impartial, I can make my own own Sonic's and do not need to buy one from either party (can you say the same?). I am just calling what I see here and what I saw in the other threads exactly like it is. I do not know Rassalon1 and we are not friends, but seeing someone who is doing there own drawings and CNC files trashed to protect the sales of someone who is not a member of this board is just sad. If you believe your fooling anyone with this then please continue. If a CT Sonic was in any way referenced in the start of this project it looks like it is not there in the machined parts.

LeAngeSolitaire

I don't agree. I can see that two of the caps are more similar to each other than they are to the third. If it was only that one similarity I don't think anyone will argue. The issue is that there are 7 other similarities that CT listed. I don't always agree with the guy but in this case I think he has a genuine beef. A few Pages back you said something I totally agreed with, that was to see the finished product. Rassilon should change his design to make it closer, as you said, to the prop and less like the CT. Wise words which would go along way to calming the situation, don't you agree?
But are you? We all know you don't like CT and he doesn't like you. Unless you're totally not human, that automatically changes how you view anything he writes irrespective of merit. Would you feel the same way if it was someone like Rylo making these accusations?

phez

I think I misspoke on my comment, anyone who has studied that part enough to make it can see major differences between the Rassalon1 and the CT and the rassalon1 looks closer to the Aztec than it does the CT. From looking at the pic's the CT is stubby and rounded (very distinct) and the Rassalon1 is longer with straighter angles.


I do not read the guys website so I am looking at the information posted here (which is where it should be if the claims are being made here).


Let me revisit my words on this for clarity , I did not then and still do not think it looks like a CT. I think he should keep studying reference and tweaking until it looks correct to him.



You are mistaken, I do not take internet battles serious enough to actually dislike someone. As I stated in an earlier post I think both of these guys are skilled engineers. I do however get pissed off when the actions of an individual (or group) spoils the opportunity to learn and exchange ideas with other builders and collectors (especially people who work on the shows). This board is about those interactions and trashing someones thread without even giving them a chance to complete a prototype is not fair. Others are following this thread and are interested in the process. This thread (like the others) was fun until all of the accusations and attacks started.

How about doing just like you said in your post, wait until we see the final prototype before trashing anymore of the thread. Rassalon1 seems to take suggestions from people and make tweaks and post new images. It seems we are on the same page with that no? Lets see where it ends up, my bet is nothing like a CT but we will see.

LeAngeSolitaire

Maybe you should as he's the one pointing the finger and he has set his stall out pretty convincingly in my view.


My sentiments entirely.



But you do let that irritation affect how you view the words of the person you deem responsible for that irritation. It must do or you wouldn't be human. You'll be a Vulcan.




Totally. But I do think Rassilon1 should stop behaving like a naughty child who has been caught doing something he shouldn't. It doesn't do him any favours.

phez

Alright, you can't say this guy is guilty but I don't have my proof on me it's over there .


The guy seemed well mannered before people started accusing him of recasting so my guess is that if it stops until he can show his final piece the thread will become productive again.


I guess I am a bit cynical but I honestly believe the attacks will continue before the project is complete (they always have). I think the entire goal is to derail the thread so the kit does not cut into CT sales (whatever the issue of the day might be is incidental) but maybe I am wrong. I guess we will see.

LeAngeSolitaire

If you choose to look at it that way, then no one is stopping you. I just happen to think that pointing you in the direction of the proof is preferable to copying and pasting a profanity laden piece from a banned member which would be a pretty good way of getting banned, don't you think? Whether it's over there or over here is not really relevant as long as it exists and is accessible to whoever wants to read it. By the same token if you choose not to read it, you cannot say the claims are without merit because it is not spoon fed to you here.


So why did he edit his posts, change his design and avoid all questions regarding the striking similarities and start giving Asp9mm abuse by PM? CT is not currently selling any sonics so your cynicism has no basis. He has publicly said he doesn't care about this build so long as it is not copied from his and any similarities that were are changed. That to me seems perfectly reasonable.